https://t.co/ACbTNQBIE2Retweeted Charles Murray (@charlesmurray):
What’s the word when a woman explains something to a man without being asked?
Source date (UTC): 2016-12-02 21:48:00 UTC
https://t.co/ACbTNQBIE2Retweeted Charles Murray (@charlesmurray):
What’s the word when a woman explains something to a man without being asked?
Source date (UTC): 2016-12-02 21:48:00 UTC
November 27, 2016 · by · in Uncategorized · Leave a comment
Now if you ask me, this movement is heading no where. Why? Because Curt and propertarians speak in very technical terms so it’s almost unintelligible for the average person to understand. Well, of course, how many of the branches of mathematics, branches of the sciences, logics, and analytic philosophies are easy for the average person to understand? None. Right? Why, if the entire libertarian movement can’t seem to grasp the relationship between the Darwinian revolution’s use of scientific criticism to determine survival of an argument, and the pre-Darwinian theological use of rational justification to determine conformity of an argument to scripture, then why would the members of the libertarian movement grasp the post-empirical use of operationalism (praxeology) for testing of existential possibility, and the full accounting of costs (broken window fallacy). Why would it be surprising that Mises discovered the technique of operationalism or intuitionism (tests of existential possibility) in economics, but because he didn’t understand what he had discovered, he created an anti-scientific pseudoscience dependent upon justification? Why would Mises, from his cultural background in his region of the world, unlike Menger from his western neighbor’s culture, rely upon “Pilpul” in his desperate attempt to find a way to refute the Marxist pseudoscientists who had also used “Pilpul” under the name “Dialectical Materialism”? So the average reader of your site by now can grasp, quite easily, entirely intuitively, the difference in structure and content of what I write and the structure and content of what you right. The difference is that they will probably have to go look up some of my terms, and maybe use wikipedia to understand some of my references. But the point is this: trickle-down-ideas are produced by the higher intellectual classes for consumption of the lower intellectual classes, and restatement by the lower intellectual classes for use in rallying their members, and those directly beneath them. It’s not just material inventions that work their way down from the upper class consumer to the lower class consumer over time: information is one of those products that trickles down through the market for arguments and ideas. So now, lets continue: You’ll never create a movement with such a complex ideology, it’s not appealing. But regardless, it doesn’t mean we should complete ignore it, so enjoy this criticism of the so called “philosophy of truth telling”. Well, you have to study the law for years and pass the bar. Since Propertarianism is an internally consistent (logical) and externally correspondent (empirical) and existentially possible (operational), and morally consistent (reciprocal), that defines its own scope (full accounting, limits, and parsimony), restatement of Law, then it shouldn’t be surprising that (a) it takes a lawyer’s IQ and effort to master it, and (b) a not insignificant amount of time, and (c) must be ‘simplified’ for consumption by the lower classes with new, simple, general rules, and (d) that simple general rules for average people must be defensible by scientific arguments for more advanced people. I understand completely that some people adopt propertarianism at first because it simply ‘feels right somehow’ or ‘rings true’. I understand that many of the people it ‘rings true’ to have progressed from classical liberals, to libertarians, to anarcho-capitalists, to neo-reactionaries, before they arrive at Propertarianism and they have enough of a basic understanding of the issues of ethics and politics for it to ‘ring true’. And I understand that many people grasp the basic argument that “Truth is Enough”, and that revolution is our only solution. And others grasp the historical and rational argument as an accurate reflection of human rational incentives. And a very few grasp the advances in the scientific method. And fewer grasp the more advanced bits of epistemology. But I also understand it is not my job to write a ‘dummies guide’ to Propertarianism – and that it’s going to be the job of others. Others who are frankly more qualified to empathize with the common man. Common men vote, and if inspired will revolt. Intellectuals create excuses for all the classes to demand revolution, and bring it into being if them must.Propertarianism is a formal logic of morality, ethics and politics – and the necessary basis for a non-arbitrary, value-independent, universal, body of law. One in which any and all political orders can be constructed; and with which all questions of morality, ethics and politics are commensurable and all moral ethical and political propositions are decidable. Propertarianism supplies the missing logic – the logic of cooperation.
Actually I restate the entire movement: Operationalism in science, Intuitionism in Mathematics, Operationism in Psychology, Praxeology in Social Science, as errors under justificationism, but as necessary as forms of criticism (testing for survival) under Critical Rationalism: what we today call, the Philosophy of Science, or the Scientific Method. Operationalism tests whether a cause and effect relationship is possible to be brought into existence by human actions as a means of avoiding the frailty of the human mind. Just as empiricism tests whether an human observation consistently corresponds with measurements as a means of avoiding the frailty of the human mind. Just as logic tests whether relations between sets are consistent as a means of avoiding the frailty of the human mind. Just as identity (categories) tests against existency, substitution and conflation in our terms as a means of avoiding the frailty of the human mind. In moral norms you justify your actions as adhering to norms. In the law you justify your actions as adhering to the law. In theological terms, you justify your actions as adhering to scripture. Because norms, the law, and scripture are all instances of man-made involuntary contracts for participation in the in-group (tribe, society or polity). They are the price of entry into the utility of group cooperation.So unlike justification in adherence to contracts (excuse making against human rules) which accommodates human frailty, criticism in the discovery of truth (survival against dimensions of reality) asks us to perform due diligence against each dimension of reality: identity, logical, empirical, operational, reciprocal(moral), and scope (scale of action), and to warranty to one another we do not speak with error, bias, or deceit.So the rest of your post that criticizes operationalism, criticizes Mises, Brouwer, Bridgman, and others for their failure to grasp that tests of existential possibility do not Justify a statement, they test only whether it survives the criticism of existential possibility by the consistent use of operational language as a barrier to errors of subjectivity and intent. In other words, you are criticizing them and not me. Why? Because you had (and maybe still don’t have) an understanding of the great change in human thought that the transformation of human emphasis from the internal group contracts to the external world’s laws of nature when western man broke free of his dependence upon human scale, and expanded his ideas from beyond his kin and neighbors, to the entire planet of humans across all tribes and cultures, and to the microscopic universe, and the the macroscopic universe.When we made that change, we required our thinking to change. And justificationism is an artifact of the theological era of human scale, and criticism is the solution to the scientific era of post-human scale.So we can cancel the following errors:
Logical positivists culled from Ludwig Wittgenstein’s early philosophy of language the verifiability principle or criterion of meaningfulness. As in Ernst Mach’s phenomenalism, whereby the mind can know only actual or potential sensory experience, verificationists took all sciences’ basic content to be only sensory experience. And some influence came from Percy Bridgman’s musings that others proclaimed as operationalism, whereby a physical theory is understood by what laboratory procedures scientists perform to test its predictions…A scientific theory would be stated with its method of verification, whereby a logical calculus or empirical operation could verify its falsity or truth.
Right now, if you are calling yourself both an Austrian and a Propertarian, stop because you’re a walking contradiction. Everyone knows that an uncompromising tenant of Austrian economics is methodological subjectivism. Except you seem to not grasp that methodological subjectivism and praxeology are statements of operationalism: tests of existential possibility. Right? But do you understand that they just TEST whether statements CAN be true, they don’t tell us if our reasoning is EXCLUSIVELY true. In other words, there are often many rational roads to Rome (any decision). Nor does methodological individualism address the problem of full accounting (broken window fallacy or Opportunity Costs), and as such is an instance of cherry-picking (excuse making) if it doesn’t. So you see, I am rescuing Menger’s Austrian Economics from Mises’ Ukrainian Economics. Just as I am rescuing Anglo Saxon Indo-european sovereignty, and the liberty that sovereign men grand to non-sovereign men, from Rothbard’s Ukrainian-Russian Separatist Libertinism (parasitism upon the commons). So now let’s correct your statement: “You are either an Austrian and a Propertarian demanding Sovereignty, or you are a Ukrainian-Russian Pretender to Austrianism and a Rothbardian Pretender to Liberty.” Whether you’re Hayekian or Misesian, the explanation of economic phenomena lies with the subjective preferences and purposeful choices by individuals with the knowledge they have at hand. And as a consequence all choice exists in a reality in which others with opposing propositions do the same, and within a body of manners, ethics, morals, norms, laws, traditions, which allow them to retaliate against you by a range of means that varies from counter-signals to ostracization from opportunity to punishment to expulsion, to death. And it is THEY who determine your imposition of costs upon them – not you. Your belief or choice is irrelevant. The purpose of law has been to standarize punishments across clan tribe and nation in order to prevent retaliation cycles, and therefore preserve the benefits of cooperation. So, individualism can TEST whether an action is rational or not. It allows us to DISPROVE a false statemetn of social science – including economics. But it is not sufficient to account for all costs of any action and the consequential reactions. It does not demand from you a ‘full accounting’ of costs. So just as the NAP is a lie by half-truth because it does not specify against WHAT we may not aggress. Methodological individualism is a lie because it is a half truth that does not ask us to fully account for the consequences of our actions. It is probably not obvious that as a group evolutionary strategy, the purpose of Misesian and Rothbardian Thought is to preserve Separatism by obtaining the benefits of participating in the market of a people without paying the costs of creating and maintaining that market. One can seal through raiding (islamic expansion). One can steal through thievery (gypsies), or one can steal through free riding on the commons (separatists). Or one can steal through disinformation (Marxists/Postmodernists). Human groups excel at doing anything other than PRODUCING. Because the market is hard work. Every Austrian; Mises, Hayek, Machlup, Rothbard, Lachmann, you name it opposes the use of operationalism in economic science and rightfully so. And I’m astonished how no one has critiqued Doolittle on this. Until now of course. I know the people who are capable of it you know. 🙂 The reason they haven’t critiqued me is (a) I haven’t published and they won’t do so until then, which is their ethic. (b) because I haven’t published and my public work consists of thousands of 1000 word posts that document my progress over the years, they aren’t going to invest time in weeding through it, (c) the people at MI are afraid of me because in no small part they know they are wrong. (d) because they know they are wrong they don’t want to grant me credibility (e) the alt right is a discrediting force and they can’t figure if I’m with the alt right or something else. (I’m not a member of the alt right). That said, I have seen hoppe’s writing shift in response. Although i suspect it’s to do with the shift in the worldthat I’m also responding to more so than any influence on my part. We all swim in the same intellectual ocean.
Utility theory, in all of its various renditions, characterized the consumer as an intentional and purposive economic agent; the individual was believed to be a certain way-have subjective preferences and/or a utility function-and while these characteristics could be used to predict certain observational behaviors of the agent, these preferences were not themselves given an operational definition and were thus not scientifically meaningful. One solution, and the one that the profession eventually settled on, was to use Samuelson’s revealed preference theory as a technique for uncovering these intentional preferences, but that was not Samuelson’s original project. His original argument was that since utility and related preference concepts were not operationally defined, they were not observational and thus had no place in scientific economics
But the economy is NOT a self organizing system. Else western high trust economies would be common place instead of unique. Instead, every society has rigid manners, ethics, morals, norms, laws, traditions and institutions. Why? Because man is not moral, he is merely rational. He chooses the moral when its in his interests and the immoral when its in his interests, and he makes increasingly creative excuses for his immorality at every scale, the personal, the political, and the intellectual. So all human societies incrementally suppress whatever forms of parasitism that they can, by whatever means they can, in order to deny people choices other than the market for production of goods, services, and information. And the fact that we have so much crime in the world is evidence that the market is NOT self organizing, but that it was an intentional construct of alliances of powerful families just as malls are the declining iteration of markets, just as big box retailers followed malls, and just as the internet is following big box retailers. Markets are made by the organize application of violence to prevent the alternatives. Yes markets are an incentive, but they are an incredible incentive for fraud, thievery, raiding, and war as well. The market is made. The networks of production distribution and trade within them self organize. So this is another deception by suggestion – a half truth for consumption by useful idiots.
Curt says:Human action, unlike the movement of stones, is motivated… In physics, the facts of nature are given to us. They may be broken down into their simple elements in the laboratory and their movements observed. On the other hand, we do not know the laws explaining the movements of physical particles; they are unmotivated. We must therefore seek causes by hypothecating general theories, and from these axioms be able to deduce not only the original facts, but other theories which can be directly tested by fact (the famous concept of “operational meaning”). As much as we may progress in the knowledge of the laws of physics, our knowledge is never absolute, since the laws may always be revised by more general laws and through further empirical testing In economics, however, the conditions are almost reversed. Here we know the cause, for human action, unlike the movement of stones, is motivated. Therefore, we may build economics on the basis of axioms — such as the existence of human action and the logical implications of action — which are originally known as true. From these axioms we can deduce step by step, therefore, laws which are also known as true.
He is half right here and what I mean by that is that he’s right to assert analysis of economic phenomena should be empirical, but he’s wrong that all of economics should. Hayek [5]states that:So economics not only isn’t deducible from human action, it’s not. Because we have too many phenomena that we have discovered in economics that aren’t deducible, stickiness of prices wasn’t deducible. However, it’s explainable. You can make any observation you want in mathematics or physics, but unless you can demonstrate it operationally, you haven’t conducted an existence proof.
But I don’t say that right? I say that it isn’t ONLY deducible from subjective analysis. We can operationally construct by subjective analysis a theory and then empirically test it. We can empirically observe a phenomenon then subjectively attempt to construct it. But if we do not do BOTH of them, then we have not tested either the constructed theory or the observed phenomenon. So again, we see, that the Ukrainian-Russians rely upon a half truth while claiming it’s a whole truth. And you will find that this technique which combines loading, framing, overloading, and Suggestion by half-truths, forcing you to substitute a moral completion of that truth, is an effort by the Ukrainan-Russians to create a moral hazard which can be later seized for profit, while claiming it’s an accident when really it was a hazard and you were intellectually (politically, financially) baited and trapped. it is this technique that allows magicians to fool you, as well as Pilpul to fool you as well as most of the Cosmopolitan thought to fool you, whether a member of the Marxist working class, libertine merchant class, or neo-conservative martial class.Hopefully by now I should have made some progress in rescuing you from their deception. It’s not your fault. it’s a very successful technique. It’s worked for thousands of years.
Further, Fritz Machlup [6] on the difference between the natural and social science is that:From the fact that whenever we interpret human action as in any sense purposive or meaningful, whether we do so in ordinary life or for the purposes of the social sciences, we have to define both the objects of human activity and the different kinds of actions themselves, not in physical terms but in terms of the opinions or intentions of the acting persons, there follow some very important consequences; namely, nothing less than that we can, from the concepts of the objects, analytically conclude something about what the actions will be. If we define an object in terms of a person’s attitude toward it, it follows, of course, that the definition of the object implies a statement about the attitude of the person toward the thing. When we say that a person possesses food or money, or that he utters a word, we imply that he knows that the first can be eaten, that the second can be used to buy something with, and that the third can be understood — and perhaps many other things.
Machlup adopts the principle of verstehen (subjective interpretation), but he argues that subjective experience must be taken into consideration but shouldn’t be infallible. In Popperian terms, it should be falsifiable, something Mises disagrees with. Further Machlup (and Hayek) goes against Mises once more by applying praxeology in a third person point of view rather than the first person view taken by Misesian-Rothbardians. This is third person, falsifiable approach is why the Hayekians empirically analyze economic phenomena. So how is this at odds with Propertarianism? Let’s examine what Curt is saying more carefully. For one, he’s explicitly rejecting deductive reasoning, and secondly he’s endorsing verificationism. In the video, he endorses Bridgman’s operationalism saying in the mind of Bridgman:‘man is both observer and subject of observer’… in the latter the facts, the data of observation, are themselves result of interpretations of human actions by human actors. And this imposes on the social sciences a requirement that does not exist in the natural sciences, that all types of action that are used… be ‘understandable’… in the sense that we could conceive of sensible men acting (sometimes at least) in the way postulated by the ideal type in question
You simply misunderstand the difference between the words PROOF and TRUTH. The vulgar language (common vernacular) doesn’t distinguish. But mathematicians construct proofs not truths. What is a proof? A proof is a demonstration of possibility. What is truthful? Your testimony that a statement corresponds to reality. So you can construct a proof (test of internal consistency) and promise that your proof is true ( you will also find it will correspond to reality). It’s not like truth is a trivial concept. It’s been debated for millennia. But platonism dies hard. In the case of mathematics, platonism is everywhere. Curt likes to dance around the word verification but when we look at what Percy was arguing things become a lot more clear, from “On Scientific Method”[7]: Actually it’s because justificationism, and verificationism, are moral and theological tests, not truth tests. But hopefully I’ve made that point so far. If not, lets state it clearly: In science, the language of truth, all theories (descriptions) are forever hypothetical, and all recipes (sequences of operations that survive are true). There are no non-reductio ‘true’ premises from which we can construct deductions. There are only not-yet-false premises. Egro, we can never claim something is true. Instead we can only claim we have done due diligence against falsehoood: ignorance, error, bias, and deceit. Let’s repeat that so it sticks in.There’s no harm in mathematics for using all these verbal contrivances because they actually represent provable, in most cases, provable operations
Doolittle’s methodology is that of logical positivists: operationalism, verficiationism, and inductive reasoning. And so from this, it is Curt who’s embracing a pseudoscience as logical positivism and Percy’s operationalism has been debunked by Karl Popper and has been completely disregarded in modern philosophy. I think I have pretty thoroughly debunked this argument by now. I won’t repeat myself other than to say that Propertarianism’s Testimonialism IS AN EXTENSION OF CRITICAL RATIONALISM’S ADOPTION OF FALSIFICATION. Popper debunked logical positivism by pointing out the problem of induction. In positivism verificationism relies on induction so for example, if a1=b,a2=b, a3=b, …. ax=b, then all a’s = b. It seems intuitively true. Put it another way, Popper said if a white swan exists therefore there exists an x such that x is a swan, and x is white. Induction takes this existential statement and turns it into a universal one by saying all swans are white. But obviously the existence of one non-white swan proves this theory wrong. And just to add insult to injury, since the heart of Positivism is the verification principle. If only statements that can be “verified” are “meaningful” and, therefore, true then verification principle, itself, can’t be verified. And with this, the instrumentalism he also endorses is already debunked so we don’t need to get into that. But if you want click here for Popper’s critique of that. Instrumentalism in the common sense is not as I use it: it refers to the fact that we use instruments both logical and physical to extend our perception and reduce the imperceptible to that which is perceptible and subjectively testable. Again. Wiki is your friend sometimes, and your enemy others. I have been forced to ‘correct’ quite a few terms that we’ve inherited from the past. Not the least of which that most quote ‘numbers’ are in fact existentially possible only as functions. But that’s another discussion altogether.Now if the answer to the problem is correct there must be some way of knowing and proving that it is correct–the very meaning of truth implies the possibility of checking or verification.
When subjected to the scrutiny of professional philosophers, however, Bridgman’s ideas were soon exposed as unsystematic and undeveloped, as he freely admitted himself. Moreover, it became evident that his ideas did not help logical positivists solve the key problems that they were struggling with. After the initial fascination, the standard positivist (and post-positivist) reaction to operationalism was disappointment, and operationalism was often seen as a failed philosophy that did not live up to its promises. [8]
OK, so now we’ve debunked the first criticism. Lets move onto the second.Interviewed in the late 1970s, A J Ayer (a logical positivist) supposed that “the most important” defect [of logical positivism] “was that nearly all of it was false”. [9]
The next fundamental concept of propertarianism is the “imposition of costs”, that is if society sees something as an imposing a cost then it is. No. It says only that if values differ, it is still possible to decide disputes by analysis of the costs imposed. Secondly, “property exists prior to cooperation… Property is not an absolute. The imposition of costs is. Property rights are constrained by the reality of temporal existence, and the prohibition on the imposition of costs upon others.”[10] Property serves to avoid conflict between individuals so that cooperation is cultivated instead. Something is demonstrated to be property when it’s being defended by individuals or groups.Demonstrated Property, or Property-en-Toto, refers to the property that humans demonstrate a propensity to retaliate against the imposition of costs upon.
At the time I was trying to write in concert with Buttler Schaeffer’s work, but I’ve abandoned that approach. He states that property exists prior to cooperation, but that’s a terminological mistake – and I fell into it also. So instead, Possession exists prior to cooperation. Property exists within cooperation. And Property Rights exist under the protection of a third party insurer against whom we can claim an infringement. As far as I know that series survives all criticism.
Your confusing normative property and decidable property. For the purpose of producing a fully decidable natural law, we can define property empirically across all normative portfolios, rendering all disputes decidable. I think what might be tripping you up is this concept: That the west was not first, but evolved faster than the other civilizations in all aspects of life, because the law could adapt faster, because it was more decidable, because it was more correspondent with reality, because westerners had invented what we call ‘truth’ today (correspondence), and benefitted from that normative tradition for the entirety of our existence. So the closer one’s law is to natural law the greater the suppression of parasitism, the hither the trust, the higher the risk tolerance, the more economic, scientific, and intellectual velocity. So I think you’re model of ‘selfishness’ (individualism) is a form of cherry picking. None of the thinkers say it was an exclusive good. Its a good because it produces cumulative effects as well as personal effects. That means its a “good” only so much as it externalizes no “bad”. Again, just like in methodology Doolittle does not shy away from scientism when it comes to ethics. A blogger that goes by the alias says:Thus, this entire definition allows for humanity to empirically, as opposed to normatively, discover exactly what we should consider to be property. [11]
Well if you mean truth telling of an extreme kind I’ll agree with you. But until you can refute the need for all warranties of due diligence in order to claim a truth statement, and therefore be insulated from retaliation for the consequences of your utterances, I don’t think you have anything more to say. 😉 You don’t choose who retaliates against you and why, they do. You don’t choose the standard units of measure, those who do the measuring do. You don’t choose the law, those who practice it do. I am giving people moral and legal license (justification) to retaliate against people who do not warranty their statements in the commons (the market). My belief is that this will be as profound an impact on the pseudosciences (the left), as empiricism was upon the church. The law is a sufficient vehicle for suppression of murder, theft, and fraud against private, shareholder, and commons; and the involuntary warranty of products, goods, and now INFORMATION that is brought to market. There is no need for ideology when we have natural law in defense of information. Curt again tries to extend (the universally denounce) method of operationalism to ethics and runs into several important problems. For one thing, Doolittle categorizes says that the existence of right and wrong only exist in a polity that’s preserving voluntary cooperation and low transaction costs, ibid:The issue is really one that Propertarianism and pretty much everything put forward under the wing of Propertarianism is basically Scientism of a really extreme kind
Secondly, propertarianism use of descriptive ethics means it doesn’t say what ethics should be just what they are. Yes it does. It says that ethics merely exist, and that we can contactually bend them for our group evolutionary strategies. But that those who are more objectively ethical will produce greater rewards and therefore superior genetic, cultural, and economic competition. This holds a boatload of problems because Doolittle wants to ensure that costs are minimized by not disrupting cultural norms. Things like slavery, which at a time in history was both a norm and imposed a tremendous social and economic cost on southerners in the US, could be morally okay. Ok the rest of this is nonsense because I state just the opposite: that an immoral norm can be brought to court by anyone and overthrown by an appeal to natural law. This is, after all, the original premise of the US constitution. And the errors in the constitution were largely permitted to persist slavery. Thirdly, if an injustice like slavery exists, how would one rectify it without going against cultural norms and imposing a cost on society? How does morality progress towards what is truly right or wrong? I don’t see that possible under Doolittle’s paradigm, anything goes as long as the majority agrees But more importantly, he is just rehashing positivism with a different set of terms, I don’t need to go that much further with criticism because a lot of it we’ve already addressed. And because all this what is used to justify the need for a “commons“, this makes it already debunked. So I think I have debunked all this pretty much and its beating a dead horse.This is not talking about people. This is talking about liberal individuals within the social contract theory paradigm of liberalism. The idea that individuals within a society participate voluntarily is complete gibberish. At what point do I voluntarily co-operate? At birth? At conception? When? As for the idea that all society is merely in place for low transaction cost etc, this is a grand philosophical statement in which he is seemingly trying to say society operates for collective good via market jargon, but if you reject the social contract liberal individual, it is meaningless.
If that’s the case, I’m totally supportive of society having one although a name change would be preferable. But for Instagram propertarians, aristocracy is more broadly defined. Many do not make a certain distinction between a natural (meritocratic) aristocracy versus a hereditary one, in fact many are self declared monarchists so it is hard to tell if they’re misreading Doolittle (or maybe Doolittle contradicts himself in a post I haven’t seen yet that could be the cause of this confusion). But even when they do, hereditary aristocracy is still never denounced. Natural Law and Rule of Law. Monarchy refers to private ownership of the institutions by which the market for the production of commons is conducted, just as mall ownership refers to the building in which the market for consumption is conducted. there isn’t any difference except the scale of the territory and population. The difference is that under natural law, that monarch is merely a judge of last resort. He has no POSITIVE power other than the use of his wealth to create moral (legal) commons, and the pulpit of his position to advocate moral (natural law) objectives for the people. Hereditary incentives to accumulate rather than expropriate capital are superior to all alternatives. Our problem today is that this market has a lot of room for innumerate an pseudoscientific fraud. Hence propertarianism. If a market for commons exists, and it is limited to contracts under natural law, then de facto the most meritocratic will rule in the sense that they can influnece most which commons are produced. But as they are limited by natural law, they cannot produce immoral commons. Our problem today is that this market has a lot of room for innumerate an pseudoscientific fraud. Hence propertarianism. If a market for goods, services, and information exists, it is limited to contracts under natural law. Our problem today is that this market has a lot of room for innumerate an pseudoscientific fraud. Hence propertarianism. Take for instance Sebastian and Nick Martinez. Both have explicitly endorsed a natural aristocracy yet they’ve both explicitly praised the feudalist aristocrats and monarchs of the medieval ages. Even more absurdly Sebastian endorses a hereditary monarchy at the same time:[Aristocracy] means rule by meritocracy. So one is a member of the aristocracy as long as one joins the franchise and demonstrates his merit. Now, that is different from saying ‘nobility‘. Aristocracy is not synonymous with nobility. Although some abuse the terms and confuse ‘aristocrat’ with ‘nobility’ this is merely an error.
(My criticism of Sebastian post can be read here and on a nobility of hereditary aristocrats/monarchs here)This parasitic activity in which people try to get rich off politics may be common practice in democratic systems, but not so under monarchy. In a hereditary monarchic system, you have someone ruling who has been educated and trained from birth to lead his country. By the propertarian definition of property (property en toto), which is anything that one can demonstrate a propensity to retaliate against the imposition of costs upon, the nation is the property of the king and he treats it as such. Not only is the king the best man for the job, but he has a vested interest in bettering the country.
But the solution to this (again according to Sebastian) is that each state governs themselves and doesn’t interfere with the other. If that’s the case, then there can be no natural aristocracy at all because social mobility would be nearly impossible. Why? Because if each estate is only governing their respective members, then that means they can do determine who can be one of their members. The aristocrats are obviously not gonna want their estate to expand because that would dilute their power, they’re gonna keep an oligarchy. And the king, who is the most successful aristocrat, yet importantly is also an inherited aristocrat, he’s going to make sure his family remains and power shun out competing factions. And this is not just intuitive, it’s been the historic case of centuries of monarchial-feudalism. Also I find it a bit incoherent that an ideology based on logical positivism uses a Hegelian dialectic.Soon enough the American Revolution began in 1776 and ended in 1783 with the formation of the most successful constitutional republic the world had ever seen. This started a sort of chain reaction in western society. In 1815 there were 55 monarchies in Europe and 9 republics. By 2015 there 12 Monarchies, most of which have gone through massive democratic reform, and 35 republics.
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Now if you ask me, this movement is heading no where. Why? Because Curt and propertarians speak in very technical terms so it’s almost unintelligible for the average person to understand. Well, of course, how many of the branches of mathematics, branches of the sciences, logics, and analytic philosophies are easy for the average person to understand? None. Right? Why, if the entire libertarian movement can’t seem to grasp the relationship between the Darwinian revolution’s use of scientific criticism to determine survival of an argument, and the pre-Darwinian theological use of rational justification to determine conformity of an argument to scripture, then why would the members of the libertarian movement grasp the post-empirical use of operationalism (praxeology) for testing of existential possibility, and the full accounting of costs (broken window fallacy). Why would it be surprising that Mises discovered the technique of operationalism or intuitionism (tests of existential possibility) in economics, but because he didn’t understand what he had discovered, he created an anti-scientific pseudoscience dependent upon justification? Why would Mises, from his cultural background in his region of the world, unlike Menger from his western neighbor’s culture, rely upon “Pilpul” in his desperate attempt to find a way to refute the Marxist pseudoscientists who had also used “Pilpul” under the name “Dialectical Materialism”? So the average reader of your site by now can grasp, quite easily, entirely intuitively, the difference in structure and content of what I write and the structure and content of what you right. The difference is that they will probably have to go look up some of my terms, and maybe use wikipedia to understand some of my references. But the point is this: trickle-down-ideas are produced by the higher intellectual classes for consumption of the lower intellectual classes, and restatement by the lower intellectual classes for use in rallying their members, and those directly beneath them. It’s not just material inventions that work their way down from the upper class consumer to the lower class consumer over time: information is one of those products that trickles down through the market for arguments and ideas. So now, lets continue: You’ll never create a movement with such a complex ideology, it’s not appealing. But regardless, it doesn’t mean we should complete ignore it, so enjoy this criticism of the so called “philosophy of truth telling”. Well, you have to study the law for years and pass the bar. Since Propertarianism is an internally consistent (logical) and externally correspondent (empirical) and existentially possible (operational), and morally consistent (reciprocal), that defines its own scope (full accounting, limits, and parsimony), restatement of Law, then it shouldn’t be surprising that (a) it takes a lawyer’s IQ and effort to master it, and (b) a not insignificant amount of time, and (c) must be ‘simplified’ for consumption by the lower classes with new, simple, general rules, and (d) that simple general rules for average people must be defensible by scientific arguments for more advanced people. I understand completely that some people adopt propertarianism at first because it simply ‘feels right somehow’ or ‘rings true’. I understand that many of the people it ‘rings true’ to have progressed from classical liberals, to libertarians, to anarcho-capitalists, to neo-reactionaries, before they arrive at Propertarianism and they have enough of a basic understanding of the issues of ethics and politics for it to ‘ring true’. And I understand that many people grasp the basic argument that “Truth is Enough”, and that revolution is our only solution. And others grasp the historical and rational argument as an accurate reflection of human rational incentives. And a very few grasp the advances in the scientific method. And fewer grasp the more advanced bits of epistemology. But I also understand it is not my job to write a ‘dummies guide’ to Propertarianism – and that it’s going to be the job of others. Others who are frankly more qualified to empathize with the common man. Common men vote, and if inspired will revolt. Intellectuals create excuses for all the classes to demand revolution, and bring it into being if them must.Propertarianism is a formal logic of morality, ethics and politics – and the necessary basis for a non-arbitrary, value-independent, universal, body of law. One in which any and all political orders can be constructed; and with which all questions of morality, ethics and politics are commensurable and all moral ethical and political propositions are decidable. Propertarianism supplies the missing logic – the logic of cooperation.
Actually I restate the entire movement: Operationalism in science, Intuitionism in Mathematics, Operationism in Psychology, Praxeology in Social Science, as errors under justificationism, but as necessary as forms of criticism (testing for survival) under Critical Rationalism: what we today call, the Philosophy of Science, or the Scientific Method. Operationalism tests whether a cause and effect relationship is possible to be brought into existence by human actions as a means of avoiding the frailty of the human mind. Just as empiricism tests whether an human observation consistently corresponds with measurements as a means of avoiding the frailty of the human mind. Just as logic tests whether relations between sets are consistent as a means of avoiding the frailty of the human mind. Just as identity (categories) tests against existency, substitution and conflation in our terms as a means of avoiding the frailty of the human mind. In moral norms you justify your actions as adhering to norms. In the law you justify your actions as adhering to the law. In theological terms, you justify your actions as adhering to scripture. Because norms, the law, and scripture are all instances of man-made involuntary contracts for participation in the in-group (tribe, society or polity). They are the price of entry into the utility of group cooperation.So unlike justification in adherence to contracts (excuse making against human rules) which accommodates human frailty, criticism in the discovery of truth (survival against dimensions of reality) asks us to perform due diligence against each dimension of reality: identity, logical, empirical, operational, reciprocal(moral), and scope (scale of action), and to warranty to one another we do not speak with error, bias, or deceit.So the rest of your post that criticizes operationalism, criticizes Mises, Brouwer, Bridgman, and others for their failure to grasp that tests of existential possibility do not Justify a statement, they test only whether it survives the criticism of existential possibility by the consistent use of operational language as a barrier to errors of subjectivity and intent. In other words, you are criticizing them and not me. Why? Because you had (and maybe still don’t have) an understanding of the great change in human thought that the transformation of human emphasis from the internal group contracts to the external world’s laws of nature when western man broke free of his dependence upon human scale, and expanded his ideas from beyond his kin and neighbors, to the entire planet of humans across all tribes and cultures, and to the microscopic universe, and the the macroscopic universe.When we made that change, we required our thinking to change. And justificationism is an artifact of the theological era of human scale, and criticism is the solution to the scientific era of post-human scale.So we can cancel the following errors:
Logical positivists culled from Ludwig Wittgenstein’s early philosophy of language the verifiability principle or criterion of meaningfulness. As in Ernst Mach’s phenomenalism, whereby the mind can know only actual or potential sensory experience, verificationists took all sciences’ basic content to be only sensory experience. And some influence came from Percy Bridgman’s musings that others proclaimed as operationalism, whereby a physical theory is understood by what laboratory procedures scientists perform to test its predictions…A scientific theory would be stated with its method of verification, whereby a logical calculus or empirical operation could verify its falsity or truth.
Right now, if you are calling yourself both an Austrian and a Propertarian, stop because you’re a walking contradiction. Everyone knows that an uncompromising tenant of Austrian economics is methodological subjectivism. Except you seem to not grasp that methodological subjectivism and praxeology are statements of operationalism: tests of existential possibility. Right? But do you understand that they just TEST whether statements CAN be true, they don’t tell us if our reasoning is EXCLUSIVELY true. In other words, there are often many rational roads to Rome (any decision). Nor does methodological individualism address the problem of full accounting (broken window fallacy or Opportunity Costs), and as such is an instance of cherry-picking (excuse making) if it doesn’t. So you see, I am rescuing Menger’s Austrian Economics from Mises’ Ukrainian Economics. Just as I am rescuing Anglo Saxon Indo-european sovereignty, and the liberty that sovereign men grand to non-sovereign men, from Rothbard’s Ukrainian-Russian Separatist Libertinism (parasitism upon the commons). So now let’s correct your statement: “You are either an Austrian and a Propertarian demanding Sovereignty, or you are a Ukrainian-Russian Pretender to Austrianism and a Rothbardian Pretender to Liberty.” Whether you’re Hayekian or Misesian, the explanation of economic phenomena lies with the subjective preferences and purposeful choices by individuals with the knowledge they have at hand. And as a consequence all choice exists in a reality in which others with opposing propositions do the same, and within a body of manners, ethics, morals, norms, laws, traditions, which allow them to retaliate against you by a range of means that varies from counter-signals to ostracization from opportunity to punishment to expulsion, to death. And it is THEY who determine your imposition of costs upon them – not you. Your belief or choice is irrelevant. The purpose of law has been to standarize punishments across clan tribe and nation in order to prevent retaliation cycles, and therefore preserve the benefits of cooperation. So, individualism can TEST whether an action is rational or not. It allows us to DISPROVE a false statemetn of social science – including economics. But it is not sufficient to account for all costs of any action and the consequential reactions. It does not demand from you a ‘full accounting’ of costs. So just as the NAP is a lie by half-truth because it does not specify against WHAT we may not aggress. Methodological individualism is a lie because it is a half truth that does not ask us to fully account for the consequences of our actions. It is probably not obvious that as a group evolutionary strategy, the purpose of Misesian and Rothbardian Thought is to preserve Separatism by obtaining the benefits of participating in the market of a people without paying the costs of creating and maintaining that market. One can seal through raiding (islamic expansion). One can steal through thievery (gypsies), or one can steal through free riding on the commons (separatists). Or one can steal through disinformation (Marxists/Postmodernists). Human groups excel at doing anything other than PRODUCING. Because the market is hard work. Every Austrian; Mises, Hayek, Machlup, Rothbard, Lachmann, you name it opposes the use of operationalism in economic science and rightfully so. And I’m astonished how no one has critiqued Doolittle on this. Until now of course. I know the people who are capable of it you know. 🙂 The reason they haven’t critiqued me is (a) I haven’t published and they won’t do so until then, which is their ethic. (b) because I haven’t published and my public work consists of thousands of 1000 word posts that document my progress over the years, they aren’t going to invest time in weeding through it, (c) the people at MI are afraid of me because in no small part they know they are wrong. (d) because they know they are wrong they don’t want to grant me credibility (e) the alt right is a discrediting force and they can’t figure if I’m with the alt right or something else. (I’m not a member of the alt right). That said, I have seen hoppe’s writing shift in response. Although i suspect it’s to do with the shift in the worldthat I’m also responding to more so than any influence on my part. We all swim in the same intellectual ocean.
Utility theory, in all of its various renditions, characterized the consumer as an intentional and purposive economic agent; the individual was believed to be a certain way-have subjective preferences and/or a utility function-and while these characteristics could be used to predict certain observational behaviors of the agent, these preferences were not themselves given an operational definition and were thus not scientifically meaningful. One solution, and the one that the profession eventually settled on, was to use Samuelson’s revealed preference theory as a technique for uncovering these intentional preferences, but that was not Samuelson’s original project. His original argument was that since utility and related preference concepts were not operationally defined, they were not observational and thus had no place in scientific economics
But the economy is NOT a self organizing system. Else western high trust economies would be common place instead of unique. Instead, every society has rigid manners, ethics, morals, norms, laws, traditions and institutions. Why? Because man is not moral, he is merely rational. He chooses the moral when its in his interests and the immoral when its in his interests, and he makes increasingly creative excuses for his immorality at every scale, the personal, the political, and the intellectual. So all human societies incrementally suppress whatever forms of parasitism that they can, by whatever means they can, in order to deny people choices other than the market for production of goods, services, and information. And the fact that we have so much crime in the world is evidence that the market is NOT self organizing, but that it was an intentional construct of alliances of powerful families just as malls are the declining iteration of markets, just as big box retailers followed malls, and just as the internet is following big box retailers. Markets are made by the organize application of violence to prevent the alternatives. Yes markets are an incentive, but they are an incredible incentive for fraud, thievery, raiding, and war as well. The market is made. The networks of production distribution and trade within them self organize. So this is another deception by suggestion – a half truth for consumption by useful idiots.
Curt says:Human action, unlike the movement of stones, is motivated… In physics, the facts of nature are given to us. They may be broken down into their simple elements in the laboratory and their movements observed. On the other hand, we do not know the laws explaining the movements of physical particles; they are unmotivated. We must therefore seek causes by hypothecating general theories, and from these axioms be able to deduce not only the original facts, but other theories which can be directly tested by fact (the famous concept of “operational meaning”). As much as we may progress in the knowledge of the laws of physics, our knowledge is never absolute, since the laws may always be revised by more general laws and through further empirical testing In economics, however, the conditions are almost reversed. Here we know the cause, for human action, unlike the movement of stones, is motivated. Therefore, we may build economics on the basis of axioms — such as the existence of human action and the logical implications of action — which are originally known as true. From these axioms we can deduce step by step, therefore, laws which are also known as true.
He is half right here and what I mean by that is that he’s right to assert analysis of economic phenomena should be empirical, but he’s wrong that all of economics should. Hayek [5]states that:So economics not only isn’t deducible from human action, it’s not. Because we have too many phenomena that we have discovered in economics that aren’t deducible, stickiness of prices wasn’t deducible. However, it’s explainable. You can make any observation you want in mathematics or physics, but unless you can demonstrate it operationally, you haven’t conducted an existence proof.
But I don’t say that right? I say that it isn’t ONLY deducible from subjective analysis. We can operationally construct by subjective analysis a theory and then empirically test it. We can empirically observe a phenomenon then subjectively attempt to construct it. But if we do not do BOTH of them, then we have not tested either the constructed theory or the observed phenomenon. So again, we see, that the Ukrainian-Russians rely upon a half truth while claiming it’s a whole truth. And you will find that this technique which combines loading, framing, overloading, and Suggestion by half-truths, forcing you to substitute a moral completion of that truth, is an effort by the Ukrainan-Russians to create a moral hazard which can be later seized for profit, while claiming it’s an accident when really it was a hazard and you were intellectually (politically, financially) baited and trapped. it is this technique that allows magicians to fool you, as well as Pilpul to fool you as well as most of the Cosmopolitan thought to fool you, whether a member of the Marxist working class, libertine merchant class, or neo-conservative martial class.Hopefully by now I should have made some progress in rescuing you from their deception. It’s not your fault. it’s a very successful technique. It’s worked for thousands of years.
Further, Fritz Machlup [6] on the difference between the natural and social science is that:From the fact that whenever we interpret human action as in any sense purposive or meaningful, whether we do so in ordinary life or for the purposes of the social sciences, we have to define both the objects of human activity and the different kinds of actions themselves, not in physical terms but in terms of the opinions or intentions of the acting persons, there follow some very important consequences; namely, nothing less than that we can, from the concepts of the objects, analytically conclude something about what the actions will be. If we define an object in terms of a person’s attitude toward it, it follows, of course, that the definition of the object implies a statement about the attitude of the person toward the thing. When we say that a person possesses food or money, or that he utters a word, we imply that he knows that the first can be eaten, that the second can be used to buy something with, and that the third can be understood — and perhaps many other things.
Machlup adopts the principle of verstehen (subjective interpretation), but he argues that subjective experience must be taken into consideration but shouldn’t be infallible. In Popperian terms, it should be falsifiable, something Mises disagrees with. Further Machlup (and Hayek) goes against Mises once more by applying praxeology in a third person point of view rather than the first person view taken by Misesian-Rothbardians. This is third person, falsifiable approach is why the Hayekians empirically analyze economic phenomena. So how is this at odds with Propertarianism? Let’s examine what Curt is saying more carefully. For one, he’s explicitly rejecting deductive reasoning, and secondly he’s endorsing verificationism. In the video, he endorses Bridgman’s operationalism saying in the mind of Bridgman:‘man is both observer and subject of observer’… in the latter the facts, the data of observation, are themselves result of interpretations of human actions by human actors. And this imposes on the social sciences a requirement that does not exist in the natural sciences, that all types of action that are used… be ‘understandable’… in the sense that we could conceive of sensible men acting (sometimes at least) in the way postulated by the ideal type in question
You simply misunderstand the difference between the words PROOF and TRUTH. The vulgar language (common vernacular) doesn’t distinguish. But mathematicians construct proofs not truths. What is a proof? A proof is a demonstration of possibility. What is truthful? Your testimony that a statement corresponds to reality. So you can construct a proof (test of internal consistency) and promise that your proof is true ( you will also find it will correspond to reality). It’s not like truth is a trivial concept. It’s been debated for millennia. But platonism dies hard. In the case of mathematics, platonism is everywhere. Curt likes to dance around the word verification but when we look at what Percy was arguing things become a lot more clear, from “On Scientific Method”[7]: Actually it’s because justificationism, and verificationism, are moral and theological tests, not truth tests. But hopefully I’ve made that point so far. If not, lets state it clearly: In science, the language of truth, all theories (descriptions) are forever hypothetical, and all recipes (sequences of operations that survive are true). There are no non-reductio ‘true’ premises from which we can construct deductions. There are only not-yet-false premises. Egro, we can never claim something is true. Instead we can only claim we have done due diligence against falsehoood: ignorance, error, bias, and deceit. Let’s repeat that so it sticks in.There’s no harm in mathematics for using all these verbal contrivances because they actually represent provable, in most cases, provable operations
Doolittle’s methodology is that of logical positivists: operationalism, verficiationism, and inductive reasoning. And so from this, it is Curt who’s embracing a pseudoscience as logical positivism and Percy’s operationalism has been debunked by Karl Popper and has been completely disregarded in modern philosophy. I think I have pretty thoroughly debunked this argument by now. I won’t repeat myself other than to say that Propertarianism’s Testimonialism IS AN EXTENSION OF CRITICAL RATIONALISM’S ADOPTION OF FALSIFICATION. Popper debunked logical positivism by pointing out the problem of induction. In positivism verificationism relies on induction so for example, if a1=b,a2=b, a3=b, …. ax=b, then all a’s = b. It seems intuitively true. Put it another way, Popper said if a white swan exists therefore there exists an x such that x is a swan, and x is white. Induction takes this existential statement and turns it into a universal one by saying all swans are white. But obviously the existence of one non-white swan proves this theory wrong. And just to add insult to injury, since the heart of Positivism is the verification principle. If only statements that can be “verified” are “meaningful” and, therefore, true then verification principle, itself, can’t be verified. And with this, the instrumentalism he also endorses is already debunked so we don’t need to get into that. But if you want click here for Popper’s critique of that. Instrumentalism in the common sense is not as I use it: it refers to the fact that we use instruments both logical and physical to extend our perception and reduce the imperceptible to that which is perceptible and subjectively testable. Again. Wiki is your friend sometimes, and your enemy others. I have been forced to ‘correct’ quite a few terms that we’ve inherited from the past. Not the least of which that most quote ‘numbers’ are in fact existentially possible only as functions. But that’s another discussion altogether.Now if the answer to the problem is correct there must be some way of knowing and proving that it is correct–the very meaning of truth implies the possibility of checking or verification.
When subjected to the scrutiny of professional philosophers, however, Bridgman’s ideas were soon exposed as unsystematic and undeveloped, as he freely admitted himself. Moreover, it became evident that his ideas did not help logical positivists solve the key problems that they were struggling with. After the initial fascination, the standard positivist (and post-positivist) reaction to operationalism was disappointment, and operationalism was often seen as a failed philosophy that did not live up to its promises. [8]
OK, so now we’ve debunked the first criticism. Lets move onto the second.Interviewed in the late 1970s, A J Ayer (a logical positivist) supposed that “the most important” defect [of logical positivism] “was that nearly all of it was false”. [9]
The next fundamental concept of propertarianism is the “imposition of costs”, that is if society sees something as an imposing a cost then it is. No. It says only that if values differ, it is still possible to decide disputes by analysis of the costs imposed. Secondly, “property exists prior to cooperation… Property is not an absolute. The imposition of costs is. Property rights are constrained by the reality of temporal existence, and the prohibition on the imposition of costs upon others.”[10] Property serves to avoid conflict between individuals so that cooperation is cultivated instead. Something is demonstrated to be property when it’s being defended by individuals or groups.Demonstrated Property, or Property-en-Toto, refers to the property that humans demonstrate a propensity to retaliate against the imposition of costs upon.
At the time I was trying to write in concert with Buttler Schaeffer’s work, but I’ve abandoned that approach. He states that property exists prior to cooperation, but that’s a terminological mistake – and I fell into it also. So instead, Possession exists prior to cooperation. Property exists within cooperation. And Property Rights exist under the protection of a third party insurer against whom we can claim an infringement. As far as I know that series survives all criticism.
Your confusing normative property and decidable property. For the purpose of producing a fully decidable natural law, we can define property empirically across all normative portfolios, rendering all disputes decidable. I think what might be tripping you up is this concept: That the west was not first, but evolved faster than the other civilizations in all aspects of life, because the law could adapt faster, because it was more decidable, because it was more correspondent with reality, because westerners had invented what we call ‘truth’ today (correspondence), and benefitted from that normative tradition for the entirety of our existence. So the closer one’s law is to natural law the greater the suppression of parasitism, the hither the trust, the higher the risk tolerance, the more economic, scientific, and intellectual velocity. So I think you’re model of ‘selfishness’ (individualism) is a form of cherry picking. None of the thinkers say it was an exclusive good. Its a good because it produces cumulative effects as well as personal effects. That means its a “good” only so much as it externalizes no “bad”. Again, just like in methodology Doolittle does not shy away from scientism when it comes to ethics. A blogger that goes by the alias says:Thus, this entire definition allows for humanity to empirically, as opposed to normatively, discover exactly what we should consider to be property. [11]
Well if you mean truth telling of an extreme kind I’ll agree with you. But until you can refute the need for all warranties of due diligence in order to claim a truth statement, and therefore be insulated from retaliation for the consequences of your utterances, I don’t think you have anything more to say. 😉 You don’t choose who retaliates against you and why, they do. You don’t choose the standard units of measure, those who do the measuring do. You don’t choose the law, those who practice it do. I am giving people moral and legal license (justification) to retaliate against people who do not warranty their statements in the commons (the market). My belief is that this will be as profound an impact on the pseudosciences (the left), as empiricism was upon the church. The law is a sufficient vehicle for suppression of murder, theft, and fraud against private, shareholder, and commons; and the involuntary warranty of products, goods, and now INFORMATION that is brought to market. There is no need for ideology when we have natural law in defense of information. Curt again tries to extend (the universally denounce) method of operationalism to ethics and runs into several important problems. For one thing, Doolittle categorizes says that the existence of right and wrong only exist in a polity that’s preserving voluntary cooperation and low transaction costs, ibid:The issue is really one that Propertarianism and pretty much everything put forward under the wing of Propertarianism is basically Scientism of a really extreme kind
Secondly, propertarianism use of descriptive ethics means it doesn’t say what ethics should be just what they are. Yes it does. It says that ethics merely exist, and that we can contactually bend them for our group evolutionary strategies. But that those who are more objectively ethical will produce greater rewards and therefore superior genetic, cultural, and economic competition. This holds a boatload of problems because Doolittle wants to ensure that costs are minimized by not disrupting cultural norms. Things like slavery, which at a time in history was both a norm and imposed a tremendous social and economic cost on southerners in the US, could be morally okay. Ok the rest of this is nonsense because I state just the opposite: that an immoral norm can be brought to court by anyone and overthrown by an appeal to natural law. This is, after all, the original premise of the US constitution. And the errors in the constitution were largely permitted to persist slavery. Thirdly, if an injustice like slavery exists, how would one rectify it without going against cultural norms and imposing a cost on society? How does morality progress towards what is truly right or wrong? I don’t see that possible under Doolittle’s paradigm, anything goes as long as the majority agrees But more importantly, he is just rehashing positivism with a different set of terms, I don’t need to go that much further with criticism because a lot of it we’ve already addressed. And because all this what is used to justify the need for a “commons“, this makes it already debunked. So I think I have debunked all this pretty much and its beating a dead horse.This is not talking about people. This is talking about liberal individuals within the social contract theory paradigm of liberalism. The idea that individuals within a society participate voluntarily is complete gibberish. At what point do I voluntarily co-operate? At birth? At conception? When? As for the idea that all society is merely in place for low transaction cost etc, this is a grand philosophical statement in which he is seemingly trying to say society operates for collective good via market jargon, but if you reject the social contract liberal individual, it is meaningless.
If that’s the case, I’m totally supportive of society having one although a name change would be preferable. But for Instagram propertarians, aristocracy is more broadly defined. Many do not make a certain distinction between a natural (meritocratic) aristocracy versus a hereditary one, in fact many are self declared monarchists so it is hard to tell if they’re misreading Doolittle (or maybe Doolittle contradicts himself in a post I haven’t seen yet that could be the cause of this confusion). But even when they do, hereditary aristocracy is still never denounced. Natural Law and Rule of Law. Monarchy refers to private ownership of the institutions by which the market for the production of commons is conducted, just as mall ownership refers to the building in which the market for consumption is conducted. there isn’t any difference except the scale of the territory and population. The difference is that under natural law, that monarch is merely a judge of last resort. He has no POSITIVE power other than the use of his wealth to create moral (legal) commons, and the pulpit of his position to advocate moral (natural law) objectives for the people. Hereditary incentives to accumulate rather than expropriate capital are superior to all alternatives. Our problem today is that this market has a lot of room for innumerate an pseudoscientific fraud. Hence propertarianism. If a market for commons exists, and it is limited to contracts under natural law, then de facto the most meritocratic will rule in the sense that they can influnece most which commons are produced. But as they are limited by natural law, they cannot produce immoral commons. Our problem today is that this market has a lot of room for innumerate an pseudoscientific fraud. Hence propertarianism. If a market for goods, services, and information exists, it is limited to contracts under natural law. Our problem today is that this market has a lot of room for innumerate an pseudoscientific fraud. Hence propertarianism. Take for instance Sebastian and Nick Martinez. Both have explicitly endorsed a natural aristocracy yet they’ve both explicitly praised the feudalist aristocrats and monarchs of the medieval ages. Even more absurdly Sebastian endorses a hereditary monarchy at the same time:[Aristocracy] means rule by meritocracy. So one is a member of the aristocracy as long as one joins the franchise and demonstrates his merit. Now, that is different from saying ‘nobility‘. Aristocracy is not synonymous with nobility. Although some abuse the terms and confuse ‘aristocrat’ with ‘nobility’ this is merely an error.
(My criticism of Sebastian post can be read here and on a nobility of hereditary aristocrats/monarchs here)This parasitic activity in which people try to get rich off politics may be common practice in democratic systems, but not so under monarchy. In a hereditary monarchic system, you have someone ruling who has been educated and trained from birth to lead his country. By the propertarian definition of property (property en toto), which is anything that one can demonstrate a propensity to retaliate against the imposition of costs upon, the nation is the property of the king and he treats it as such. Not only is the king the best man for the job, but he has a vested interest in bettering the country.
But the solution to this (again according to Sebastian) is that each state governs themselves and doesn’t interfere with the other. If that’s the case, then there can be no natural aristocracy at all because social mobility would be nearly impossible. Why? Because if each estate is only governing their respective members, then that means they can do determine who can be one of their members. The aristocrats are obviously not gonna want their estate to expand because that would dilute their power, they’re gonna keep an oligarchy. And the king, who is the most successful aristocrat, yet importantly is also an inherited aristocrat, he’s going to make sure his family remains and power shun out competing factions. And this is not just intuitive, it’s been the historic case of centuries of monarchial-feudalism. Also I find it a bit incoherent that an ideology based on logical positivism uses a Hegelian dialectic.Soon enough the American Revolution began in 1776 and ended in 1783 with the formation of the most successful constitutional republic the world had ever seen. This started a sort of chain reaction in western society. In 1815 there were 55 monarchies in Europe and 9 republics. By 2015 there 12 Monarchies, most of which have gone through massive democratic reform, and 35 republics.
https://propertarianism.com/2016/12/02/bearing-an-imposed-cost-of-the-day-refuting-a-common-libertarian-critic/BOOM. DEAD. 😉
Actually this bit of typical mises institute drivel gave me an excellent vehicle for a point by point explanation of Propertarianism
USEFUL READ FOR ALL.
Source date (UTC): 2016-12-02 12:13:00 UTC
(possibly important to libertarians) —“Would you position Hoppe as a bourgeoise intellectual still? I’ve seen Josh mention this a couple times but through the things Hoppe promotes, his clear classicism and advocating of the recognition of “natural social elites” I get the feeling he’s got some of that martial, anti-liberal stuff going on.”—- I see him as trying to bridge ‘religious’ jewish ‘rights’ from religious law with sovereign martial demands and natural law. And he failed. It cannot be done without violence. He starts from argumentation and non-contradiction rather than possessions and non-retaliation. And that premise is why he fails. —“It’s interesting. I saw you closer to a post-classical liberal at first but when I read Hoppe’s Aristocracy/Monarchy/Democracy essay I sort of found out Hoppe himself tries to position his philosophy as aristocratic but he can not escape from his Rothbardianism, sadly”— yep. I advocate the aristocracy of sovereign men who grant liberty, freedom, and subsidy to weaker men, women, and children in the lower classes for personal,familial, tribal, cultural profit and status. —“Hoppe just sort of expects this to form by itself. It’s sad. It’s sad because he’s brilliant”— It is. It frustrates me no end. He was so close. He loves rothbard as a mentor but it was rothbard who ruined his potential. —“Where does he get close? I reckon where he advocates for institutions to preserve liberty (covenants) but there, apart from sort-of advocating (violent) enforcement of voluntary commons I don’t see where he almost figures it out”— I think it’s in DGTF that he comes across the operationalists and intuitionists and dismisses them. He didn’t make the connection between the intuitionists, operationalists, and mises praxeology. I think it’s at that point that he had the opportunity to understand but failed. He basically was applying argumentation ethics from the marxists (cosmopolitan jews) and was sort of a hammer looking for a nail. In the end, I see rothbard as a corrupting influence on Hoppe’s early promise, just as I see him as a corrupting influence on everyone else that he influenced. Hoppe’s justificationary ‘excuses’ are all nonsense. But his deductions from property are flawless. Unfortunately he is (absurdly) proud of his errors, and under-appreciates his achievements. And I have offended him enough with my arrogance that there is no way to reconcile and rescue his legacy from the bin of intellectual history. If instead, we look at the operationalist problem in social science as a sequence from Weber->Mises->Rothbard->Hoppe->Doolittle, we solved the logic of the social sciences and completed the scientific method in a century – despite the failure of the entire philosophical academy. I can’t show that without his help because the problem is too difficult for people to invest in learning without an incentive to do so by a perceived authority. I didn’t change what Hoppe deduced from property rights. I change the chain of causality that it depended upon by abandoning his jewish legal pseudo-rationalsm and german kantian justificationism, and replacing it with critical empiricism: SCIENCE. And I did so by restoring the basis of the experience of liberty, to the creation of sovereignty by the aristocracy, through the organized application of violence to prevent the alternatives. Jewish-tradition libertarians beg for the pretense of Sovereignty. Anglo-Saxon sovereignty is a choice made possible by the reciprocal insurance of warriors against the creation of a superior of any kind among peers. From this perspective we should be heroes in history. But without Hoppe’s assistance I do not have a way to convert the indoctrinated, true believers, and to rescue Hoppe from his rationalism. His achievements, his wonderful organization, and his name will end with him otherwise. I owe him so much. I asked him repeatedly for help. I told him first when I’d solved the problem. But I am just an arrogant american to him. And what he fails to grasp is that I a descendent from a long line of the norman martial class who sees the academy as an infested swamp, doing yeoman’s labor among the bricklayers of intellectual history. I do not need to act as a bourgeoise beggar for liberty. Because I understand liberty is the consequence of sovereignty, and sovereignty is obtained by violence used to deny all others any alternative. Sovereignty at one end of the spectrum and tyranny at the other. Sovereignty consists in a distributed dictatorship of sovereign men. And liberty is had only by their permission. Curt Doolittle The Propertarian Institute Kiev, Ukraine
(possibly important to libertarians) —“Would you position Hoppe as a bourgeoise intellectual still? I’ve seen Josh mention this a couple times but through the things Hoppe promotes, his clear classicism and advocating of the recognition of “natural social elites” I get the feeling he’s got some of that martial, anti-liberal stuff going on.”—- I see him as trying to bridge ‘religious’ jewish ‘rights’ from religious law with sovereign martial demands and natural law. And he failed. It cannot be done without violence. He starts from argumentation and non-contradiction rather than possessions and non-retaliation. And that premise is why he fails. —“It’s interesting. I saw you closer to a post-classical liberal at first but when I read Hoppe’s Aristocracy/Monarchy/Democracy essay I sort of found out Hoppe himself tries to position his philosophy as aristocratic but he can not escape from his Rothbardianism, sadly”— yep. I advocate the aristocracy of sovereign men who grant liberty, freedom, and subsidy to weaker men, women, and children in the lower classes for personal,familial, tribal, cultural profit and status. —“Hoppe just sort of expects this to form by itself. It’s sad. It’s sad because he’s brilliant”— It is. It frustrates me no end. He was so close. He loves rothbard as a mentor but it was rothbard who ruined his potential. —“Where does he get close? I reckon where he advocates for institutions to preserve liberty (covenants) but there, apart from sort-of advocating (violent) enforcement of voluntary commons I don’t see where he almost figures it out”— I think it’s in DGTF that he comes across the operationalists and intuitionists and dismisses them. He didn’t make the connection between the intuitionists, operationalists, and mises praxeology. I think it’s at that point that he had the opportunity to understand but failed. He basically was applying argumentation ethics from the marxists (cosmopolitan jews) and was sort of a hammer looking for a nail. In the end, I see rothbard as a corrupting influence on Hoppe’s early promise, just as I see him as a corrupting influence on everyone else that he influenced. Hoppe’s justificationary ‘excuses’ are all nonsense. But his deductions from property are flawless. Unfortunately he is (absurdly) proud of his errors, and under-appreciates his achievements. And I have offended him enough with my arrogance that there is no way to reconcile and rescue his legacy from the bin of intellectual history. If instead, we look at the operationalist problem in social science as a sequence from Weber->Mises->Rothbard->Hoppe->Doolittle, we solved the logic of the social sciences and completed the scientific method in a century – despite the failure of the entire philosophical academy. I can’t show that without his help because the problem is too difficult for people to invest in learning without an incentive to do so by a perceived authority. I didn’t change what Hoppe deduced from property rights. I change the chain of causality that it depended upon by abandoning his jewish legal pseudo-rationalsm and german kantian justificationism, and replacing it with critical empiricism: SCIENCE. And I did so by restoring the basis of the experience of liberty, to the creation of sovereignty by the aristocracy, through the organized application of violence to prevent the alternatives. Jewish-tradition libertarians beg for the pretense of Sovereignty. Anglo-Saxon sovereignty is a choice made possible by the reciprocal insurance of warriors against the creation of a superior of any kind among peers. From this perspective we should be heroes in history. But without Hoppe’s assistance I do not have a way to convert the indoctrinated, true believers, and to rescue Hoppe from his rationalism. His achievements, his wonderful organization, and his name will end with him otherwise. I owe him so much. I asked him repeatedly for help. I told him first when I’d solved the problem. But I am just an arrogant american to him. And what he fails to grasp is that I a descendent from a long line of the norman martial class who sees the academy as an infested swamp, doing yeoman’s labor among the bricklayers of intellectual history. I do not need to act as a bourgeoise beggar for liberty. Because I understand liberty is the consequence of sovereignty, and sovereignty is obtained by violence used to deny all others any alternative. Sovereignty at one end of the spectrum and tyranny at the other. Sovereignty consists in a distributed dictatorship of sovereign men. And liberty is had only by their permission. Curt Doolittle The Propertarian Institute Kiev, Ukraine
Got a short list of things conservatives would say? Help me with that and I’ll do it.
Source date (UTC): 2016-12-02 00:34:47 UTC
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@curtdoolittle Idea for podcast: cnsrvtives wld say xyz (historical & analogical), bt operationally what thy refer to are abc sets of prprty
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VERY SMART.
Source date (UTC): 2016-12-02 00:34:12 UTC
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@MartialSociety
@curtdoolittle Idea for podcast: cnsrvtives wld say xyz (historical & analogical), bt operationally what thy refer to are abc sets of prprty
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/804441805542412288
SUGGESTION RE: “LOSS OF METAPHYSICAL FOUNDATIONS”.
@Dr Jordan Peterson
While other civilizations may have been narratively monolithic, the church was merely one component of the system of cooperation between the classes that constituted the informal structure of western civilization.
(a) The estates of the realm existed under manorialism (cooperation between classes) replacing more costly aristocracy, freemen, and slaves. Each estate often spoke a different language, each used a different narrative, and each a different ‘scripture’. Latin remained the language of the intellectual class. Christianity itself provided a convenient excuse to justify Aristocratic Expansion and their heroic cult and mythos. The common law remained as the primary means of decidability. The christian religion remained as a public religion. The ancient myths and legends remained as the religion of home and hearth. The west has always been poly-philosophical if we categorize religion as a sub-category of philosophy. Why? Because western civilization never engaged in conflation, but preserved the estates of the realm. Hence why there are three cults in china (Confucius, LaoTzu, Budda), the castes in india, the estates in the west, the three classes of islam under one book, and the single class of judaism under one book and one set of laws. But the west has many many books, and only the common law, the philosophy of the intellectual class, and the religion of the lower classes persist. The philosophy of the aristocratic classes was only captured in narrative and handed down from father to son for millennia.
(b) anglo enlightenment causes chain of events that undermines the unwritten cult of the aristocracy (sovereignty).
(c) liberal revolutions undermine the contract between the aristocracy and the middle classes (rule of law becomes discretionary law)
(d) proletarian revolutions undermine the contract between the middle classes and the lower classes.
(e) church is weakened by (a)+(b) and put to death by darwin.
(f) Poincare(mathematics), Maxwell(science), Dawin(anthropology), Spencer(social sci), Karl Menger(econ), Nietzche(aesthetics) and the pre-rapaelites (art), Wagner(theatre and opera),and others try to provide a new ‘map’ on the ancient model, in scientific rather than rationalism, reason, and platonism.
(g) Cantor (mathematical platonism), Boaz(anthropology and sociology), Marx (economics and sociology), Mises (economics), Freud (psychology), Adorno+Co (aesthetics), combined with democracy, women’s entry into the franchise, and the academy’s seizure of moral authority from the church by selling diplomas rather than indulgences – create a competing utopian suite of narratives ready to sell to the new members of the consumer classes. The entire cosmopolitan corpus however, is composed of nothing but pseudoscience.
(h) Early soviet successes despite the greatest human death and destruction in history, and the soviet emphasis of spending 85% of its intelligence budget on funding intellectuals who advance the Frankfurt school’s propaganda for the purpose of subversion (creating conflict between the classes), plus a compliant intellectual class, seeking even greater wealth, status, and power, succeed in capturing the narrative from the Continentals, and solidify it with the defeat of the Fascists (who are themselves merely a reaction to the same pseudosciences and breakdown of class cooperation.)
(h) Postwar economic boom in the states allows funding of expansion of the academy by turning ‘schools’ in to ‘colleges’ and ‘colleges’ into ‘universities’. And profits from the sale of pseudoscientific religion to a generation lacking empirical traditions.
(g) Produces crisis of the 1960s, followed by reaction in the late 1970s as policy failures accumulate, yet the movement had been successful for the first time in history, in replacing the martial aristocracy from membership in the competition for power, not realizing that they had merely replaced the military industrial complex’s productivity and empirical epistemology with the academy, media, state complex and their pseudoscientific epistemology.
(h) 1999’s surprising bow shot by Pinker provides the first substantial scientific counter to expand upon the previous generation’s political retrenchment against pseudoscientific politics. From 2000 until the present we are incrementally expanding the criticism of the pseudosciences overthrowing and reforming the hard sciences, while the pseudoscientific academy’s three generations of professors, four generations of teachers, and first generation of ‘snowflakes’, comes into maturity. We have been assisted by the demonstrated failure of the Keynesian economic and mathematical pseudoscientific program, and the assumptions of ongoing prosperity that the progressive postwar narrative had been constructed upon.
(i) Today there are a number of us working in different fields to end the pseudoscientific era, and the destruction of reason.
WHAT’S THE POINT?
The point I want to get across here is that while other civilizations may have been narratively monolithic, the church was merely one component of the system of cooperation between the classes that constituted the informal structure of western civilization.
even today the fallacy of equalitarianism, equalitarian democracy, and universalism merely continue this utopian deceit. Instead of a market for exchanges between the classes provided by multiple houses of government and the church, we conduct a war of disinformation and deception because our method of government is not suitable for the construction of agreements – only defeats.
So while we have plenty of class narratives, scientific, philosophical, political, military, entrepreneurial, artisan, laborer, and dependent; and we have founding narratives: Indo European, Homeric, Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, Arthur, and Germanic, Jeffersonian; and they all derive from the fight against the (middle) east (steppe and desert people), or their retaliation against Aristoracy (christianity, judaism, islam) and we have plenty of methods of argument: art, myth, literature, religion, philosophy, science, and law – And we still speak in a language comprised of three: latin-english for the intellectual class, ‘french-english’ for the middle class, and german-english for the common people, WE LACK THE NARRATIVE THAT EXPLAINS THE SYNTHESIS.
So that is the point I want to get across.
You cannot recreate christianity. The vulgar speech of the postmoderns, the ‘Church of TED’ and the ‘pseudoscientific academy/media/state complex, cannot be replaced with one institution.
We have a founding mythos.
We just need to talk about it scientifically, make pseudoscience illegal, and make suppression of scientific truth illegal. ( And that is what I have worked on for the past twenty years.) It turns out that it’s quite possible to use the law to demand warranties of due diligence on political speech(information) just as we demand warranties of due diligence on products and services. The law is exceptional at lie detection. We need only put it to work on detecting this category of lies.
The rest will sort itself out. We don’t have to DESIGN a solution. We have to design a PROHIBITION. The solution is already out there waiting to hatch.
Cheers
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine
Source date (UTC): 2016-12-01 12:26:00 UTC
@Dr Peterson (great video this week)
SUGGESTION RE: “LOSS OF METAPHYSICAL FOUNDATIONS”.
(a) estates of the realm existed under manorialism (cooperation between classes) replacing more costly aristocracy, freemen, and slaves. Each estate often spoke a different language, each used a different narrative, and each a different ‘scripture’. Latin remained the language of the intellectual class. Christianity itself provided a convenient excuse to justify Aristocratic Expansion and their heroic cult and mythos. The common law remained as the primary means of decidability. The christian religion remained as a public religion. The ancient myths and legends remained as the religion of home and hearth. The west has always been poly-philosophical if we categorize religion as a sub-category of philosophy. Why? Because western civilization never engaged in conflation, but preserved the estates of the realm. Hence why there are three cults in china (Confucius, LaoTzu, Budda), the castes in india, the estates in the west, the three classes of islam under one book, and the single class of judaism under one book and one set of laws. But the west has many many books, and only the common law, the philosophy of the intellectual class, and the religion of the lower classes persist. The philosophy of the aristocratic classes was only captured in narrative and handed down from father to son for millennia.
(b) anglo enlightenment causes chain of events that undermines the unwritten cult of the aristocracy (sovereignty).
(c) liberal revolutions undermine the contract between the aristocracy and the middle classes (rule of law becomes discretionary law)
(d) proletarian revolutions undermine the contract between the middle classes and the lower classes.
(e) church is weakened by (a)+(b) and put to death by darwin.
(f) Poincare(mathematics), Maxwell(science), Dawin(anthropology), Spencer(social sci), Karl Menger(econ), Nietzche(aesthetics) and the pre-rapaelites (art), Wagner(theatre and opera),and others try to provide a new ‘map’ on the ancient model, in scientific rather than rationalism, reason, and platonism.
(g) Cantor (mathematical platonism), Boaz(anthropology and sociology), Marx (economics and sociology), Mises (economics), Freud (psychology), Adorno+Co (aesthetics), combined with democracy, women’s entry into the franchise, and the academy’s seizure of moral authority from the church by selling diplomas rather than indulgences – create a competing utopian suite of narratives ready to sell to the new members of the consumer classes. The entire cosmopolitan corpus however, is composed of nothing but pseudoscience.
(h) Early soviet successes despite the greatest human death and destruction in history, and the soviet emphasis of spending 85% of its intelligence budget on funding intellectuals who advance the Frankfurt school’s propaganda for the purpose of subversion (creating conflict between the classes), plus a compliant intellectual class, seeking even greater wealth, status, and power, succeed in capturing the narrative from the Continentals, and solidify it with the defeat of the Fascists (who are themselves merely a reaction to the same pseudosciences and breakdown of class cooperation.)
(h) Postwar economic boom in the states allows funding of expansion of the academy by turning ‘schools’ in to ‘colleges’ and ‘colleges’ into ‘universities’. And profits from the sale of pseudoscientific religion to a generation lacking empirical traditions.
(g) Produces crisis of the 1960s, followed by reaction in the late 1970s as policy failures accumulate, yet the movement had been successful for the first time in history, in replacing the martial aristocracy from membership in the competition for power, not realizing that they had merely replaced the military industrial complex’s productivity and empirical epistemology with the academy, media, state complex and their pseudoscientific epistemology.
(h) 1999’s surprising bow shot by Pinker provides the first substantial scientific counter to expand upon the previous generation’s political retrenchment against pseudoscientific politics. From 2000 until the present we are incrementally expanding the criticism of the pseudosciences overthrowing and reforming the hard sciences, while the pseudoscientific academy’s three generations of professors, four generations of teachers, and first generation of ‘snowflakes’, comes into maturity. We have been assisted by the demonstrated failure of the Keynesian economic and mathematical pseudoscientific program, and the assumptions of ongoing prosperity that the progressive postwar narrative had been constructed upon.
(i) Today there are a number of us working in different fields to end the pseudoscientific era, and the destruction of reason.
WHAT’S THE POINT?
The point I want to get across here is that while other civilizations may have been narratively monolithic, the church was merely one component of the system of cooperation between the classes that constituted the informal structure of western civilization.
even today the fallacy of equalitarianism, equalitarian democracy, and universalism merely continue this utopian deceit. Instead of a market for exchanges between the classes provided by multiple houses of government and the church, we conduct a war of disinformation and deception because our method of government is not suitable for the construction of agreements – only defeats.
So while we have plenty of class narratives, scientific, philosophical, political, military, entrepreneurial, artisan, laborer, and dependent; and we have founding narratives: Indo European, Homeric, Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, Arthur, and Germanic, Jeffersonian; and they all derive from the fight against the (middle) east (steppe and desert people), or their retaliation against Aristoracy (christianity, judaism, islam) and we have plenty of methods of argument: art, myth, literature, religion, philosophy, science, and law – And we still speak in a language comprised of three: latin-english for the intellectual class, ‘french-english’ for the middle class, and german-english for the common people, WE LACK THE NARRATIVE THAT EXPLAINS THE SYNTHESIS.
So that is the point I want to get across.
You cannot recreate christianity. The vulgar speech of the postmoderns, the ‘Church of TED’ and the ‘pseudoscientific academy/media/state complex, cannot be replaced with one institution.
We have a founding mythos.
We just need to talk about it scientifically, make pseudoscience illegal, and make suppression of scientific truth illegal. ( And that is what I have worked on for the past twenty years.) It turns out that it’s quite possible to use the law to demand warranties of due diligence on political speech(information) just as we demand warranties of due diligence on products and services. The law is exceptional at lie detection. We need only put it to work on detecting this category of lies.
The rest will sort itself out. We don’t have to DESIGN a solution. We have to design a PROHIBITION. The solution is already out there waiting to hatch.
Cheers
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine
Source date (UTC): 2016-12-01 12:25:00 UTC