Theme: Truth

  • The reason I frame propertarianism as philosophy, despite that it is a social sc

    The reason I frame propertarianism as philosophy, despite that it is a social science (system of measurement) is to kill the ability to use philosophy to lie. End postmodern pseudoscience.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-01 03:36:00 UTC

  • Maybe I am locked in a struggle though. I am locked in a struggle for the truth

    Maybe I am locked in a struggle though. I am locked in a struggle for the truth against the cult of mysticism, obscurantism, deception and justification.

    Truth is a great argument to base Aristocratic Egalitarianism and Propertarianism upon. It is very hard to defeat.

    Their only possible response is “I prefer to lie”.

    ——-

    Curt Doolittle wrote:

    Just had a thought last night as I questioned my own work: If one’s bias is one of conflict prevention, then what? Thats my bias (obviously from a childhood with too much conflict in it). How do I check my own bias?

    So while I agree with the argument that all human discourse is signaling, negotiating, and justification, I wonder if not all biases are non-neutral.

    Because a bias in favor of compatibilism rather than ‘winning’ seems to produce positive externalities, not biased ones.

    ——-

    Jonathan Haidt 8:33 PM (7 minutes ago)

    i like your point about externalities.

    i also think that if you are not part of a team locked in struggle with another team, you are more likely to see the truth.

    jh

    ——-


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-30 13:47:00 UTC

  • WHAT IS THE NEXT ITERATION AFTER CRITICAL RATIONALISM? (worth repeating) I consi

    WHAT IS THE NEXT ITERATION AFTER CRITICAL RATIONALISM?

    (worth repeating)

    I consider myself a critical rationalist as far as it goes. But:

    1) I practice the art with much higher technical standards necessary to reduce or eliminate error and deception. In my view I practice philosophy as science not rationalism. It is possible that I have come to see all rationalism as justification. I am not yet certain. I do however understand the very great difference between daydreaming, thinking, reasoning, calculating and computing. And that reason is vastly inferior to calculation. And that if I am correct, and property provides us with commensurability then moral and political conflicts are marginally calculable.

    2) I do not believe that CP is empirically true although it is logically true. Only formal study will answer this question but at present the evidence certainly appears to bear out my bias.

    3) I do not believe criticism is as productive a means of innovation as exhausting theories and reforming them – which is why scientists practice exhaustion not criticism. The reason is scientists pursue goals (problems), not knowledge for its own sake (puzzles).

    4) There is no difference between any method of investigation or production other than the value attributed to different outputs of the method we call the scientific method.

    5) Although I believe Miller’s loosely correct, I also believe his emphasis on formal logic (sets) is not equal in value to operational articulation, and is likewise subject to verbalism. In fact, in large part I see the era of set operations involving language as passé, and that like law, functions and operations defeat sets and set membership. In fact, I see Cantorian sets as one of the great disasters of intellectual history.

    (Not that anyone here is going to follow what the hell I’m talking about…)


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-26 08:47:00 UTC

  • CRITICAL RATIONALISM AS CRITIQUE The purpose of critique is deception and contro

    CRITICAL RATIONALISM AS CRITIQUE

    The purpose of critique is deception and control. Now that I understand that fact, and that Critical Rationalism can easily be used as an instance of Critique, I understand why it is so frequently misused, and why scientists don’t practice CR. They use falsification, sure, and they are forever skeptical, but they do not practice criticism as critique. In fact, they ignore the philosophical community altogether.

    Worse, CRITICAL RATIONALISM without Operationalism is not compatible with truth tellilng. Construction is not justification it is a test of observation vs imagination.

    As a general rule, misuse of CR places emphasis on meaning as a means of control, while the craft of science produces recipes in the universal language of action without control. Science is compatible with operational language and testimonial truth, and CR, as stated and practiced is not.

    Under CR one has no skin in the game. Under science and testimonial truth, one has skin in the game. Thus we get Rothbards, Lesters and Blocks, not science.

    Our western science evolved not to justify but to emphasize truth telling. Hermeneutic scriptural interpretation and the same under jewish law evolved to justify interpretation, not truthful description of extant events.

    Indo European Aristocratic Egalitarian = warrior testimony.

    Anglo Empirical Testimonial truth = Same

    German Duty Testimonial Truth = Same

    Cosmopolitan Justifiactionary = Not at all the same.

    Yep.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-26 04:54:00 UTC

  • (PROFOUND) Sitting here thinking: you know Lester doesn’t know what he’s doing a

    (PROFOUND)

    Sitting here thinking: you know Lester doesn’t know what he’s doing any more than the socialists did, or Hoppe does, or Popper did – or anyone for that matter who relies upon reason instead of science.

    Lester doesn’t understand the difference between an argument reliant upon, and producing, meaning (knowledge of use – correlation), vs one reliant upon and producing truth one can testify to the construction of (knowledge of construction – causality).

    Kinsella doesn’t understand (and maybe Hoppe doesn’t) that a performative contradiction is a verbalism only relevant in law, versus the possibility of demonstrated actions in negotiation regardless of words used (what I call ternary logic). It may be true that libertarianism must always consist in a legal philosophy, but that human NEGOTIATION is not constrained to the limits of legal ARGUMENT. (this is profound for those of you who still put faith in argumentation: argument is not equal to negotiation, and humans negotiate prior to agreement and retain the option to use violence, while after agreement not to use violence we agree to debate.)

    I am unsure about whether Walter Block knows he’s promoting immorality and therefore violating the contract for non-violence with people of western ethics. He’s just a Jewish guy raised with those levantine low trust instincts and trained in justifying them as moral.

    Mises didn’t understand that the reason he failed to develop operationalism that would have fulfilled the promise of his praxeology was his ignorance of other fields, and his fairly weak understanding of the philosophical movements of his era. Nor did he understand that the commons was the western competitive advantage and he was arguing to destroy it.

    Hoppe doesn’t, from what he states in his book, understand the intuitionistic and operationalist arguments, and how they undermine his a-priorism permanently and irrefutably. Nor does he understand that the reason for the failure of intuitionistic arguments in math were due to constancies in math (relations) that are impossible in other fields (causality, information, decidability).

    Rothbard I assume, knew he was just a second-hander appropriating every justification he could find – from Hospers and others like a collector of bottlecaps constructing a mosaic – and using his ability to use half true, untestable, obscurant moralism to justify cosmopolitan low trust ethics in an effort to make his own ethics applicable in the high trust society – also destroying the commons – the western aristocratic competitive strategy.

    Hell, I didn’t know what I was doing either. I just knew there was a problem and I tried to solve it. I was trying to make it impossible for the postmodernists to lie, while helping the conservatives to articulate their ideas. I didn’t know that I was actually accomplishing was to remove the distinction between philosophy and science by stating all philosophy outside of Propertarian constraints to be indistinguishable from mysticism at best, but lying in universal practice. Philosophy as it was constructed, was an exceptional means of lying, and justifying lying, by loading framing and overloading.

    Someone after me will probably finish that work, but the net result is that within two generations we can destroy philosophy and replace it with calculation. That is a profound prediction but I see it already. Philosophy was invented to persuade (lie) with, and calculation is invented to prevent loading, framing and overloading (lying).

    If you stew on this post a bit your world will melt.

    Cheers


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-23 08:21:00 UTC

  • MORE ON REVIEW OF LESTER (Just my thoughts as I went through the book today) As

    MORE ON REVIEW OF LESTER

    (Just my thoughts as I went through the book today)

    As I said yesterday there isn’t anything novel or of value in lester’s work and it’s no use to me. Which is all I wanted to know.

    IT IS VERY HARD TO IMPROVE UPON HOPPE

    My criticism of Hans’ work is highly technical, and I view mine as both restating his and extending it for heterogeneous polities in the anglo model. I’m open to new insights but there just aren’t any. Property like money renders the incommensurable commensurable.

    MISREPRESENTATION OF CRITICAL RATIONALISM

    Critical rationalism argues the following general prescriptions for the ‘moral’ practice of scientific investigation.

    1) Uncertainty. We can never know whether any theory we construct, test and falsify, and therefore can find no fault with, is the most parsimonious description of causal relations possible without stating a tautology (the Truth), or whether new knowledge and understanding will replace our theory with one that is even more parsimonious.

    2) Decidability. Given that the unknown always exists, it is impossible to to choose between theories that are more likely to be true (Decidability), without the addition of subjective preference (Or what in math would be considered contextual precision). In other words, given infinity as a denominator, probability is incalculable.

    3) Criticism. The only means of iterative improvement of any theory is constant criticism (hardening for greater parsimony) which increases the empirical content of a theory, rather than additional confirmation of the theory which do not and cannot. No amount of confirmation will increase the content, only failure and therefore additional increases in parsimony increase increase content.

    OPEN ISSUES IN CRITICAL RATIONALISM

    It is not clear that the following are not true:

    1) Popper’s main concern at the time he wrote was that science not practice pseudoscience in the public space, and that the then-pseudoscience of economics in particular was not used with greater authority than science can offer us. As such his argument is that we not abuse science and instead conduct it morally. It is not clear that this moral argument is in fact as certain as he argues, only that to prevent harm we should act in this manner whether it is true or not. Only empirical research can tell us.

    2) Popper’s argument is a moral not logical, nor scientific one. We must ACT as such because acting as such will produce the best ecology of scientific investigation. It is not at all clear that under empirical analysis:

    ….(a) we appear to be quite good at prosecuting theories with both confirmation (repeating) testing, and falsifying those theories.

    ….(b) we appear to practice investigation by following least-cost means of experimentation. And it is not clear that least-cost-experimentation, because it is empirically incremental in itself, is not the best algorithm for investigation. As such it is not clear that the choice between theories to prosecute is in fact undecidable.

    ….(c) scientists only require a theory be stated in falsifiable terms, and do not practice criticism, but either instead expand application of theory to the point of failure, OR, posit a highly explanatory theory and attempt to confirm it. It is not clear that they would benefit from some other means of investigation, and it appears to be economically as well as logically difficult to imagine that the expansion of a theory to the point of failure, or confirmation then expansion of a grand hypothesis does not produce greater empirical content than criticism of a theory. It is hard to argue otherwise and that is why science practices as they do.

    LESTER’S STRANGE USE OF CRITICAL RATIONALISM

    Lester takes the position that if he can conjecture something that is verbally non-contradictory it stands until it is falsified. As long as he can construct alternative hypotheses then his statements remain unfalsified. Rather than,if he presents us with a hardened argument that is both internally consistent and externally correspondent, and therefore it is open to criticism. Science practices operational language to prevent precisely the kind of verbalism he practices. Operational definitions are necessary to give names to actions and observations that are non-fungible, and are repeatable because repeatability is the only means by which we can test that our perceived meaning that corresponds to reality. Lester seems to feel that he can construct axiomatic arguments by defining terms such as liberty rather than making use of extant terms, then neither subject them to tests of internal consistency, nor external correspondence. Instead, he seems to feel that internal consistency and external correspondence are unnecessary and that falsification must be conducted yet he gives us nothing concretely stated enough to falsify. He does not feel the need to justify his theory, in the sense of constructing internally consistent and externally correspondent statements – only hand wave some verbalism and then run from testing of that argument by providing convenient alternate hypothesis. This is not critical rationalism. It is not criticism. It is a verbal deception.

    FROM LEVIATHAN

    Lester maintains that he constructs a non-moral approach:

    —“An important aspect of the compatibility thesis is the non‐ moral approach that I take throughout. It might help to give an early and explicit explanation of this somewhat unusual idea of eschewing moral advocacy. … if it is possible effectively to defend the congruence of liberty and welfare in practice, then there is no practical need for an ultimate moral defense of either”—

    However this just means that he is unfamiliar with the literature on the evolution of morality. And as such he lacks the knowledge that morality (prohibition on free riding) is an objective necessity universal to man, without which cooperation is neither rational nor possible to evolve. Morality is necessary for cooperation.

    And that the prohibition on free riding used in that literature is synonymous with the imposition of costs. (see Axelrod et all, Haidt’s Bibliography).

    In addition, Lester fails to grasp that in all cases we can think of, human satisfaction and dissatisfaction correspond to increases and decreases in property. (See Propertarianism) wherein property is defined empirically through observation of man’s actions, rather than either arbitrarily or pragmatically.

    ****So since lester lacks current understanding of the literature, he is unable to identify that he has correctly identified the moral intuition of imposed cost, but he merely states that imposed cost affects satisfaction, but not the origin of satisfaction and dissatisfaction as the accumulation of various forms of resources.****

    Lester defines ‘moral’ as a synonym for ‘norm’ rather than that the portfolio of norms in any polity consist of (a) objective moral necessities (prohibitions on free riding) given their structure of family and structure of production, (b) arbitrary taboos (c) signals of conformity to norms. So lester fails to correctly understand the difference between the set of norms which includes moral prohibitions, and morals, which are objectively testable statements of morality:

    —“I certainly do not mean to belittle moral arguments as such. It is

    simply that to bring in moral arguments would distract from my

    arguments for objective compatibility. An analogical defense of this non-moral thesis occurs to me. Suppose two undiscovered primitive tribes living in the same region. One tribe thinks that eating any part of animals without hearts is immoral. The other tribe thinks that eating any part of animals without kidneys is

    immoral. They have heated debates about both the moral issues and

    the empirical facts about which animals have which organs. They feel

    moral contempt for each other and continually attack each other in

    attempts to enforce their moral views. Peaceful association suffers

    considerably. “—

    THE PATTERN THAT EMERGES

    Lester relies upon two assumptions: Marxist argumentative technique of dialectic, and definitions of terms as used in colloquial language. (It is perhaps telling that Marx himself noted that by making his arguments using dialectic that he could not be held accountable for their failure. (CD: Cit Needed) )

    So lester (a) misrepresents theories under CR as untestable via defense, against criticisms of internal consistency and external correspondence (b) engages in fungible language, and (c) relies upon dialectical argument. What this pattern results in, is Lester’s convenient insulation from criticism on the one hand, and argument by nothing but colloquial analogy on the other.

    Example:

    —“My view is not that there are ‘essences’ or ‘true meanings’ of these things but that there is often at least one of the following errors concerning them: a sound

    commonsense understanding or plain English usage is being flouted for no valid reason (such as ‘coercion’ being extended beyond ‘the use of force’); there is no clear account of the real phenomenon which some word denotes, and a better account is needed to avoid confusion (such as ‘weakness of will’); there is no clear meaning to some word and so a better definition, only partly stipulative, can assist in clarifying what people must intend (such as the libertarian use of ‘liberty’); there are important logical and practical connections among these ideas and the things they denote in the world, which are no more ‘merely verbal’ than are, say, the theories of geometry (such as anarchy being intrinsically liberal). Thus I intend my approach not to be the mere linguistic analysis of normal usage but what W. W. Bartley, following Popper, calls ‘diacritical analysis’ “—

    It is interesting, and perhaps telling, that both Postmoderns, Libertarians, and Neo-Conservatives rely upon marxist rationalist argumentation rather than science. In the absence of science, meaning, in the absence of observation and instrumentation, it is necessary to rely upon rationalism. But once science is present, all rationalism in all fields has been replaced by that science.

    For example, in the above paragraph:

    –“there is no clear meaning to some word and so a better definition, only partly stipulative, can assist in clarifying what people must intend (such as the libertarian use of ‘liberty’);”–

    This is a confusion of precision. A term, rather than a name, must represent a category rather than an instance, and all terms and theories must exist in correspondence to a context. Newton is not false at human scale, and the speed of light is infinite at human scale, and rather slow at galactic scale.

    We can easily separate necessary properties of a term from arbitrary. Much of intellectual history consists of doing just that.

    So his statement is untrue. It is entirely possible to state the word ‘imagine’ and we understand what imagine must mean in use and in experience, but we cannot understand what the word imagine means in *construction*: how it exists. We can say the same for intuition: the construction of our intuition is invisible to us,but the USE of our intuition is not, and the experience of our intuition is marginally indifferent, so that we can use the name of that experience of intuition both as USE and as EXPERIENCE even if we cannot articulate its CONSTRUCTION.

    So in the case of liberty, liberty is and always has been freedom from imposition by authority – the government (or state). We have used colloquial analogy to refer to anthropomorphic parallels such as fate. We CAN use the term liberty as an analogy for the experience of any interference in our preferences by any actor or anthropomorphized phenomenon. But (a)the term liberty, (b)the anthropomorphized analogy to liberty for use in describing natural phenomenon, and (c) the analogy of liberty for use in the application of political constraint to all human actors even those outside of authoritarian conditions, are not equal conditions. They differ in Construction. As such they are similar referents, but not equal referents.

    Conversely, what they share in common is the prohibition on external constraint. In this sense, Lester’s argument is that we began with the political constraint, by analogy state that refers to general constraint by all natural and supernatural forces, and we apply that general constraint by analogy to the individual actors as well as state actors, and state as a consequence that what we desire in all conditions of life is to be free of constraint analogous to political constraint and then he renames that political constraint’s objective description to the subjective experiential description of a loss of satisfaction.

    He does this to circumvent the opposite: that humans evolved moral intuitions necessary for cooperation, and under the state, when it later evolved, we demanded to retain these moral rules, that reflect our moral intuitions necessary for cooperation.

    Humans can murder, destroy, harm, steal, fraud, fraud by omission, conduct fraud by indirection, fraud by interference, free riding, they can privatize commons, socialize losses into the commons, engage in conspiracies, and form political conspiracies (governments) of beneficial and non-beneficial kinds – all of which impose costs upon others.

    And we referred to liberty we referred to liberty from the state, morality as the freedom from imposition of in-group members.

    HOW IS MINIMIZATION OF IMPOSED COSTS INSTRUMENTALLY CALCULABLE?

    (….it isn’t that’s why we use property…)

    COMPATIBILISM IS NOT THE SAME AS PREFERENCE

    Again, in stating that liberty and welfare are not incompatible he relies upon the same structure of argument: that while they are not incompatible under X conditions and Y preferences, that the may be incompatible and undesirable under X conditions and Z preferences. Which turns out to be the case. That is, that only a small minority of human beings demonstrate a preference for liberty because liberty requires accountability. All humans demonstrate a preference for joining cultures with higher levels of liberty, because with higher levels of liberty (and the higher levels of trust that make liberty possible) we create greater economic velocity and greater ability to consume. As such, individuals rarely demonstrate a preference for liberty, and instead demonstrate a preference for consumption and security.

    So this is the Lesterian method: if there is any hope of something being true it is not falsifiable. And since any set of theories are, under Critical Preference, undecidable, then either may be true.

    however this fails to grasp that while something may not be logically decidable it is always preferentially decidable and humans choose to make those decisions. That is the entire premise of Critical Preference: the content is not extant to make a decision without content external to the theory. Preference is always extant.

    THE THREE METHODS:

    THE ANALYTIC METHOD

    Requires we use precise definitions and speak clearly for precisely these reasons. This produces as close to an axiomatic argument as possible that is therefore testable for internal consistency, and more easily criticized than one that is not.

    THE OPERATIONAL METHOD

    The operational method requires that we use operational definitions so that we know all objects that we consider in our argument are existential through action in practice or thought. And that we are not adding imaginary content.

    THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD

    (………….)

    WHY DO I CARE?

    I care because lester correctly identified morality,and is the only libertarian I have found to correctly identify morality. We cannot construct liberty without morality (cooperation).

    Morality is a necessary property of cooperation. But lester states that (a) his solution is an innovation, where he just substitutes the euphemism “personal liberty’ for ‘morality’, and then claims he has constructed a non-moral, non, propertarian solution to the problem facing libertarians. Then (b) he misstates the problem facing libertarians as failing to grasp what he theorizes, while, in reality, they had always assumed the same principle in subjective value, but also understood that it is not possible to test subjective experiences as a third party jurist. (c) Under a third party jurist, under rule of law, with sufficient axioms (property rights), it is possible to resolve conflicts in a group without rents, bias, favoritism, or arbitrary decision making. Such juridical testing via a third party jurist requires instrumentation. We know that all humans collect property. We know that all humans know the difference between property they constructed without imposition and that which they have not. We know that humans organize inventory of property at the individual, family and extended family and tribe levels. We know that the number of permutations of property as such varies but loosely reflects each family structure. As such Property is the instrumentation by which we test violations of normative expectations of property that the polity is willing to use violence to constraint.

    Central to this argument is that no man is an island. He must cooperate with others in production in some normative capacity, and he must reproduce with others in reproduction in some normative capacity. Or rather he CAN do otherwise but not as a general rule, only as an exception to the general rule – otherwise man would not exist. Capitalism allows us to construct a voluntary organization of production, and freedom to choose our mates within any given family structure, allows us to construct a voluntary organization of reproduction. But in both cases our individualism allows us to construct either reproduction or production voluntarily. That does not mean that we can survive without extant structures and norms.

    Our problem then is one of constructing general rules for the adjudication of differences intolerable to the polity – but not more. This process eliminates retaliation, eliminates demand for the state, and allows the rational adjudication of differences just as property, money and prices allow rational calculation of planning. Both dispute resolution and planning are required for the voluntary organization of production. The voluntary organization of production has proven infinitely more productive than the involuntary organization of production in no small part because it provides incentives to work, as well as provides incentives to innovate.

    Lester presents us with a word game by simply replacing morality with the contradiction in terms of ‘interpersonal liberty’, instead of defining morality as freedom from the imposition of costs, and liberty as the freedom from the imposition of costs by the state. Furthermore, Lester does not solve the problem of instrumentation, where instrumentation in juridical dispute is the problem facing libertarians.

    (a) given the necessity of humans to collect resources of all kinds, and;

    (b) given human subjective emotional responses reflect increases and decreases in inventory of various forms of property accumulated, and;

    (c) given that cooperation is only valuable if it increases inventories rather than decreases them (parasitism), and;

    (c) given that different polities evolve allocation of decision making over property at various levels of atomicity that reflects the needs of the means of production and the structure of the family engaged in production (and reproduction), and;

    (d) that various groups construct different allocations of property rights that they are willing to adjudicate (use violence for the purpose of punishment or restitution.)

    (e) allocations of property rights will vary to reflect the needs of the polity.

    (f) that total atomicity of property provides incentives to individuals, and the ability to engage in rational economic calculation regardless of family structure.

    We currently use property as the instrumental test of unjustified interference in the behaviors of others…..

    SOLVING THE PROBLEM OF INSTRUMENTALISM

    We have the following choices:

    (a) we must, despite current failures, identify a necessary, non-preferential definition of property and the means of transgression against it;

    Conclusion The common law provides the incremental means of protecting us from crime, fraud, free riding, socialization, privatization, conspiracy. As such the rule of law, organically produced, using property as an instrumental measure of violation of the rules of cooperation necessary for production.

    The difference between this propertarian position and the lesterian position is that our answer is necessary and testable.

    Or (b) we must empirically test what definition of property provides people with the experience of liberty and define the experience of liberty as people demonstrate the experience of liberty.

    Conclusion: the current evidence is that small, homogenous communities that operate as extended families produce the highest trust and therefore the greatest kinship defense (redistribution) as well as the highest economic velocity. These people prohibit even the most tentatively immoral actions.

    Or (c) we must abandon property as the objective instrumental measure of whether we experience a condition of liberty or not, and then identify an alternative means of measurement;

    Conclusion we can find no alternative that both is instrumentally ascertainable, and permits the voluntary (meritocratic)structure of production thereby giving us control over our reproduction (structure of reproduction).

    Or (d) we must identify how to eliminate all possible means of transgression against our property, regardless of its constitution, such that no limit to our consideration of property is necessary.

    Conclusion: we accomplish this feat by using the common law, and contractual government, to eliminate demand for the state either as a suppressor of retaliation, and enforcer of arbitrary norms, producer of commons, and insurer of last resort.

    As such libertarians have two choices. Either

    1) define property as all possible forms of property that humans demonstrate, articulate them in the law, and thereby construct a high-trust polity. (The conservative proposition), with no demand for the state.

    2) Define all possible property humans demonstrate and ask communities to subscribe to those that suit their preferences at the expense of trust (economic velocity), with no demand for the state.

    3) Determine the limit at which polities with different properties demonstrate demand for the state.

    More later if I can find anything of value….


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-22 09:50:00 UTC

  • LESTER’S THEORY OF LIBERTY IS MEANINGLESS His claim: He has created a theory of

    LESTER’S THEORY OF LIBERTY IS MEANINGLESS

    His claim:

    He has created a theory of liberty

    That theory of liberty precedes any dependence upon property (depends on the definition of property)

    That theory precedes any dependence upon morality (this is false)

    That this theory obviates the dependence upon property for the definition of liberty. (property is not the question, the practical scope of property adjudicable under law is the question, furthermore subjective value is assumed but untestable by third parties)

    That this theory is innovative (it is merely a restatement of subjective value)

    I can criticize it as such:

    1) “interpersonal liberty” is a contradiction in terms. Liberty has referred to freedom from interference in matters of property by the state. One cannot conduct interpersonal state operations. That is a contradiction in terms.

    2) morality is demonstrable as a prohibition against free riding necessary for any organism to cooperate. Free riding is an imposed cost.

    3) Lester has substituted the contradiction of “interpersonal liberty” for “morality”, rather than expressing liberty as the state of freedom from state imposition of costs (immorality).

    To refute this

    (a) one must demonstrate that the term liberty with its long history evolved as moral rather than political prohibition. (I think this is impossible)

    OR

    (b )To demonstrate that morality defined as the imposition of costs (free riding in economic and anthropological terms) is somehow different from the political imposition of costs. (I think this is impossible)

    THEREFORE HIS ARGUMENT IS NOT PRE-MORAL, IT IS EXPRESSLY MORAL AND HIS CLAIM IS FALLACIOUS: IT IS MERELY A WORD GAME – A DECEPTION OR AN ERROR.

    FURTHERMORE

    The purpose of property is to eliminate deception because of the impossibility of measuring changes in subjective value, (lying); and furthermore, the degree of suppression of free riding is dependent upon the economic division of labor AND the family structure extant in any polity. As such the definition of property varies from group to group as the conditions necessary for the conduct of free riding (cost imposition) is constituted from variable conditions. Property definitions limit the scope of impositions of merit to the community.

    Change in satisfaction is synonymous with subjective value. There is no difference. There is no debate outside of marxism with subjective value. The question is the objective means of measuring what the polity tolerates as decreases in subjective value that the community is willing to use violence in order to perform restitution.

    As such while he claims to have solved the problem of liberty, he has not, since his argument is no improvement over subjective value, and our problem is a means of measurement of something immune to deception that we are willing to use force in order to rectify (restitution).

    The question of liberty (preventing state immorality under rule of law) requires one of the following:

    (a) we must, despite current failures, identify a necessary, non-preferential definition of property and the means of transgression against it;

    Or (b) we must empirically test what definition of property provides people with the experience of liberty and define the experience of liberty as people demonstrate the experience of liberty.

    Or (c) we must abandon property as the objective instrumental measure of whether we experience a condition of liberty or not, and then identify an alternative means of measurement;

    Or (d) we must identify how to eliminate all possible means of transgression against our property, regardless of it constitution, such that no limit to our consideration of property is necessary.

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    Calling a cat a dog does not change the properties of the cat.

    Saying the cart comes before the horse doesn’t fly either. Morality precedes liberty.

    You can choose to call me whatever name you want but that does not change me.

    You can call someone else my name but that does not make him me.

    You can call morality the name “interpersonal liberty”, but that does not mean the properties of “interpersonal-liberty” are not is identical with morality. They are.

    His whole edifice is nonsense. Empty verbalism. And furthermore it’s as bad an abuse of critical rationalism as I have ever seen.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-21 23:30:00 UTC

  • (more thoughts) Either libertarianism stands scientific criticism or it doesn’t.

    (more thoughts)

    Either libertarianism stands scientific criticism or it doesn’t. So far it doesn’t. And either an argument can be constructed scientifically or it can’t. I can and have constructed it scientifically where it is open falsification. It can be criticized by rational argument. It can be weakly falsified by surveys, and it can be hard-falsified by experiment. Why should libertarianism be buried in the backwater of pseudoscience? It would be one thing if it had to be, and therefore had to remain an ideology, and neither a philosophy or a scientifically supportable argument. But that isn’t the case. If we CAN state libertarianism scientifically then what are we afraid of other than the rather obvious fact that to construct a state of liberty one will require a high trust polity that suppresses unethical as well as at least SOME immoral conduct?


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-21 18:38:00 UTC

  • David Gordon pretty much eviscerates Lester’s argument on Lester’s terms – which

    David Gordon pretty much eviscerates Lester’s argument on Lester’s terms – which is perhaps the most gracious way of doing so. I have a better understanding of Popper’s arguments than David so I’m producing my own criticism, not just of lester but of all cosmopolitan thinkers in the space, Lester included. It’s just odd to see someone so graceful about it.

    What I like about David’s criticism, is it shows just why non-operational, non-testimonial arguments are so open to deception. I suppose that, from Lester’s writing (and my few conversations with him) that he merely applies the ideas of popper in an autistic but uncomprehending attempt to justify libertarianism, while at the same time claiming he does not practice justification. But as Gordon points out, he uses falsification as a means of distraction in the marxist tradition rather than as a means of hardening his theories.

    Further, Popper’s arguments are warnings against the excessive use of certainty in science, where general descriptions of very causally dense theories an appear to be true (Keynesian and post-keynesian economic theory, Freudian Psychology, Cantorian Logic) but are merely useful allegories for conveying meaning. They are not scientific and therefore should not be used for the purpose of persuasion only for the purpose of conveying MEANING. Popper commits this sin everywhere. He conveys meaning, not necessity. ie: he creates meaningful narratives but rarely if ever constructs necessary arguments. Even his Critical Preference is logically but it appears not empirically true. Part of the verbalist era of logic in the early twentieth century: it is not clear that that many of our theories are erroneous, rather that they are as precise as the information we have, and that we seem to be fairly good at increasing precision via testing, even if we are not very good at increasing precision via modeling.

    More later.

    The problem is, we don’t have people in the libertarian movement capable of making these arguments. I think they exist in math and physics, but I kind of suspect that in the libertarian movement we just don’t have the talent.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-21 18:04:00 UTC

  • ANY POLITICAL STATEMENT USING THE WORD “FAIR” AS A INSTRUMENTAL MEASURE IS A LIE

    ANY POLITICAL STATEMENT USING THE WORD “FAIR” AS A INSTRUMENTAL MEASURE IS A LIE.

    (worth repeating)

    –“Fairness may be perceptible but it is not instrumentally calculable, and as such the scope of fairness is limited to members of the small, local group; and any use of the word ‘fair’ beyond the immediately perceptible is not only an error it is a deception if not an outright lie.”–

    –“We have a sense of fairness – the correct term is ‘Proportionality’, and left and right value proportionality differently (equality vs meritocracy), however it is true that all people sense violations of proportionality. However, the fact remains that this is the projection of a sense-perception onto a scale requiring instrumentalism. As such, any statement of proportionality is a fallacy since such a thing is incalculable. Instead, we respond to people who are in need, but we do not SUPPORT people who are in need as a matter of course, because it is UNFAIR (disproportionate) to support people who systemically seek rents at the expense of others. We DO seek to insure each other against the vicissitudes of life, but we also seek to insure each other against free riding. One cannot make one statement without making the other without engaging in verbal deception.”—

    Curt Doolittle


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-21 11:09:00 UTC