“I am beginning to see the other side of the argument more clearly, though. It’s

—“I am beginning to see the other side of the argument more clearly, though. It’s not ‘lying’. If a value system survives the Darwinian test, then it is useful or ‘true enough’. So far as I can tell, p13m isn’t able to provide us with the top level values, unless maybe that value is agency/sovereignty.”— William Butchman

Is agency (transcendence). Sovereignty, natural law, and markets in everything are the way to get there. REALLY. In reality. not as a lie.

And I do understand why you want to make exceptions for lies of convenience, but when you do, you open the door for lies of parasitism and destruction. The west has been destroyed twice now through (a) judeo-christianity, and (b) jewish pseudoscience.

I just don’t think it’s necessary to claim that which is GOOD is TRUE. It is not. Just as what is preferable is not GOOD. It is just preferable.

I think that it is possible to find binding narratives as did the ancients in our literature. Homer, Arthur, Neibelungelied. Alexander, Caesar, … the lot of them. The scientists. The saints. Why is it we need lies when we have truths with which to say the same things?

Will people visit a church (school, academy, property registry, insurer of last resort) if they are taught the semitic lies? Or will they if they are taught our law, and our narratives, and our literature to support them.

There is no reason that the books that make up the west, are not just as possible to select (and eliminate) as were the books of the bible, or the verses of any other religion.

The counter is to say that the west has no worthy literature of its own.

Paganism survived until the 1500’s in northern europe.