Theme: Truth

  • PROPERTARIANISM IS FALSIFIABLE BUT VERY DIFFICULT TO FALSIFY —“Since you pride

    PROPERTARIANISM IS FALSIFIABLE BUT VERY DIFFICULT TO FALSIFY

    —“Since you pride yourself in being honest, may I ask what exactly one would have to prove in order to fully refute Propertarianism?”—Josef Kalinin

    —(Quoting Curt): “And my argument is that the west invented Truth coherent with reality and a social order also coherent with reality, and that this is the reason for our military, political, economic, scientific, and intellectual competitiveness.”— Nick Zito

    —“Property En-Toto & Acquisitionism is quite central to the entire Propertarian framework. Provide a substantive refute of these and you may cause a dent. You can find the full scoped definitions of these at Propertarianism.com”—Nick Zito

    ^ What he said. In addition, add reciprocity and reasonableness(rationality) of choice. both of which i think are nearly impossible to refute.

    The reason it’s falsifiable but difficult to falsify is that it’s not so much a model as a description of constant relations from physics through sentience. Three points test a line so to speak, and the more points the more certain the line.

    1) The Grammars(metaphysics), 2) Acquisitionism + Property in Toto (psychology), 3) Propertarianism (Sociology), and 4) Natural Law of Reciprocity (Cooperation) are falsifiable but extremely difficult to falsify.

    Even if we state how it can be done by stating the premises(dependencies) those premises are extremely difficult to falsify. The reason being that they are continuously consistent, correspondent, possible, and coherent with everything we know to date.

    I mean… that was my objective. A scientific language of cooperation (ethics, morality, law, politics, group strategy)


    Source date (UTC): 2018-07-09 13:20:00 UTC

  • PROPERTARIANISM IS FALSIFIABLE BUT VERY DIFFICULT TO FALSIFY —“Since you pride

    PROPERTARIANISM IS FALSIFIABLE BUT VERY DIFFICULT TO FALSIFY

    —“Since you pride yourself in being honest, may I ask what exactly one would have to prove in order to fully refute Propertarianism?”—Josef Kalinin

    —(Quoting Curt): “And my argument is that the west invented Truth coherent with reality and a social order also coherent with reality, and that this is the reason for our military, political, economic, scientific, and intellectual competitiveness.”— Nick Zito

    —“Property En-Toto & Acquisitionism is quite central to the entire Propertarian framework. Provide a substantive refute of these and you may cause a dent. You can find the full scoped definitions of these at Propertarianism.com http://Propertarianism.com “—Nick Zito

    ^ What he said. In addition, add reciprocity and reasonableness(rationality) of choice. both of which i think are nearly impossible to refute.

    The reason it’s falsifiable but difficult to falsify is that it’s not so much a model as a description of constant relations from physics through sentience. Three points test a line so to speak, and the more points the more certain the line.

    1) The Grammars(metaphysics), 2) Acquisitionism + Property in Toto (psychology), 3) Propertarianism (Sociology), and 4) Natural Law of Reciprocity (Cooperation) are falsifiable but extremely difficult to falsify.

    Even if we state how it can be done by stating the premises(dependencies) those premises are extremely difficult to falsify. The reason being that they are continuously consistent, correspondent, possible, and coherent with everything we know to date.

    I mean… that was my objective. A scientific language of cooperation (ethics, morality, law, politics, group strategy)


    Source date (UTC): 2018-07-09 13:20:00 UTC

  • GRAMMARS: Myths > Fictionalisms > Literatures (fictions) > Histories > Sciences

    GRAMMARS: Myths > Fictionalisms > Literatures (fictions) > Histories > Sciences > Logics > Senses

    The continuous recursive disambiguation of reality, from the most intuitionistic and subjective measurements, to the most non-intuitive and objective measurements.

    All speech consists of weights and measures. We just constantly improve our weights and measures.

    Parsimony(a fully accounted consistency, correspondence, possibility, and coherence) consists of the true names of the categories of the universe.

    They are just very costly and time consuming for humans to discover.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-07-09 13:05:00 UTC

  • So far, every argument every person has made against Propertarianism (Natural La

    So far, every argument every person has made against Propertarianism (Natural Law under Acquisitionism, Propertarianism, and Testimonialism) is trying to do nothing other than engage in persuasion by deception, rather than truthful, fully informed, productive, warrantied, exchange.

    “What can I get away with” is just an excuse. That’s what ‘justificationism means’

    There is only one question. If you won’t or can’t argue testimonials, then the only reasons are fraud, evasion of due diligence and liability (warranty), or both.

    It’s not complicated.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-07-09 12:53:00 UTC

  • 1) Huh. Pretty elaborate straw man. (a) monkeys on typewriters is a hyperbolic t

    1) Huh. Pretty elaborate straw man. (a) monkeys on typewriters is a hyperbolic thought experiment: Infinite time, Infinite monkeys, infinite typewriters, infinite paper, infinite storage of the results, and infinite review of their work product are all impossible presuppositions.

    2) However, mathematics and sets are ideals not reals, and monkeys on typewriters are ideals not reals, and in the same way we can model mathematical infinities (operations on constant relations) we can model any set of Ludic (fixed set of references) operations.

    3) So conflating the ideal (math, monkeys on typewriters) with the real( operations existential in space-time), is a fallacy, and constructing arguments from that fallacy a straw man (deception or fraud.)

    4) that said, in the ideal model, some set of characters (~50), randomly generated (randomness is actually a hard problem in itself) will eventually produce the works of shakepeare…

    5) and an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters would do so in the time it it takes to type the number of characters that constitute the works of shakespeare. In other words, the time such a thing would take would be rather short.

    6) So while shakespear’s production of that prose took just shy of 14 billion years in a universe governed by what appear to be just sixteen forces and what appears to be one substance – just at different density and excitement – ideal monkeys would take only days to produce it.

    7) the reason being that we don’t have to evolve monkeys, paper, ribbon, ink, typewriters, and the ability to imagine and model ideal conditions in order to start work on the project. (See Nine Billion Names of God by Clarke.)

    8) So shakespear’s works were not created – they evolved out of sixteen basic forces of the universe and the one ‘whatever’ that space time is made from. Just as all else in the universe evolves from those very few rules in nearly infinite scale.

    9) Abrahamic religion and all arguments thereof, depend upon two sophisms we call ‘Pilpul and Critique’. They took greek innovations (idealism) and instead of trying to understand the world, tried to impose hosts of lies on the world. We are very vulnerable to these sophisms.

    10) Believers in the religions who employ the sophisms of pilpul and critique invented to justify jewish law, are addicts no less than any other drug user is an addict. That’s the genius of that religion. It produces an addiction response to lying.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-07-09 11:28:00 UTC

  • NO MORE ABRAHAMISM, BECAUSE: NO MORE LIES My position is very simple, always and

    NO MORE ABRAHAMISM, BECAUSE: NO MORE LIES

    My position is very simple, always and everywhere: (a) no more falsehoods, (b) the great civilizations of the ancient world were destroyed by these falsehoods. (c) this same method of creating falsehoods has been recreated in the modern world as marxism-socialism-postmodernism-feminism-freudianism – boazianism; and the very same technique of lies, propaganda, begging tolerance while being flooded with insurgents and opponents has been used today. So fool me once, shame on you (abrahamists), and fool me twice, shame on me.

    All groups may need certain social goods, and we may classify those social goods as religion – while I would classify them as education, oath, ritual, feast, and festival. This is just training that includes mindfulness, manners, ethics, morals, traditions, group strategy, histories (rules of cooperation). whereas we have separated civic training (religious training) from occupational training (the use of the grammars of the universe), that is completely unnecessary.

    The two changed because the church failed to reform (repeatedly) and the secular (education) developed as a competitor to the church (education),.

    There is no reason education – particularly mindfulness (spirituality) – need be constructed of lies – which is evident from the civilizations who were never destroyed by monotheism.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-07-09 11:00:00 UTC

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status. RULE OF THE SOVEREIGN If the Truth is not eno

    Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    RULE OF THE SOVEREIGN

    If the Truth is not enough, and therefore law is not enough, then you are weak, and lack the agency necessary for demands of reciprocity between sovereigns. As such you may not rule, or govern, and may have only liberty(capital), freedom(property), and subsidy(insurance), by permission, as the sovereign see fit. And you may purchase liberty, freedom, subsidy, and defense under the natural law of sovereigns, by acts of and military and civic defense of the commons, civil contribution by payment of fees, and the reciprocal defense of the subsidy, property, and liberty of peers.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-07-08 20:15:38 UTC

  • Theology(Supernatural), Philosophy(Ideal), and Pseudoscience(Magical) are nothin

    Theology(Supernatural), Philosophy(Ideal), and Pseudoscience(Magical) are nothing more than creative fictions used by generations of frauds to circumvent the law (real).

    Zero Tolerance. Violence. Natural Law. White Sharia.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-07-08 20:05:28 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1016050657332203523

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status. ANSWERING A CRITIC 1) —“Are you saying Trut

    Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    ANSWERING A CRITIC

    1) —“Are you saying Truth does not exist?”—

    Well, I claim that without perfect knowledge of the universe it is quite difficult to know if we speak the Truth (the most parsimonious description possible). We may in fact speak truthfully and ‘the truth’ but we can never know so other than under reductio (trivial and irrelevant) criterial.

    (See Popper: Critical Rationalism, Critical Preference, and the analytic movement’s discovery that closure all but doesn’t exist.)

    2) —“Discredited”—

    You state that something I’ve said is discredited but not what. As far as I know I *cannot* err by asserting this series of statements above: that testimony can only insure that it’s warrantied against ignorance, error, bias, fraud, and deceit. One can testify truthfully because of due diligence, but one can never know he speaks ‘the truth’ (an ideal).

    Means, motive, opportunity, method of argument.

    3) SPEECH: TRANSACTIONS (Phrases, Sentences) PRODUCING CONTRACTS FOR MEANING (Stories).

    Speech is only consequential in a contract for meaning with others. Speech only evolves as a consequence of the search for contracts of meaning with others.

    4) TRUTH (DECIDABILITY) IS A MATTER OF LAW.

    Truth is a matter of law, and the grammars we call logics, mathematics, science, description, and narrative only assist us in the process of creating associations, followed by the process of disambiguation and deflation so that we can then eliminate ignorance error bias and deceit.

    Religious ‘truth’ and “philosophical truth’ are not in fact ‘truth’ but methods of either asserting a falsehood by justification (philosophical) or by authority (religious). As such they are universally statements of COMMAND FOR CONFORMITY (obedience).

    Or stated more pejoratively: Law asks we warranty our words or face restitution and punishment. Religion and Philosophy make excuses (deceits) such that speakers can AVOID warranty of their words (liability for deceits).

    There are only three means of coercion available to man:
    force, trade, and speech(deception).

    5) TRUTH (DECIDABILITY) SPECTRUM

    [T]AUTOLOGICAL TRUTH: That testimony you give when you promising the equality of two statements using different terms: A circular definition, a statement of equality or a statement of identity.

    [A]NALYTIC TRUTH: The testimony you give promising the internal consistency of one or more statements used in the construction of a proof in an axiomatic(declarative) system. (a Logical Truth).

    [I]DEAL TRUTH: That testimony (description) you would give, if your knowledge (information) was complete, your language was sufficient, stated without error, cleansed of bias, and absent deceit, within the scope of precision limited to the context of the question you wish to answer; and the promise that another possessed of the same knowledge (information), performing the same due diligence, having the same experiences, would provide the same testimony. (Ideal Truth = Perfect Parsimony.)

    [T]RUTHFULNESS: that testimony (description) you give if your knowledge (information) is incomplete, your language is insufficient, you have performed due diligence in the elimination of error, imaginary content, wishful thinking, bias, and deceit; within the scope of precision limited to the question you wish to answer; and which you warranty to be so; and the promise that another possessed of the knowledge, performing the same due diligence, having the same experiences, would provide the same testimony.

    [H]ONESTY: that testimony (description) you give with full knowledge that knowledge is incomplete, your language is insufficient, but you have not performed due diligence in the elimination of error and bias, but which you warranty is free of deceit; within the scope of precision limited to the question you wish to answer; and the promise that another possess of the same knowledge (information), performing the same due diligence, having the same experiences, would provide the same testimony.

    6) DEMAND FOR DECIDABILITY

    True enough to imagine a conceptual relationship
    True enough for me to feel good about myself.
    True enough for me to take actions that produce positive results.
    True enough for me to not cause others to react negatively to me.
    True enough to resolve a conflict without subjective opinion among my fellow people with similar values.
    True enough to resolve a conflict without subjective opinion across different peoples with different values.
    True regardless of all opinions or perspectives.
    Tautologically true: in that the two things are equal.

    7) WHAT DOES TRUTH MEAN? (AND WHAT IS ITS ADJECTIVE FORM?)

    Truth can only mean ‘descriptive testimony free of error, bias, suggestion, obscurantism and deceit’. In other words, speech, the semantic content of which corresponds with reality.

    One speaks truthfully, or untruthfully , or honestly or dishonestly.

    To be precise, one speaks honestly not having done due diligence, nor warrantying one’s speech. One speaks truthfully having done due diligence, and warrantying one’s speech.

    So you might speak honestly – not having done due diligence on your speech. But that is not the same as speaking truthfully – having done due diligence on your speech. So you might give your honest opinion, but that differs from doing diligence that such an opinion survives criticism – meaning correspondence.

    Both the physical sciences and law specialize in the art of due diligence. As an extension of law, anglo analytic philosophy attempts to specialize in the art of due diligence. Strangely, continental philosophy does the opposite.

    But if speaking truthfully requires that we perform due diligence, and warranty our speech, then how does one perform such due diligence? How do we test correspondence? In the most simple of terms, a truth statement must be:
    – categorically consistent (non conflationary)
    – internally consistent (logical),
    – externally correspondent (empirical),
    – operationally possible (existentially possible),
    – coherent categorically, internally, externally, and operationally (consistent across all tests)
    – fully accounted (you haven’t cherry picked cause and/or consequence)
    And if you want to claim it’s ethical and moral (and objectively legal):
    – rational: consisting of nothing but a series of fully rational choices
    – reciprocal: consisting of nothing other than productive, fully informed, warrantied, voluntary exchanges free of imposition upon others by externality.

    We use the word ‘Truth’ in many, many contexts. Most of them somewhere between a convenience and a dishonesty. True, honest, logical, and good are independent concepts frequently conflated to attribute authority where it is absent.

    8) CLOSING
    And given that I have been doing this for a very long time, I’m more than certain that you would have actually constructed some form of argument by now if you could – because capable people do so.  

    I am a scientist (prosecutor) and philosophers and theologians are nothing more than snake oil salesmen selling harmful products that we have not yet outlawed from the market.

    Which is easily fixed.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-07-08 19:54:39 UTC

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status. —“I’m a philosopher and you can’t prove tha

    Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    —“I’m a philosopher and you can’t prove that [insert random anti-religious statement]”— Some Well Meaning Fool.

    Well, let us play a game then. Because while you state are a philosopher, I state that I am a scientist specializing in testimony (Truth).

    And that means that proofs (tests of internal consistency in axiomatic and therefore declaratives systems) only assist us in falsification outside of reductio (trivial) conditions. And that justificationism in philosophy and theology in all its forms is a sophism for the purpose of deception.

    And that tests of truth in existential systems (hypothesis, theory, law) require due diligence against ignorance, error, bias, and deceit. And that fablsificationism in all its forms (science and law) evolved for the purpose of defeating deceptions.

    And that the possible dimensions of criticism we are aware of are consistency, correspondence, existential(operational) possibility, rational choice (volition), reciprocity, completeness, parsimony, and coherence.

    In other words, while in textual interpretation, scriptural argument, and application of extant law, one justifies a proposition, one does not and cannot prove a statement – instead we seek to falsify propositions and test whether it survives criticism.

    My assertion is:
    (a) that one cannot testify to the existence of a creator;
    (b) that one cannot testify that the works attributed to a creator are not fictions and fictionalisms (lies);
    (c) that those who created and perpetuated those lies had motives for spreading those lies, and;
    (d) that the consequences of spreading those lies has been the cause of the thousand year dark age, the destruction of the five great civilizations of the ancient world, and the death of somewhere between half a billion and a billion people;
    (e) that the argumentative technique invented in order to perpetuate those lies (sophisms), in both via positiva (pilpul and justificationism, using idealism and supernaturalism, with promise of reward/thread of lost opportunity) and via negativa (critique using loading, framing, obscurantism, overloading, suggestion, straw manning, and heaping of undue praise) are open to scientific measurement which defines them as successful methods of deception,
    (f) that Boazian anthropology, Freudian psychology, Cantorian Infinities, Marxist History, Economics, and Sociology, Scientific socialism, Feminism, and postmodernism, all make use of this same technique, this time with pseudoscience as a substitute for supernaturalism, and economic and political reward as a substitute for reward in current or afterlife.
    (g) And that only warranty of due diligence under the available dimensions of human action: consistency, correspondence, existential(operational) possibility, rational choice (volition), reciprocity, completeness, parsimony, and coherence (Testimony), can defend an assertion (proposition, argument) against ignorance, error, bias, fraud, and deceit, and the spread of consequences thereof.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-07-08 18:35:06 UTC