—“One of the common themes we see from some people who countersignal us is often they seem to pooh-pooh law as a solution and think that everything can be solved with some sort of aesthetic or spiritual movement. These guys are often young. I see them as just looking for a solution within a frame they understand and that is intuitive to them. In contrast to some of the more mature people who have a spiritual bent but also recognize the importance of punishment (law) and that not everything can be accomplished only with persuasion.”— John Mark