Apr 18, 2020, 6:25 PM
—“I actually think Johannesburg represents the future. My version of what I think the world is going to become looks like Johannesburg.”— Neil Blomkamp
Exactly.
Apr 18, 2020, 6:25 PM
—“I actually think Johannesburg represents the future. My version of what I think the world is going to become looks like Johannesburg.”— Neil Blomkamp
Exactly.
Apr 19, 2020, 8:17 AM
—“Curt, What do you think of Peter Turchin’s Work”—
Well I’m a practitioner, right? So I don’t know how to make a higher endorsement than that. Turchin, Kondratiev, Strauss and Howe, Caroll, Toynbee, Spenger, Durant … I mean, my model is a little lower level, meaning military, economic, and demographic, rather than statistical, so I tend to think in supply demand curves rather than statistical correlations, but I’m not just a follower but a practitioner.’
Apr 19, 2020, 8:17 AM
—“Curt, What do you think of Peter Turchin’s Work”—
Well I’m a practitioner, right? So I don’t know how to make a higher endorsement than that. Turchin, Kondratiev, Strauss and Howe, Caroll, Toynbee, Spenger, Durant … I mean, my model is a little lower level, meaning military, economic, and demographic, rather than statistical, so I tend to think in supply demand curves rather than statistical correlations, but I’m not just a follower but a practitioner.’
Apr 22, 2020, 10:38 AM
—“Given the trajectory western civilization was on over the last century or two, we should’ve been building stuff on the moon, making and using powered exoskeletons, and using quantum computing by now. But instead here we are having to care for those who haven’t so much as invented a wheel in 1500 years, placating to the whims of our weakest willed and minded, and letting perversion run wild. This time we’ll make sure it changes for good, like John Mark says in some of his videos, our children will never have to fight this fight ever again.”—Shane Walter
—“We spent too much time in the last century averaging for lowest common denominator.”—Robert Danis
Apr 22, 2020, 10:38 AM
—“Given the trajectory western civilization was on over the last century or two, we should’ve been building stuff on the moon, making and using powered exoskeletons, and using quantum computing by now. But instead here we are having to care for those who haven’t so much as invented a wheel in 1500 years, placating to the whims of our weakest willed and minded, and letting perversion run wild. This time we’ll make sure it changes for good, like John Mark says in some of his videos, our children will never have to fight this fight ever again.”—Shane Walter
—“We spent too much time in the last century averaging for lowest common denominator.”—Robert Danis
Apr 24, 2020, 12:15 PM
–“I was working the rather large winter garden this afternoon I have planted with my father. Thinking about the respective Peloponnesian and Delian strategies. It got me thinking about two things. Agricultural productivity / output and the concurrent effervescence of commercial activity, economic growth, and thus civilisational expansion (consider this also in a Rome vs Carthage context too). The second angle was the context of one’s own personal independence and self-sovereignty, in this sense as a landowner, either large or small scale. Be it in terms of food supply, land as a hold of value, and also as an individual / family / community area with which to defend one’s own assets. Whilst Australia and America have different cultures and expressions of “homesteading” there are some similarities too, you might call it a “dying frontier of the self-owned man”. Do you have any pointers or suggestions from a Propertarian standpoint?”— A Friend
Yes, you have the correct insight, that I would translate as “If a man is dependent upon the land, he intuits others are also dependent upon the land, and that he cannot defend his land nor can others without collective defense of land, and collective defense by almost everyone. This is the opposite of migratory pastoralists and disaporic traders (Carthage), or diasporic usurers (Jews), or diasporic thieves(gypsies), or diasporic raiders(muslims), diasporic rent seekers(russians, mongols), but not the same as settled(germans, spartans) or diasporic producers (europeans, chinese – and what should have been hindus). That is because we specialize in different strategies and our value of territory, built capital, institutional, and cultural commons, differs by where our revenue comes from and the composition of our ‘armies’ and the strategy that these men use for control of predation (raiding), parasitism (extractive rule, usury, theft), or domestication (productive rule, settlement, common capital production.)
Apr 24, 2020, 12:15 PM
–“I was working the rather large winter garden this afternoon I have planted with my father. Thinking about the respective Peloponnesian and Delian strategies. It got me thinking about two things. Agricultural productivity / output and the concurrent effervescence of commercial activity, economic growth, and thus civilisational expansion (consider this also in a Rome vs Carthage context too). The second angle was the context of one’s own personal independence and self-sovereignty, in this sense as a landowner, either large or small scale. Be it in terms of food supply, land as a hold of value, and also as an individual / family / community area with which to defend one’s own assets. Whilst Australia and America have different cultures and expressions of “homesteading” there are some similarities too, you might call it a “dying frontier of the self-owned man”. Do you have any pointers or suggestions from a Propertarian standpoint?”— A Friend
Yes, you have the correct insight, that I would translate as “If a man is dependent upon the land, he intuits others are also dependent upon the land, and that he cannot defend his land nor can others without collective defense of land, and collective defense by almost everyone. This is the opposite of migratory pastoralists and disaporic traders (Carthage), or diasporic usurers (Jews), or diasporic thieves(gypsies), or diasporic raiders(muslims), diasporic rent seekers(russians, mongols), but not the same as settled(germans, spartans) or diasporic producers (europeans, chinese – and what should have been hindus). That is because we specialize in different strategies and our value of territory, built capital, institutional, and cultural commons, differs by where our revenue comes from and the composition of our ‘armies’ and the strategy that these men use for control of predation (raiding), parasitism (extractive rule, usury, theft), or domestication (productive rule, settlement, common capital production.)
For all intents and purposes, with wide individual variation, physical attractiveness (which yes, is a universal), physical fitness, General Intelligence, and personality, serve as a rough indicator of class. For all intents and purposes, intelligence serves as a personality trait – and perhaps the dominant personality trait. For all intents and purposes, personality and physique require exercise in order to produce individual fitness. (This being the primary failure of the 20th century – personality training.)
Elite – Extremely desirable Upper – Desirable throughout life. Middle – Desirable through fertility, Upper Lower – Desirable during peak fertility. Lower – Desirable only as ‘settling’ (last resort) Lowest – Undesirable
( status, opportunity )
( ability economy, siezure )
Upper (Asset Capital – Power) Tool of Coercion: Force – Military, Law, Sheriff
1) Upper – Production of Order (sovereignty) Rule Economy (Aristocracy Profit from the Organization of Labor+K)
Middle (Knowledge Capital) Tool of Coercion: Remuneration – Organization, Distribution and Trade2) Upper Middle – Organization of Production (liberty) Capitalism ( Organization of Labor+Knowledge )
3) Middle – Organization of Transformation (freedom) Market Economy ( Voluntarily Organized Labor+K)
4) Lower Middle (working) Transformation (participation) Mixed Economy ( Voluntary + Involuntarily Organized Labor+K)
Lower (Physical Capital) Tool of Coercion: Gossip (resistance) – Production, Dist. and Trade5) Lower (working) Labor (participation) Command Economy ( Lower – Involuntarily Organized Labor+K)
Dependent (No Capital)6) Dependent – Production of Generations (pos. Freedom) Dependent Economy (Dependents – Redistributions from Labor+K)
The common definition is:
—”the social group between the upper(not working) and working (laboring) classes, including professional and business workers and their families(managerial).”—
I would use:
***”People who calculate, organize, manage, production, distribution, and trade.”***
Because I think it is the best book yet available, I tend to use Paul Fussel’s book “Class”, and most people who read it are forever changed by it. The British and American Systems The British system, which is more economically descriptive, if expanded, would be superior to the American which is politically descriptive. We have simply had ‘diversity’ longer, so we have ‘softer’ categories in order to eliminate the ‘uncomfortable’ truth that we’re racially stratified as well as occupationally stratified. The British and American Class Models British ???? – American Upper Out of Sight Class (the 80 major money families in the states) British ???? – American Upper Class (live on money) For example, our tech people are hardly classifiable as elites, other than perhaps the Gates’ who have made the transition from commercial to entirely humanitarian occupation. British Elite – American Upper Middle Class (in America, we refer to elites as people who have political power, not economic power, and who hold utopian visions of the future.) Members of the elite class are the top 6% of British society with very high economic capital (particularly savings), high social capital, and very ‘highbrow’ cultural capital. Occupations such as chief executive officers, IT and telecommunications directors, marketing and sales directors; functional managers and directors, barristers and judges, financial managers, higher education teachers,[24] dentists, doctors and advertising and public relations directors were strongly represented.[25] However, those in the established and ‘acceptable’ professions, such as academia, law, and medicine are more traditional upper-middle-class identifiers with IT and sales being the preserve of the economic if not social middle class. British Established middle class – American Middle Class Members of the established middle class, about 25% of British society, reported high economic capital, high status of mean social contacts, and both high highbrow and high emerging cultural capital. Well-represented occupations included electrical engineers, occupational therapists, midwives, environmental professionals, police officers, quality assurance and regulatory professionals, town planning officials, and special needs teaching professionals.[26] British Technical middle class – American Lower Middle Class The technical middle class, about 6% of British society, shows high economic capital, very high status of social contacts, but relatively few contacts reported, and moderate cultural capital. Occupations represented include medical radiographers, aircraft pilots, pharmacists, natural and social science professionals and physical scientists, and business, research, and administrative positions.[27] British New affluent workers – American Upper Working Class New affluent workers, about 15% of British society, show moderately good economic capital, relatively poor status of social contacts, though highly varied, and moderate highbrow but good emerging cultural capital. Occupations include electricians and electrical fitters; postal workers; retail cashiers and checkout operatives; plumbers and heating and ventilation engineers; sales and retail assistants; housing officers; kitchen and catering assistants; quality assurance technicians.[27] British Traditional working class – American Middle Working Class The traditional working class, about 15% of British society, shows relatively poor economic capital, but some housing assets, few social contacts, and low highbrow and emerging cultural capital. Typical occupations include electrical and electronics technicians; care workers; cleaners; van drivers; electricians; residential, day, and domiciliary care [27] British Emergent service sector – American lower working class The emergent service sector, about 19% of British society, shows relatively poor economic capital, but reasonable household income, moderate social contacts, high emerging (but low highbrow) cultural capital. Typical occupations include bar staff, chefs, nursing auxiliaries and assistants, assemblers and routine operatives, care workers, elementary storage occupations, customer service occupations, musicians.[27] British Precariat – American upper proletarian class The precariat, about 15% of British society, shows poor economic capital, and the lowest scores on every other criterion. Typical occupations include cleaners, van drivers, care workers, carpenters and joiners, caretakers, leisure and travel service occupations, shopkeepers and proprietors, and retail cashiers. British ???? – American Lower proletarian class British ???? – American out-of-sight lower class.
The Four Middle Classes Criteria
To some degree these overlap considerably. But there is quite a bit of rotation in and out of the middle, even if there very little rotation out of the upper middle (professional class), lots of rotation out of the lower upper class (financiers and politicals) and upper-class (families who maintain excellence over many generations). So I use all four circles, and I tend to suggest that it’s all genetics, and it’s whether you succeed socially, occupationally, and economically that can change the appearance of what class you’re in. American culture is still fairly favorable for anyone in the middle class to move up socially, economically, and occupationally, and by offspring, some small chance, if you marry well, genetically. SUMMARY the middle class contains those people in the four middle class criteria, and divided by specialization into the people who persuade, people who trade, and people who defend limits.
(… individual rotation vs family and clan rotation)(… the difficulty in defeating the red queen) WHY SO LITTLE SOCIAL ROTATION? IT’S PRETTY MUCH ALL NATURE. –“If genetics dominates, then the persistence rate should be the same at the top and at the bottom of the social hierarchy. Moreover, endogamous social groups—groups whose members do not marry outside the group—will be completely persistent in their status, high or low. Groups that are on average high or low on the social scale will not succeed or fail socially because of any distinctive culture that they adopted. Instead their success or failure will be the result purely of their positive or negative selection from a larger population. The more distinctive they are now in social status, the smaller a share they will be of the descendants of their parent population.”– (INVOLUNTARY REDISTRIBUTION IS GENOCIDE) –“Only if genetics is the main element in determining economic success, if nature trumps nurture, is there a built-in mechanism that explains the observed regression. That mechanism is the intermarriage of the children of rich and educated lineages with successful, upwardly mobile children of poor and uneducated lineages. Even though there is strong assortative mating—because this is based on the social phenotype created in part by luck—those of higher-than-average innate talent tend to mate with those of lesser ability and regress to the mean. Similarly, those of lower-than-average innate talent tend to marry unlucky offspring of higher average innate talent.”– ITS ALL GENES – THE WORLD IS A MUCH FAIRER PLACE THAN IT SEEMS. –” 1) First, it means the world is a much fairer place than we intuit. Innate talent, not inherited privilege, is the main source of economic success. 2) Second, it suggests that the large investment made by the upper classes in the care and raising of their children is of no avail in preventing long-run downward mobility: the wealthy Manhattan attorneys who hire coaches for their toddlers to ensure placement in elite kindergartens cannot prevent the eventual regression of their descendants to the mean. 3) Third, government interventions to increase social mobility are unlikely to have much impact unless they affect the rate of intermarriage between levels of the social hierarchy and between ethnic groups. 4) Fourth, emphasis on racial, ethnic, and religious differences allows persistent social stratification through the barriers they create to this intermarriage. In order for a society to increase social mobility over the long run, it must achieve the cultural homogeneity that maximizes intermarriage rates between social groups. “– Justification. Dunning Kreuger. Envy. Reproductive Strategy. All guarantee that despite the fact his is true, it is in the lower majority’s interests to deny it. Unless we pay them well to have but one child, and punish them severely for having more. Personally I think that’s a pretty good deal. I’d have just one child if someone would pay me 10-20K a year for it, and would take it away if I had more. I don’t advocate redistribution for the purpose of equality. I advocate it for the purpose of suppressing breeding, and paying people to assist in the construction of property rights and the commons that facilitates the voluntary organization of production
For all intents and purposes, with wide individual variation, physical attractiveness (which yes, is a universal), physical fitness, General Intelligence, and personality, serve as a rough indicator of class. For all intents and purposes, intelligence serves as a personality trait – and perhaps the dominant personality trait. For all intents and purposes, personality and physique require exercise in order to produce individual fitness. (This being the primary failure of the 20th century – personality training.)
Elite – Extremely desirable Upper – Desirable throughout life. Middle – Desirable through fertility, Upper Lower – Desirable during peak fertility. Lower – Desirable only as ‘settling’ (last resort) Lowest – Undesirable
( status, opportunity )
( ability economy, siezure )
Upper (Asset Capital – Power) Tool of Coercion: Force – Military, Law, Sheriff
1) Upper – Production of Order (sovereignty) Rule Economy (Aristocracy Profit from the Organization of Labor+K)
Middle (Knowledge Capital) Tool of Coercion: Remuneration – Organization, Distribution and Trade2) Upper Middle – Organization of Production (liberty) Capitalism ( Organization of Labor+Knowledge )
3) Middle – Organization of Transformation (freedom) Market Economy ( Voluntarily Organized Labor+K)
4) Lower Middle (working) Transformation (participation) Mixed Economy ( Voluntary + Involuntarily Organized Labor+K)
Lower (Physical Capital) Tool of Coercion: Gossip (resistance) – Production, Dist. and Trade5) Lower (working) Labor (participation) Command Economy ( Lower – Involuntarily Organized Labor+K)
Dependent (No Capital)6) Dependent – Production of Generations (pos. Freedom) Dependent Economy (Dependents – Redistributions from Labor+K)
The common definition is:
—”the social group between the upper(not working) and working (laboring) classes, including professional and business workers and their families(managerial).”—
I would use:
***”People who calculate, organize, manage, production, distribution, and trade.”***
Because I think it is the best book yet available, I tend to use Paul Fussel’s book “Class”, and most people who read it are forever changed by it. The British and American Systems The British system, which is more economically descriptive, if expanded, would be superior to the American which is politically descriptive. We have simply had ‘diversity’ longer, so we have ‘softer’ categories in order to eliminate the ‘uncomfortable’ truth that we’re racially stratified as well as occupationally stratified. The British and American Class Models British ???? – American Upper Out of Sight Class (the 80 major money families in the states) British ???? – American Upper Class (live on money) For example, our tech people are hardly classifiable as elites, other than perhaps the Gates’ who have made the transition from commercial to entirely humanitarian occupation. British Elite – American Upper Middle Class (in America, we refer to elites as people who have political power, not economic power, and who hold utopian visions of the future.) Members of the elite class are the top 6% of British society with very high economic capital (particularly savings), high social capital, and very ‘highbrow’ cultural capital. Occupations such as chief executive officers, IT and telecommunications directors, marketing and sales directors; functional managers and directors, barristers and judges, financial managers, higher education teachers,[24] dentists, doctors and advertising and public relations directors were strongly represented.[25] However, those in the established and ‘acceptable’ professions, such as academia, law, and medicine are more traditional upper-middle-class identifiers with IT and sales being the preserve of the economic if not social middle class. British Established middle class – American Middle Class Members of the established middle class, about 25% of British society, reported high economic capital, high status of mean social contacts, and both high highbrow and high emerging cultural capital. Well-represented occupations included electrical engineers, occupational therapists, midwives, environmental professionals, police officers, quality assurance and regulatory professionals, town planning officials, and special needs teaching professionals.[26] British Technical middle class – American Lower Middle Class The technical middle class, about 6% of British society, shows high economic capital, very high status of social contacts, but relatively few contacts reported, and moderate cultural capital. Occupations represented include medical radiographers, aircraft pilots, pharmacists, natural and social science professionals and physical scientists, and business, research, and administrative positions.[27] British New affluent workers – American Upper Working Class New affluent workers, about 15% of British society, show moderately good economic capital, relatively poor status of social contacts, though highly varied, and moderate highbrow but good emerging cultural capital. Occupations include electricians and electrical fitters; postal workers; retail cashiers and checkout operatives; plumbers and heating and ventilation engineers; sales and retail assistants; housing officers; kitchen and catering assistants; quality assurance technicians.[27] British Traditional working class – American Middle Working Class The traditional working class, about 15% of British society, shows relatively poor economic capital, but some housing assets, few social contacts, and low highbrow and emerging cultural capital. Typical occupations include electrical and electronics technicians; care workers; cleaners; van drivers; electricians; residential, day, and domiciliary care [27] British Emergent service sector – American lower working class The emergent service sector, about 19% of British society, shows relatively poor economic capital, but reasonable household income, moderate social contacts, high emerging (but low highbrow) cultural capital. Typical occupations include bar staff, chefs, nursing auxiliaries and assistants, assemblers and routine operatives, care workers, elementary storage occupations, customer service occupations, musicians.[27] British Precariat – American upper proletarian class The precariat, about 15% of British society, shows poor economic capital, and the lowest scores on every other criterion. Typical occupations include cleaners, van drivers, care workers, carpenters and joiners, caretakers, leisure and travel service occupations, shopkeepers and proprietors, and retail cashiers. British ???? – American Lower proletarian class British ???? – American out-of-sight lower class.
The Four Middle Classes Criteria
To some degree these overlap considerably. But there is quite a bit of rotation in and out of the middle, even if there very little rotation out of the upper middle (professional class), lots of rotation out of the lower upper class (financiers and politicals) and upper-class (families who maintain excellence over many generations). So I use all four circles, and I tend to suggest that it’s all genetics, and it’s whether you succeed socially, occupationally, and economically that can change the appearance of what class you’re in. American culture is still fairly favorable for anyone in the middle class to move up socially, economically, and occupationally, and by offspring, some small chance, if you marry well, genetically. SUMMARY the middle class contains those people in the four middle class criteria, and divided by specialization into the people who persuade, people who trade, and people who defend limits.
(… individual rotation vs family and clan rotation)(… the difficulty in defeating the red queen) WHY SO LITTLE SOCIAL ROTATION? IT’S PRETTY MUCH ALL NATURE. –“If genetics dominates, then the persistence rate should be the same at the top and at the bottom of the social hierarchy. Moreover, endogamous social groups—groups whose members do not marry outside the group—will be completely persistent in their status, high or low. Groups that are on average high or low on the social scale will not succeed or fail socially because of any distinctive culture that they adopted. Instead their success or failure will be the result purely of their positive or negative selection from a larger population. The more distinctive they are now in social status, the smaller a share they will be of the descendants of their parent population.”– (INVOLUNTARY REDISTRIBUTION IS GENOCIDE) –“Only if genetics is the main element in determining economic success, if nature trumps nurture, is there a built-in mechanism that explains the observed regression. That mechanism is the intermarriage of the children of rich and educated lineages with successful, upwardly mobile children of poor and uneducated lineages. Even though there is strong assortative mating—because this is based on the social phenotype created in part by luck—those of higher-than-average innate talent tend to mate with those of lesser ability and regress to the mean. Similarly, those of lower-than-average innate talent tend to marry unlucky offspring of higher average innate talent.”– ITS ALL GENES – THE WORLD IS A MUCH FAIRER PLACE THAN IT SEEMS. –” 1) First, it means the world is a much fairer place than we intuit. Innate talent, not inherited privilege, is the main source of economic success. 2) Second, it suggests that the large investment made by the upper classes in the care and raising of their children is of no avail in preventing long-run downward mobility: the wealthy Manhattan attorneys who hire coaches for their toddlers to ensure placement in elite kindergartens cannot prevent the eventual regression of their descendants to the mean. 3) Third, government interventions to increase social mobility are unlikely to have much impact unless they affect the rate of intermarriage between levels of the social hierarchy and between ethnic groups. 4) Fourth, emphasis on racial, ethnic, and religious differences allows persistent social stratification through the barriers they create to this intermarriage. In order for a society to increase social mobility over the long run, it must achieve the cultural homogeneity that maximizes intermarriage rates between social groups. “– Justification. Dunning Kreuger. Envy. Reproductive Strategy. All guarantee that despite the fact his is true, it is in the lower majority’s interests to deny it. Unless we pay them well to have but one child, and punish them severely for having more. Personally I think that’s a pretty good deal. I’d have just one child if someone would pay me 10-20K a year for it, and would take it away if I had more. I don’t advocate redistribution for the purpose of equality. I advocate it for the purpose of suppressing breeding, and paying people to assist in the construction of property rights and the commons that facilitates the voluntary organization of production
The EIGHT Secrets of Western Civilization’s Success https://youtu.be/-YRtbV_t2g4 via @YouTube
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