Joy is an african american libertarian, who seems to be frustrated by my argument that there is nothing wrong with africa that six generations of one child policy wouldn’t fix. This isn’t a controversial statement – it’s true for any underdeveloped or developing people. This is our second or third go around. And I think her intellectual bias must be american. Because I tell this to africans all day every day as a way of saying “There is nothing wrong with you or your people except class sizes.” Yet when an american woman hears it she keeps trying to find some irrational racism that isn’t there. I’ve said the same thing for over ten years: the difference in races is neoteny and class size when combined with human ethnocentrism produces political conflict when living in proximity, that generates demand for different commons, different norms, redistribution and authoritarianism at the cost of the high trust civli society.
—Hi Curt, I know my opinion doesn’t mean anything to you…. You said you didn’t think there was anything wrong with black people but you do. You think white people evolved some ability to “create” truth that the rest of “farm animals” do not have. What does this mean? And please provide proof of it.
This is Joy, from Quora.”—
Ah, well, you’re confused. I said there is a difference in the size of the classes of different ethnic and racial groups. The size of the bottom burdens the top, who cannot lift the people using ‘Pareto Distributions of Assets’ (meaning market economies). I said white people have almost eliminated their bottom classes. And we have had a long time without bottom classes to eliminate bad behavior in our people in the rest of the classes.
As for truth, I say because of our history, only white people could develop scientific truth, and high trust societies because of it.
But I said that any people on earth that will limit the reproduction of the bottom will eventually be able to have the same high trust society as european people.
There is no difference between humans and the other animals we have domesticated. We are just animals like our farm animals.
—“I know what you said, but historically speaking even though white people have been responsible for most scientific discoveries, you cannot claim the ability to create truth is exclusive to them. Northern and Subsaharan Africans developed technologies smaller and slower than that of white people but still scientific regardless- as did Arabs and Asians although I suspect you consider them white. And as for the “high-trust” societies claim, do you mean democracy? Cos it’s a terrible idea that sounded great when it started but only went downhill. Many races have had civilizations and gods governing their philosophies- the Western world might be the most successful but that doesn’t mean the ability to detect those ideals was exclusive to them. However, I think we are operating on completely different levels of knowledge. You have worked on these philosophies for a good chunk of your life and I’m just getting started. As much as I approach everything in good faith, I don’t take kindly to my race being referred to as “farm animals” (you used this exclusively differentiating from white people) and undesirable but I can’t help but keep going down this rabbit hole.”—-
I didn’t make that claim. I made the claim that (a) europeans invented scientific truth (promissory, performative, realism, naturalism, operationalism) because we were a purely military social order (militia), and that is military epistemology. And we invented sovereignty (every man is sovereign and none is above him ever). With truth and sovereignty you can only have our laws of sovereignty, tort, reciprocity and jury. Our sciences evolved from the application of our the logic of our laws to our understanding of the universe. So the only means of organizing our people was markets (competition).
So we evolved genetically culturally institutionally and scientifically much, much, much faster than all other people combined – both in the prehistoric, in the ancient, and in the modern world. And when we are invaded we are as overwhelmed and fail like all other peoples fail. Because the bottom becomes too big for the top.
I didn’t refer to your race (or any race) as farm animals.
I said “We are just animals like our farm animals.” and we are self domesticated like we domesticated our farm animals. You might imply I stated others were farm animals when I stated all of us are indifferent from farm animals – domesticated.
I you want to take that approach of misstating my words, I’ll say that every race, including whites, has ‘farm animals’ because we are all farm animals – but that some races have far more farm animals than they can raise out of ignorance, superstition, criminality, corruption, and poverty. That’s comical version of saying the same thing: we self domesticated.
Which is what I say to all people in africa: there is nothing wrong with africa that six generations of one-child policy will not solve. This is africa’s only problem. It is not to say africans are inferior. it is to say that there are too many at the bottom for whom education in any technology is impossible.
This is just statistics. it’s not possible for the bottom to join the advanced world that requires independent learning. and that’s what IQ does. above 105 you start to be able to learn how to repair machines by reading instructions on your own. This is the minimum ability for modern economic survival in a global economy. The problem for africa and for many countries outside of africa is that there are many, many, people that are below that number. This is why china modernized faster than say india, the middle east, and africa.
Conversely, it is simply false to say that whites are not the most evolved genetic race, because we are the newest genetic race. We are just ten thousand years old. The primary difference in our race is a minor difference in agency (self control) because of substantial increase in neoteny (slowing the rate of maturity), that we evolved at the cost of emotional instability. Whites are less emotionally stable and more agreeable and introverted. Africans are less agreeable but more extroverted. These differences are small but there are differences. In general, inability to develop neoteny is the problem for the african races: the territory is extremely hostile because of the presence of disease – so rapid maturity was necessary for survival. This rapid maturity has consequences in behavioral development versus more neotenous races, which is well documented in the literature, and visible in all african populations. So between the geography, the distance from major trade routes, the vast size of the lower classes, and faster rates of maturity (and deeper maturity), and the lack of far eastern or western manorialism (eugenic farming) africa’s population distribution is less favorable to advanced development. That says nothing about individual africans and everything about the size of the classes in african countries.
The only difference between the smartest africans (usually Ghana and Nigeria) and europeans jews and asians, is minor differences in our verbal and spatial abilities, and the rate at which we can continue learning into older age. However, it is not our best people that determine our fate. It is the number at the bottom that prevents the best people from improving the condition of the rest.
Now don’t say you can’t understand that and therefore confirm everyone’s bias. ok?
My job is to tell the truth that no one else will so that we solve the problem rather than develop cyclones of lies that just make us all angry.