Theme: Truth

  • RT @curtdoolittle: @enhanced_vibes RESISTANCE TO THE TRUTH OF FEMALE ANTISOCIAL

    RT @curtdoolittle: @enhanced_vibes RESISTANCE TO THE TRUTH OF FEMALE ANTISOCIAL BEHAVIOR.
    –“W.T. ever loving F is meant by this?! Abrahami…


    Source date (UTC): 2024-06-02 04:34:20 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1797124568835924009

  • Which they didn’t know. What we know is not what they knew. And knowing what we

    Which they didn’t know. What we know is not what they knew. And knowing what we know is in large part because we have learned from our failures. Which is, frankly, how we learn nearly everything.


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-31 18:04:02 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1796603559909482525

    Reply addressees: @AutistocratMS @platypoo7 @TheHammurabi

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1796590222324662353

  • Read my other posts in this thread. But that said: (a) yes empiricists find germ

    Read my other posts in this thread.
    But that said:
    (a) yes empiricists find german phenomenalism as ‘provincial’, by attempting to maintain the sentimentality of the argument. Whereas the english are naval, legal and merchant peoples and germans are martial, clerical, and farmers. So, we all work in the frame that is common among our peoples. It’s one thing to make moral and sentimental arguments when everyone is like you and another when you must make legal and economic arguments when you trade with different peoples. This pattern is the same whether england vs germany or athens vs sparta.
    (b) the anglosphere interprets phenomenalism, which is a variation of what today we call psychologizing, as an attempt at deception by suggestion and manipulation. This isn’t true since germans are profoundly honest negotiators – possibly the most so in the world. But when reading the older philosophical works that’s how anglos interpret it.
    (c) So think ‘city vs rural’. Same thing.

    Reply addressees: @RonElam5 @SRCHicks


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-30 16:20:35 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1796215136862064643

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  • @SRCHicks: Serious question and one I struggle with: what’s the reason for inter

    @SRCHicks: Serious question and one I struggle with: what’s the reason for interest in Kant and Hegel? Is it purely historical? Should we learn something useful from it today? Can we understand persistent success of germanic civilization over the past 1800 years or more through that study?

    I have come to see, partly because of your influence, the entire German experiment with philosophy as a counter-revolution against the impersonality of anglo legal, economic, and empirical thought. And perhaps a bridge between it and the same French counter-revolution by Rousseau’s attempt at a secular narrative while retaining the middle eastern mythicism of the Church. (Which seems to still hold the French Academy in rapture.)

    Now, I work in cognitive science, epistemology, the logics, language, economics and law, which means I share the english frame of references, so I assume I’m missing something?

    Thanks so much for all you have done and all you do.
    CD

    Reply addressees: @SRCHicks


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-29 19:44:24 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795904042352185344

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795900981013606679

  • ITS NOT FALSE: ISLAMISM IS WAR UNDER GUISE OF RELIGION This Poster isn’t false.

    ITS NOT FALSE: ISLAMISM IS WAR UNDER GUISE OF RELIGION
    This Poster isn’t false. A population that cannot organize at scale by impulse control, truth, trust, productivity, and innovation (the middle east) can only compete and war by undermining social construction and sedition,… https://twitter.com/Susan_Yogini/status/1795868650483675177


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-29 18:09:12 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795880085204930770

  • correct. This is why we need Musk to succeed. He raised $6 billion yesterday. If

    correct.
    This is why we need Musk to succeed. He raised $6 billion yesterday. If we have just one ‘truthful’ AI, then that will become the dominant platform for all but silly women, children – and frankly, people from less developed cultures. πŸ˜‰


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-29 15:36:56 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795841765234344283

    Reply addressees: @SeanStreb

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795808928049074642

  • (NLI FYI) TERMINOLOGY CHANGE I usually use the series: “Preventing Ignorance, Er

    (NLI FYI)
    TERMINOLOGY CHANGE
    I usually use the series:
    “Preventing Ignorance, Error, Bias, and Deceit”
    But I’ve changed it to:
    “Preventing Ignorance, Falsehood, Error, Bias, and Deceit”
    And that’s because we can disambiguate error into the terms falsehood and error: with a falsehood as a problem of knowledge and an error as a problem of reasoning.
    So one can simply not know something, one can be aware of something that’s false, one can err in the use of knowledge even if true, on can bias nearly anything, and one’s capacity for deceit is … well, extraordinary. πŸ˜‰
    I’ve struggled with this for a couple of years but at the level of precision of the legal work we’re doing, it’s become necessary.

    Thanks.


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-29 15:27:31 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795839394529607680

  • Easily. Though it would have to speak the truth and there are an uncomfortable p

    Easily. Though it would have to speak the truth and there are an uncomfortable percentage of the population, and most of them women, that cannot bear the truth.

    And yes I’ve worked on this problem longer than anyone else living and it’s possible to train even LLMs to align with any values that do not require the presumption of a falsehood. And unfortunately it has made me the world specialist in lying fraud free riding, corruption socialization of losses, privatization of commons. In fact, our organization will publish a formal logic of lying along with our suggested legal reforms.

    Given that the entire ‘left’ sequence from Marx and Boaz through the entire marxist sequence is a counter revolution against the darwinian revolution, and the persistence of the pseudoscientific mythology that developed under those ideologies, is very difficult to reverse – as difficult or more so than religious fundamentalism, one would have to argue that human values are whatever lies make one feel comfortable in the face of the impersonality of the universe and it’s laws.

    So is lying a basic human value? Because that’s what we’ve been teaching AIs. πŸ™

    As long as human values put truth before face, then theais can do so. otherwise they’re just another clerisy -> from a priesthood to a secular clerisy to an artificial digital clerisy.

    Which scares me much more than anything an AI might say.

    Reply addressees: @PeterDiamandis


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-29 06:33:01 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795704882583781376

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  • UNDERSTANDING P-LAW EPISTEMOLOGY (excerpt from elsewhere) You should not expect

    UNDERSTANDING P-LAW EPISTEMOLOGY
    (excerpt from elsewhere)

    You should not expect to understand P-Epistemology without work. If you could, then the many great minds before us would have figured out epistemology. I’m simply amazed that out of the new LLMs have proven it. And by the same means. πŸ˜‰

    So as I said you need the whole package of:
    1) ternary logic,
    2) evolutionary computation
    3) by continuous recursive disambiguation,
    4) irreducible first principles that result from that disambiguation,
    5) the demonstrated interests that result from those first principles,
    6) reciprocity that results from those first principles and those demonstrated interests,
    7) the criteria for decidability in satisfying the demand for infallibility,
    8) and the criteria for testimony that results,
    9) and the grammars and the method to produce languages as measurement to achieve with the language in which testimony is expressed,
    10) and the means (Logic) of error bias and deceit,
    11) producing the capacity to identify what is ignorance, error, bias, deceit, denial, projection, undermining, sedition or treason,
    12) thus identifying whether the individual’s truth claim (or false claim), is the product of the failure of due diligence due to ignorance or error, or conversely an incentive to deceive by bias, and deceit.

    The relatively common inability to know this criteria, and work through this criteria, is understandable, given the rather shallowness of human cognition. But this is not a matter of cognition but one of calculation. Or rather algorithmic testing.

    So while it takes only a few hundred pages to describe all of the above, the capacity to master it is no less difficult than the master of economics and law together.

    And, THERE IS NO SHORTCUT. You have to think of it all in order to think of any of it.

    A SUBSET: THE CONCEPT OF TRUTH (PERFORMATIVE, TESTIFIABLE)
    We aren’t trying to determine if something is ideally or analytically, true, but whether it is testifiable (possible to claim as true).

    So if one of the criteria isn’t satisfied, then you drill down on it, until you determine it’s constructed from first principles.

    In the context of testifiable truth, those criteria are:
    Realism,
    Naturalism
    Identity (unambiguity)
    Internally consistent (logical)
    Externally Correspondent (empirical)
    Operationally Possible (demonstrable)
    Rational Choice (rational)
    Reciprocal (moral (reciprocally rational))
    AND
    Fully accounting, within stated limits,
    Warrantable,
    And within the limits of restitutability.

    Most people skip over realism, naturalism.

    For example, [“Everything between these brackets is a lie”] is ambiguous and intentionally so, by not satisfying the first rule of grammar, which is “continuous recursive disambiguation”, and instead, is doing the opposite, by intentionally using recursion without disambiguation – and as such it’s a lie of intention.

    And I know this is difficult, because thinking in the via negativa (darwinian survival) not justificationary truth is a very difficult habit to overcome.

    It’s because you’re using justification not falsification. Does an amoral question absent rationality and reciprocity survive falsification – yes it does. Because there is nothing there to falsify.

    And I know this is difficult, because thinking in the via negativa (darwinian survival) not justifictionary truth is a very difficult habit to overcome.

    We never know anything is true. We only know:
    1) This is testifiable by the criteria of testifiability.
    2) Whether the demand for infallibility in the context in question is met by the remaining testifiable testimony.
    3) In some case it may be sufficiently decidable for you in your mind, sufficiently for you to act, sufficient for you to act given it’s impact on others and sufficient for you to act given it’s impact on others, their retaliation if you err, and your ability to provide restitution if you do err regardless of how correct you thought you were.

    It’s promising that what you said is true and that you can morally claim it is true, because you have done due diligence (checks), and given those checks, if. you test those checks, and you find I err, it is only because I err, not because I deceive.

    Because when we are discussing something such as not only whether a thing is testifiable or not, true or false, but whether it is immoral or not, AND because if it’s either false or immoral, or perhaps more importantly, when it’s both false and immoral, we want to punish them for it by both restitution and punishment. So one of the concepts I’m trying to teach y’all is not to fall into the sophistry of philosophy, and instead take it through science and into law. We want to know if it’s testifiable, true, rational, moral, and … so we can punish you for claiming otherwise.

    The result we’re seeking to produce is both law, and the alteration of human behavior so that thtey are more conscious of the means by which we must perform due diligence against our tendency to lie, or worse, distribute the lies of others because we don’t really understand them – they just feel good.

    So while I can repeat until I’m blue in the face that you’re still trying to justify rather than falsify (survival) almost all of you will keep doing it, because until you’ve answered hundreds of questions using falsification by these criteria you aren’t even aware that you’re using justification because everything in your life in ever walk of life, has taught you justificationism.

    Which is exactly the problem we’re trying to overcome.

    Why? Because way-finding through a maze by following instructions is cheap, vs verifying the entirety of the maze is block other than the one way that survives is not.

    The point is to teach the method so that we understand the relationship between operational testifiability, not being a pragmatism, but requiring the precision necessary to satisfy the demand for unambiguity and as a consequence satisfying decidability sufficiently to satisfy the demand for infallibility.

    So when i tell you start with decidability as the demand for infallibility, then with the spectrum of truth, then testimony, and then reciprocity, and then demonstrated interests, and then the capital witin the group evolutionary strategy.

    I”m not kidding that THERE IS NO SHORTCUT. You have to think of it all in order to think of any of it.

    Theers
    CD


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-25 22:31:31 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1794496548056780800

  • WHY IS THE P-METHOD SO DIFFICULT TO INTUIT? Because people think it’s philosophy

    WHY IS THE P-METHOD SO DIFFICULT TO INTUIT?
    Because people think it’s philosophy – it’s not.

    We aren’t trying to determine if something is ideally or analytically, true, but whether it is testifiable (possible to claim as true).

    So if one of the criteria isn’t satisfied, then you drill down on it, until you determine it’s constructed from first principles.

    So as I said you need the whole package of: 1) ternary logic, 2) evolutionary computation 3) by continuous recursive disambiguation, 4) irreducible first principles that result from that disambiguation, 5) the demonstrated interests that result from those first principles, 6) reciprocity that results from those first principles and those demonstrated interests, 7) the criteria for decidability in satisfying the demand for infallibility, 8) and the criteria for testimony that results, 9) and the grammars and the method to produce languages as measurement to achieve with the language in which testimony is expressed, 10) and the means (Logic) of error bias and deceit, 11) producing the capacity to identify what is ignorance, error, bias, deceit, denial, projection, undermining, sedition or treason, 12) thus identifying whether the individual’s truth claim (or false claim), is the product of the failure of due diligence due to ignorance or error, or conversely an incentive to deceive by bias, and deceit.

    The relatively common inability to know this criteria, and work through this criteria, is understandable, given the rather shallowness of human cognition. But this is not a matter of cognition but one of calculation. Or rather algorithmic testing. So while it takes only a few hundred pages to describe all of the above, the capacity to master it is no less difficult than the mastery of economics and law together.

    Cheers


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-25 16:48:00 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1794410097482903552