—“The reason Christianity spread is that until then the underclasses and women had no means of obtaining virtue.”–CD
–“Um, no. It may be a reason, but certainly not THE reason.”—Matt Lawlor
P-GRAMMAR: THE ZEROTH PERSON: CAUSALITY
You are illustrating a fundamental problem we must overcome by over-communication.
And that is the ‘grammar’s point of view’ that we choose: (a) the involuntary physical incentives to pursue an opportunity (P-Logic), with (b) the awareness of that incentive experienced as emotions and imagination, and (c) the rationalization (excuse, explanation) for why we did it.
In school we are taught english grammar of the point of view (POV) that consists of the first person “I”, second person “you” third person “he, she”.
But the “zeroth” person exists: and that’s incentives – the physical laws of the universe and the pre-consious, mechanical instincts that force us to adhere to physical laws of the universe: the conservation of, identification of, and exploitation of differences in energy.
And when we speak in P-Law, we speak in the ‘fourth person’: as a narrator of P-logic, free of emotions and imagination, and free of rationalizations, excuses and explanations.
P-Logic, and P-Law convert language, psychology, sociology, ethics, politics, group strategy into the language of physics. That’s why we’ve unified all the sciences in a value-neutral universally commensurable language.
It’s also why it’s very difficult. Because it requires mental and emotional agency to accomplish it.
- So we have people who come to P to master that language and understanding of the world. (Intellectual)
- We have people who come to P to understand the success of their civilization and find emotional reward in it. (Emotional)
- We have people who come to P as an agent of change that is merely in their interests whether they understand the civilizational or technical bodies of thought. (Political)
- We have people who come to P because of the policies that would radically change our world for the better. (Practical)
I would prefer that everyone chose the latter reason so that I and a few supergeeks could continue our work on science, law, economics, education, and religion.
But political pressure given demographic collapse, the end of the European age of advantage, and the end of the anglo empires, has put us in a period where only an intellectual solution can solve our problems, and only an anti-intellectual body of people can bring a solution into being.
And given that the North American continent is the most military-economic-strategic geography on earth, and that without it we cannot defend either Anglodom or broader Europa, we must win the battle here first – or lose it here first – for the benefit of all.
Thus, our challenge – our profound challenge – to save our civilization, our race, and perhaps mankind, from extinction, a possible dark age, and worse, failing to pass the great filter, by because we must teach the common folk how to win, in a short period of time, when their natural instincts are to do everything possible to continue to lose.
-Curt Doolittle
In Response to this Post by Brandon Hayes
The Masculinization of Christianity: Forbearance
FORBEARANCE NOT TOLERANCEBy: Eric Danelaw
Any religion must produce Mindfulness (Self), Humility (Others), Piety (The Universe). The Best religion produces Excellence (investment), Truth (word), Reciprocity (action), Duty (Compensation), Charity (Insurance).
The reason christianity spread is that until then the underclasses and women had no means of obtaining virtue.
Christianity provides virtue or the illusion of virtue, even if you do nothing except refrain from doing bad.
2 – CHRISTIANITY, PRISONERS DILEMMA, AND FORBEARANCEBy: Luke Weinhagen via: Curt Doolittle
Jesus represents the active statefulness of Christianity for the virtue of forgiveness.
“Exhaustive forgiveness (tit-for-tat) solves the prisoner’s dilemma game. In other words, it is the optimum strategy for identifying and sorting the pervasively immoral from the potentially moral. In almost all cases, including the most addicted and criminal, people who are not otherwise mentally ill, will eventually fall to ‘seduction’ into cooperation.”
Passive statefulness is how the parasite leverages a high-trust group’s virtues against itself. Passive is poison. Tolerance is the passive statefulness of the virtue forgiveness, tolerance must be endured – which is why the left loves it. It exposes our empathy to the parasites. Christianity fails where it makes excuses for sin and shortcomings and endures their effects – tolerance.
Forbearance is the active state of the virtue “forgiveness”. It is active, meaning it can be withdrawn should violations of reciprocity occur. Forgiveness is important as it is the only way to preserve trust in a high-trust group through the reality of human imperfection and accomodating graceful failure at scale.
Christianity succeeds where it specifically and intentionally acknowledges sin and shortcomings and then forgives – forbearance.
Also:
I use Tolerance to mean allowing costs to be assessed against non-consenting parties as ambiguity makes it unclear what additional party is specifically responsible for costs. It is a passive state. No agency.
I use Forbearance to mean I intentionally take responsibility for the cost to allow someone else not to (ex. my children, my disabled kin, my employee that has not matured fully yet). It is an active state. Allows agency.
Furthermore:
Where are you (your Church/belief/community) accepting of others living outside of the model of Christ without repentance?
“Repentance is the activity of reviewing one’s actions and feeling contrition or regret for past wrongs, which is accompanied by a commitment to and actual actions that show and prove a change for the better.” – it does not change your mind, it changes your behavior – it is a change in mindfulness itself.
Repentance is the Christian restoration of agency over action, over self. Even hanging from the cross his message to the thief was – own your actions. Do not seek the acknowledgment of your excuses. restore mindfulness. You can not be forgiven for what you did not do of your own accord, so own your choices and repent and you are forgiven.
How much of the application of faith today offers “forgiveness” to those who do not yet own their actions? This is not the virtuous forgiveness of forbearance – it can not be – it is tolerance. You literally can nor forbear a sin that has not been owned in repentance – you can only tolerate as ownership has not been claimed.
From the perspective of costs:
– Actions have associated costs.
– Immoral action imposes involuntary costs on others.
– Tolerance allows these costs to go unclaimed.
– Forbearance requires the costs to be claimed.
– Repentance is the claim of ownership over costs an individual previously imposed on others.
– Restitution is the covering of costs by the individual that created the costs.
– Forbearance is the cover of costs by anyone, not the individual that created the costs
– Forgiveness bridges the gap when an individual imposed a cost on others, acknowledges ownership of that cost, but can not cover the costs either because they are unable or the cost is one that can not be restored
– Virtuous forgiveness is forbearance, it covers the cost without any loss of ownership nor ambiguity of ownership.
Extending “forgiveness” to unowned costs (tolerance – passive, unowned forgiveness) leaves the effects of the involuntary imposition of those costs in place (a cost itself under full-accounting) – that goes unclaimed – which is immoral. Tolerance (passive) engaged in by anyone capable of agency is immoral.
In order to own forgiveness (active state), what must be forgiven must also be owned (active state).
THE CENTER(READ: FENCE SITTERS) HOLD ONTO TOLERANCEBy: Bill Joslin
This opens up a whole other conversation – the centre holds onto tolerance because tolerance is passive. Those lacking agency can participate in tolerance while ignoring limits (because they don’t have the agency to enforce limits, by ignoring limits they can stay in denial of their lack of agency)
Forbearance include tolerance, limits (until the cost one was willing carried has been exceeded), and active participation – its a choice which one can boycott/defect based on the cost carried.
FORBEARANCE NOT TOLERANCEby Brandon Hayes
Those without agency tolerate. But, this tolerance isn’t a choice {if it were it’d be active and we’d call it forbearance}; it’s a signal. One that can only be flashed because it grants safety from the hoard(herd); meaning purporting you’re tolerant leaves you less likely to be attacked by those who claim tolerance is a virtue, as well as, lowering the chance you are targeted by the out-groups you’re favoring.
However, as with most everything that is passive in nature. Time has something to say about its longevity. You can only tolerate for so long. Tolerance through time becomes intolerance; ALWAYS. It never doesn’t. Cause how could it. Because tolerance is passive it lacks any and all control. And that which is out of your control yet with-in your purview and impacting upon your being causes stress.
Tolerance is a ticking time-bomb. One you can learn to disarm.
So, if tolerance is a cunning back-door virtue that perverts cultural pursuits; what are we to do with that which we currently tolerate? Change your frame.
Begin to CHOOSE whether or not you’ll forbear (that’s invest into) anything you’ve been previously tolerating (allowing to unfurl passively because you thought it was virtuous).
Concrete example:
Understand: if you’re a mother that you have no need to tolerate your children’s behavior, because you have power (control) over them; you’re forbearing for their behavior. Ask yourself if that forbearance is a worthwhile investment; many times it’s not.
Example 2: “Accept things that you can’t change.”
No! Those that run this line of argument want to keep you powerless; begging for assistance to move through life whilst they extract from you what you’ve earned. They are masters demanding that you tolerate your chains. I say shed your chains. You’ve forbear (invest) for them at your peril.
If you can’t change something that ought to be changed; then you gather the men and tools needed to change said thing and you get to fucking work. “Accept things you can’t change” is for drug addicts, children, prisoners, and slaves.
Men; you’ve tolerated wrongly long enough. This upending of virtue, of which forbearance(akin to exhausting forgiveness) is one, has cost us more than can be calculated proper.
Understand that our era of tolerance is over; and if it’s not to end with a new understanding of forbearance as intelligent investment choice for that which we don’t understand (is different); then it’ll end with the culling of tolerance (the enactment of zero tolerance and violence).
Followed by this:
—“Can you just sum this up for me in super simple terms?”–
Tolerance is a crime of failing to take responsibility for enough is enough. Forbearance is investiment wherein you take responsibility for when enough is enough.
—“People confuse conviencince (tolerance) with conviction (forbearance)” — Margrethe II, Queen of Denmark
Tolerance = Irresponsibility for saying ‘enough’.
Forbearance = Responsibility for saying ‘enough’.
We have had enough.
The second point which no christian yet has addressed, is how jesus compelled us to action, and churcianity to self reflection.
Christianity without action is just irresponsibility.
Most christians use christianity to abandon responsibilty for all but the self. When Jesus’s exhortation was that we must perform acts of christian charity in order to improve the world.
Repenting is immaterial without Restitution.
Faith without action that takes responsibility for the world is just irresponsibility.