Theme: Truth

  • YES WE NEED ORDER RATHER THAN CHAOS (from Gab) —“Jefferson? We don’t need free

    YES WE NEED ORDER RATHER THAN CHAOS
    (from Gab)

    —“Jefferson? We don’t need freedom, we need order”–
    @alternative_right

    Yes, but what order?

    1. Order of Truth, Science, Law and… https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=450092545587641&id=100017606988153


    Source date (UTC): 2019-08-17 14:09:00 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1162728033821908992

  • “The rhetorical mirror of argumentative playback. How do you know what someone b

    —“The rhetorical mirror of argumentative playback. How do you know what someone believes if they fail to apply their espoused ideals to themselves once they hold the Power?”—by Skye StewartUpdated Aug 17, 2019, 1:10 PM


    Source date (UTC): 2019-08-17 13:10:00 UTC

  • YES WE NEED ORDER RATHER THAN CHAOS (from Gab) —“Jefferson? We don’t need free

    YES WE NEED ORDER RATHER THAN CHAOS

    (from Gab)

    —“Jefferson? We don’t need freedom, we need order”–

    @alternative_right

    Yes, but what order?

    1. Order of Truth, Science, Law and productive cooperation? (Rule of Law – Competition between men under the law of reciprocity.)

    2. Or order of Lies, Supernaturalism, Scripture and Parasitism – Rule by men? (Rule by Church Men – Priests)

    3. Or order of Fraud, Pseudoscience, Sophism and Parasitism – rule by men? (Rule by Dishonest Men – “You Know Who”)

    4. Or order of Force, Command, Whim, and Parasitism – rule by man? (Rule by Forceful Men – Military )

    Let me explain Jefferson’s context.

    1. The Aristocratic order (taxation force),

    2. The Priestly Order(lies, obedience and Tithes) and

    3. The Commercial order (truth, tort, and trade).

    His understanding was natural law

    Natural law by rule of law.

    Rule of law producing a commercial order.

    A commercial order is a voluntary order.

    An order of meritocracy.

    Meritocracy meaning Natural Aristocracy.

    We haven’t replaced it with socializing.

    We’ve replaced it with DISORDER.

    We can have our order but we cannot have it by the simple means you intuit. Rules must exist, and rules free of human ‘discretion’ because in the end all human discretion ‘swims left’.

    Jefferson was (correctly) trying to create a THIRD WAY, free of the parasitism of the state and church – who were both tremendous parasites that kept our people in ignorance and poverty.

    The Enemy can bed defeated by law and prosecution without planting the seeds of another enemy.

    The natural law is the best civic religion ever invented by man.

    The natural law, the stoic method, and the Epicurean goals are the optimum personal religion.

    The Five Rules of Christianity, if limited to Kin, are the optimum method of producing harmony.

    The only cost one bears under the natural law is christian forgiveness.

    And Aryan Intolerance.

    Every Man a Sheriff.


    Source date (UTC): 2019-08-17 10:08:00 UTC

  • Do you mean speaking the truth has been criminalized?

    Do you mean speaking the truth has been criminalized?


    Source date (UTC): 2019-08-16 22:20:48 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1162489412527230976

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  • @wilowor rationally = honestly

    @wilowor
    rationally = honestly


    Source date (UTC): 2019-08-16 19:51:55 UTC

    Original post: https://gab.com/curtd/posts/102628400531120740

  • Why should anyone apologize for the truth?

    Why should anyone apologize for the truth?


    Source date (UTC): 2019-08-16 19:25:09 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1162445209634037760

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    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1162396127762747393


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    Correction: Trump did not apologize, a White House official tells me. He phoned the supporter, left him a message thanking him for his support, but did not use the words “sorry” or “apologize.” https://t.co/0G32RSHI1G

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1162396127762747393

  • A NOTE ON ARGUMENT – A SUBSTITUTION FOR VIOLENCE Nov 2009 Paine, We have free sp

    A NOTE ON ARGUMENT – A SUBSTITUTION FOR VIOLENCE
    Nov 2009

    Paine,

    We have free speech, logic and rhetoric so that we may make arguments, not a polysyllabic variant of ten year old girls trading insults.

    I realize that you may resort to these tactics because you are incapable of seeking a truth via argument. I also realize that you post sufficiently in this forum with a small number of other apologists, that you feel justified in your alternate reality, and lack of intellectual rigor. But that does not mean that you are contributing to the dialog, or conducting an argument.

    Altruism is incalculable (as in unknowable), and does not allow multiple people to cooperate QUANTITATIVELY toward any end requiring risk and action, nor in measuring and understanding outcomes, and it’s result does not produce status differentiation, which is a necessary component of the mating ritual. You are applying the method of the family wherein altruistic actions are perceptible and create an economy of altruistic exchange, rather than the economy wherein such exchanges are imperceptible, and therefore, absent a currency that allows measurement.

    Calculable ends are not just a matter of preference but of necessity. Status attainment is not just a matter of preference but of necessity. Incentives are not just a matter of preference but of necessity. And the management of the worlds resources in time and space is not a matter of preference but of necessity, since the velocity of that set of exchanges and application in the fulfillment of human needs and wants is just as important as the volume of them.

    In effect you are simply immature, and are applying the epistemological processes of the family to the extended order of human beings, when numerically, you cannot KNOW about large numbers of people what you can KNOW about a family.

    Marx was effectively a luddite. And you are as well. We are only similar to one another as farmers and tribal hunter gatherers. But in a vast division of knowledge and labor spread across billions we are increasingly unequal in ability, when ability is judged as the increase in production that decreases prices, and the voluntary coordination of people so that they can act to reduce prices. We can redistribute some of these rewards, as long as the process of doing so is CALCULABLE enough so that status, incentive, and individual calculability are maintained. But we cannot be ‘fair’ as you mean it, because that kind of fairness is not possible to know, comprehend, or calculate. Most often class warriors like yourself simply seek to create a status among their peers by political means that cannot be established by material means.

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    Source date (UTC): 2019-08-16 12:02:48 UTC

    Original post: https://gab.com/curtd/posts/102626555839185831

  • **Notes On “Adam’s Fallacy: A Guide To Economic Theology”** April 13th, 2010 I’v

    **Notes On “Adam’s Fallacy: A Guide To Economic Theology”**

    April 13th, 2010

    I’ve purchased two books, this one “Adam’s Fallacy: A Guide To Economic Theology”, as well as “Economics As Religion: From Samuelson to Chicago and Beyond”. There are any number of books on this theme.

    Note: This book was a waste of time and money. It is a silly marxist pamphlet. I can summarize it as “poor people breed too much and capitalism doesn’t care” when in fact, capitalism simply makes it very expensive to have children and those who breed irresponsibly are punished abstractly by enduring poverty rather than forced by village and tribal elders to leave their child exposed and dead. The vast silliness of the logic in this book is unworthy of further commentary.

    I’m surprised that this notion of economic religion is not more commonly discussed in the venal press. But it is too valuable a tool of those who wish to empower a democratic state and it’s politicians who are, quite frankly, at a loss to apply something other than the practicalities of getting elected, or the mysticisms of our founding documents, christian religion, or marxian fantasy.

    I start with Adam’s Fallacy.

    Using the KIndle edition on a mac, and therefore cannot annotate in place, and am not sure of page numbers. (This is a problem we need to fix, because we’re going to increasingly use dynamic text, which requires paragraph numbering not page numbering. Anyone remember wordperfect versus word?)

    PREFACE

    I am not sure I buy the argument that smith created a fallacy by separating market life from personal life. The Wealth Of Nations (TWON) is only the second half of his philosophy. the first is The Theory Of Moral Sentiments. (TOMS) They together represent his insight that the division of labor increases production and that human sentiments to cooperation at both the intimate, interpersonal, local, social and global level. While we are only in the preface, I’m not sure I buy the assumption because it’s too loose an assertion. Instead, I blame Knight and Keynes. Smith is nothing but a moral philosopher.

    “Contemporary economics has grown into a major intellectual industry” I hope this is elaborated further because it’s the the same problem presented by the clergy. People depend on perpetuating the faith.

    “Teaching economics reinforces the world view I call Adam’s Fallacy”. I don’t think so. I think that’s the crowd post 1900.

    “Teaching students to think like economists .. is hard.. and thinking like an economist … is just as value laden as any other way of thinking about society”. The idea in economic reasoning is the broken window problem: the need for all humans to think in terms of secondary causes and to follow the chain of secondary causes. This teaches people to think more deeply about the trade offs of both personal and political decisions. Yes it’s hard for people. Otherwise we wouldn’t need a market.

    CHAPTER 1

    “The moral fallacy of smith’s positin is that it urges us to accept direct and concrete evil in order that indirect and abstract good may come of it.”

    Well, now, we need a definition of evil, don’t we?

    “neither smith nor … his successors have been able to demonstrate rigorously ad robustly how private selfishness turns into public altruism”.

    I don’t think he says that. I think he says that by participating in the market europeans will have fewer wars.

    CH1 – The Division Of Labor

    “Smith leaves unanswered the chicken and egg question of whether it is ultimately the human propensity to truck and barter that lads to the division of labor, or the division of labor that compels people to exchange.”

    Isn’t this a false dichotomy? People have always bartered and exchanged. the division of labor is simply more profitable for the individual. Ask any art-jeweler or craftsperson, who starts out producing one offs, but determines that quality of life depends upon his or her development of a product line that can reliably produce revenue, so that she is free to create those individually interesting pieces.

    The VIrtuous spiral of economic development.

    “Smith puts his faith in the ultimate benefits to be gained from the virtuous spiral to in crease standards of living and enhance the wealth of …. the sovereign.”

    “Smith

    SAYS LAW

    “… rise in labor productivity has at least one immediate and negative effect: a reduction in the demand for labor in the industries undergoing raid rises in productivity. …. unemployment can result.”

    “thus say’s law is based on a belief in the efficiency of the financial institutions of a capitalist economy”

    I don’t think so. I think it’s based on the belief that no other alternative is available while retaining the productivity RELATIVE to other nations, so that wars can be averted, and we can overcome the myth of the fixed-pie.

    “some of these displaced workers will eventually find alternative jobs”

    Yes, they will. They just might not like them. The alternative is that people should subsidize workers to produce goods at increased cost of goods to themselves and/or that the entire enterprise of production that employs ALL workers will fail to compete for market share against people from OTHER nations. In other words, it’s the smallest of three evils.

    “It appears that over long periods of time, says law does operate”

    Well, of course it does. At this point I’m frustrated because I don’t understand the problem. I know marxian fantasy must be in here somewhere by now.

    THEORIES OF VALUE

    I cannot for the life of me discern what point he is trying to make here.

    MARKET PRICE AND NATURAL PRICE

    Well, since the time of smith we understand that the labor theory of value is flawed and we have dismissed this part of smith as an error. So I don’t see this as material.

    he states in many more words ,that natural prices and market prices are in disequilibrium at all times. This makes no sense because a natural price is a tool for us to use to conceptualize movement, and a market price is a thing that comes into existence. So far either he is trying to accumulate a later argument or he’s simply confused.

    “contemporary economics on the the hand, focuses more theoretical attention on the the ideal imaginary state of equilibrium where market price and natural price coincide.”

    At this point he is trying to build an argument upon a falsehood – the labor theory of value and natural price. I hope that this is going somewhere. Either that or he is trying to state that the DSEM construct is a myth, and we all understand that it’s a myth. There is no bell curve. There is no equilibrium. It’s just a construct we use so that we can apply math because without that construct we CANNOT apply math.

    WAGES

    “… wages have the social function of allowing workers to reproduce themselves” (he means have children). “In order for wages to perform this function, they have to be high enough to allow workers to buy a subsistence standard of living”

    Ok, so this is supposed to be that the poor have the right to breed? So when did this become a social good? the problem for mankind since industrialization is that people simply don’t die, and they’re expensive. Our problem is overpopulation not supporting the unproductive people’s fantasy of unrestrained child birth.

    “Smith associates high wages and a high workers standard of living with a growing capital stock”

    Yes, I agree.

    at this point I understand that he is providing contemporary context. I read the rest of chapter1 and move to chapter 2 in the hopes that he is going to provide some insight here. Note to authors. Make your premise first then prove it so we don’t have to guess our way through your fantasy.

    FAR AHEAD

    “Behind this…. lies the unpleasant truth about capitalist social relations. The organization of the social division of labor through commodity exchange and wage labor systematically inverts the ordinary logic of human relationships.”

    What logic is that? That people have not exposed children for years, or even outright murdered them or sold them into slavery if they could not support them? In fact, breeding differences account for large differences in the prosperity of difficult cultures. So is this the author’s point? That he has some fallacious concept of the ‘right to breed’, instead of the ‘responsibility to only breed a child you can afford to feed?”

    Then he goes on to say that marx systematically breaks down and…. helps us understand. What he does instead is create a system of justifying primitivism.

    Look. We converted from hunter gatherers to farmers. We figured out how to control our breeding by creating the ‘family’ and monogamy. This made families economic units that could manage resources.

    We invented the market, and the tools of quantitative cooperation we call money, accounting, numbers, interest and credit. We increased our ability to breed further, but penalized those who have less foresight.

    Capitalism creates temporary extraordinary wealth then forces people to control their breeding in order to participate in the wealth. Those who don’t, suffer because of their choices.

    We just have a more abstract way of controlling population.

    ( INSERT A VAST AMOUNT OF JUSFICATIONISM OF MARX HERE. )

    ESCAPING ADAM’S FALLACY

    “thus we cannot look to capitalism to solve inequality and poverty”

    That is correct. WE can only look to capitalism to provide the incentives for controlling reproduction so that the poor do not doom themselves to perpetual poverty in a world where children do not provide security or comfort but are a drain on resources.

    In other words. This is a silly marxist book, and I wasted two hours reading it. The chinese solved it with the one child policy, and it was a good policy and successful. Rather than redistribute ourselves into mutual poverty and regale the thought leaders of the past, you could simply write a book on the value of the one child policy, or at least, pay men and women to sterilize themselves. Capitalism makes poverty a choice of reproduction.

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    CurtD

    April 14th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    From a comment on KVAMS blog. [http://kvams.wordpress.com/…/adams-fallacy-by-duncan-foley/…](https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fkvams.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F04%2F08%2Fadams-fallacy-by-duncan-foley%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2JIAIzxFveUkqUiYKeiTXLXbaLTX6NRJW3Gu5dGWYZNkjzLpjptZEP-XM%23comment-175&h=AT0cL7Q2FG02b8LFg3RbWwsIGmEluDNuns7-dp4ah37K-OSJ1HaEmwC3MPjnfoP24oREXbOQCsVz8P0-FjyFSDjnQ9qObSqGRscqFwH-wEKqL9eAiu2CS179X8FQsPRoK-sTa26txBs1rE4VnwFT1E9DXXkg2wMROqaKhrZojYrIkOfFchcgoEResqkl3Wj3kX2sNC2-Xl3fA6zJkxyPq32Ow0I_6lIdeADuOgttq4wkCzYmLbSfEEh4jquZP5vW8yH7_TkY599HMytmUQbWalSUjwdNNPmLp9V9iBbmXAChS8MI6MMOlUSTBPF6_ih5PnHzucpXllhiGHavTpKkTc8EvPXUgsPpIxG4I53yu_oc9ktUbZ5NVSYrBt9IHnaHOfSOlohFMnxJ0Mx3bgydJgqdZo4CRyQrM5PYfM0aNsCliXpTk6ch-TIdK8-B0gDt-GL7fK0_f2sfosC-luq43UBUDVxaNNv5zVS2vgUDv8uTTZAa-fckdtJ9hRP03IWq8nhnh8rJ4q7bm8fAmmciJjtuUGnBHpX9Xle6C_fDzGXLFa0paNZyvsrOH9WIMhdLAoaIIXg1bbyZMsugQOuJ-3ZcdN3gEziTdvW5hS_4bXq65-5An32STctoRK_65VEjjIU9REv9Yr8ukLXMtXon)

    I’m sorry but I read this book in detail, took copious notes, and it became painfully obvious early on that the authors only criticism is that the division of knowledge and labor that creates the virtual cycle of prosperity does not account for taking care of people who cannot control their breeding and doom themselves to perpetual poverty because of their inability to control their reproduction.

    The author fails to state his own fallacy, that societies no matter how primitive control their populations and punish breeders one way or another. This is his assumption, that primitive societies take care of their young rather than expose them, or outright kill them or control their breeding. And he fails to state that the only reason these people can LIVE today, even if in poverty, is because of the productive virtuous cycle of those people who DO control their breeding.

    The problem for every civilization is creating prosperity (increased production) FASTER than people breed. From that context, the irresponsible breeders are using the virtuous cycle to create steal from and undermine the creators of the virtuous cycle.

    The whole point of capitalism is that it increases quality of life but increases the COST of each human life, and therefore controls population by CHOICE OF PARTICIPANTS rather than by murder and starvation.

    Basically this book is another silly marxist bit of apologist drivel that does nothing to advance anything in society and I’m sorry I wasted two hours working on it.

    CurtD

    April 14th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Of course I see this as a ’sex and fertility residue’ which is that women have the silly belief that they have the ‘right’ to have children, and others have the ‘duty’ to pay for their ‘right’. And that children are a ‘good’ rather than a cost. Rather than the obvious reality that children are a good only if you can afford to raise them and not create a burden on society for having done so. And women have that luxury only because increased production has made it possible for women to have their children without having them starve to death, and daeling with the suffering of watching. in other words, they are offloading the responsibility to control their breeding onto someone else. In other words, the market makes it possible for women to irresponsibly bear children without bearing the consequences of providing for or dealing with the emotional pain of the child’s starvation and death.

    (Of course, this is intentionally inflammatory.)

    Now in reality, the point is that we have to and always have had to, control our breeding, and that the path to prosperity is increasing production while decreasing our rate of reproduction.


    Source date (UTC): 2019-08-16 08:41:00 UTC

  • Or whatever truths and ir-reciprocities they deny. History is what it is. Usury

    Or whatever truths and ir-reciprocities they deny. History is what it is. Usury at 300% interest, Baiting into property Seizure, Selling alcohol at credit, prostitution, slave trading, Tax collection. All people must equally face their historical crimes, not just europeans.


    Source date (UTC): 2019-08-16 02:52:54 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1162195501665652736

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    The world hates it when Jews refuse to agree to whatever lies and indignities people want to put upon them. https://t.co/UIvn73J9f0

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  • @wilowor Because it’s true. It’s just not something to SHARE

    @wilowor

    Because it’s true. It’s just not something to SHARE.


    Source date (UTC): 2019-08-15 15:43:24 UTC

    Original post: https://gab.com/curtd/posts/102621760976639748