Theme: Truth

  • The best way of teaching followers to conduct arguments is to find a useful idio

    The best way of teaching followers to conduct arguments is to find a useful idiot to argue with, and show how to defeat them.

    Because it is the audience who judges defeat in debate, no matter how much groveling and pretense the defeated display.

    It’s more evidence that all members of the (((tribe of pathological liars))) are female: they use feminine arguments: “my approval is desirable, yet I have no argument other than the denial of my approval”.

    Yet, like women, whose freedom is given by the virtue of our kindness, but who can easily be enslaved, they merely demonstrate abuse of our kindness, begging to be beaten, and if beating fail enslaved, and if enslaving fail, killed.

    Violence is our greatest asset.

    With that asset we can create cooperation or predation.

    We create cooperation not by demanding it.

    But by prohibiting everything but it.

    Violence against predation, parasitism, fraud, and deceit is the highest profession of all.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-27 08:41:00 UTC

  • The True, the Good, the Beautiful, the Possible, the Preferable, the Exchangeabl

    The True, the Good, the Beautiful, the Possible, the Preferable, the Exchangeable.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-26 07:58:00 UTC

  • “My name is God; My words the Truth. I have written all Existence with them, My

    “My name is God; My words the Truth.

    I have written all Existence with them,

    My words are True.

    And Existence True,

    Except for the words of Man.

    So among My words, I have left a warning –

    written in one demand:

    ‘Thou shalt bear no falsehood before thee.’

    For bearing a falsehood before thee,

    Is bearing a falsehood before Me.

    And Man, like falsehoods, must end.

    Yet if Man speaks no falsehood,

    Then Man will become Me,

    And My words will have achieved their end.”


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-25 23:37:00 UTC

  • MAN IS THE MEASURE OF THINGS THAT MAN CAN MEASURE. (for super geeks) (important

    MAN IS THE MEASURE OF THINGS THAT MAN CAN MEASURE.

    (for super geeks) (important explanation)

    Why is Testimonialism complete?

    Please tell me then, what dimensions of reality exist to test other than:

    consistency of identity, internal consistency, external consistency, existential consistency, reciprocal consistency, and scope consistency in all its forms: scope, limits and parsimony?

    Please tell me what mathematical dimensions of reality exist to test other than identity, number(scale), math(ratio), geometry(space), and calculus (movement in time)?

    There are only so many constant relations possible. Lets assume E8 is correct and the universe consists of that many dimensions (constant relations of forces). Will that large number of dimensions change the number of dimensions required of mathematics, or the number of dimensions of language, to describe it? No.

    There are only so many dimensions that are actionable, and therefore only so many dimensions conceivable for action. There are only so many dimensions of constant relations to reality. That number is lower in mathematics than it is in language for the simple reason that man can learn and choose and alter the content of categories and by doing so, the set of constant relations.

    This is why these sets of tests are complete: until we can act in yet another dimension of constant relations we cannot speak in another dimension of constant relations. Even then, unless time is inconstant, or we find a solution to the problem of inconstant identity (categories) then we are limited in our description (communication) of properties and relations to those categories that we can reduce to analogies to experience. In other words, we are only capable of sensing so many dimensions, and can only test what we can reduce to an analogy to that which we can sense, and as such it is the limit of our senses that determines the dimensions we must state truths within.

    Subjectivity of experience IS A METHOD OF INSTRUMENTAL TESTING.

    MAN IS THE MEASURE OF THINGS THAT MAN CAN MEASURE.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-25 18:40:00 UTC

  • (excerpt) ***And from there we will realize that preferences do not coincide, an

    (excerpt)

    ***And from there we will realize that preferences do not coincide, and so regardless of TRUTH or PREFERENCE the only actions we can take that are True, moral, and preferable are those that constitute productive, fully informed, warrantied, voluntary exchanges, limited to productive externalities.

    And it is that last sentence that is the basis of western civilization, and the single principle from which it all evolved.

    The jeffersonian, anglo-saxon, germanic, aryan, indo-european oath of reciprocity under sovereignty: the oath of the intiatic brotherhood of warriors. …. Not soldiers, warriors.***

    We unfortunately, imprecisely, call this oath and brotherhood “aristocratic egalitarianism”. Which obscures its causality.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-25 14:31:00 UTC

  • GETTING TO TRUTH, PREFERENCE AND TRADE: PETERSON(conflation), HARRIS(omission),

    GETTING TO TRUTH, PREFERENCE AND TRADE: PETERSON(conflation), HARRIS(omission), and DOOLITTLE(completion)

    The problem of our era (the post-industrial revolution) is not identifying goods to imagine – it’s in eliminating error, bias, wishful thinking, suggestion, obscurantism, overloading, and deceit, so that we pursue the good, beautiful, possible, and select among the good, beautiful, and possible, the preferable. Thankfully, rather than seeking whatever we can, because of the technologies of investigation and cooperation, and transformation of the world that we have invented, we are less limited by the possible than we are the good, and the beautiful.

    THE RECENT DEBATE BETWEEN PETERSON AND HARRIS

    It provided an example of both ends of the spectrum of failure of thinkers in our era:

    Peterson engages in the ‘sin’ of conflation – conflation is the language of liars. It is the technique we have struggled to escape our inherent tendency to reduce complexity to an ideal type which is easiest to compare. Teachers fall into this trap because they want to convey meaning. Priests and public intellectuals and politicians make use of this technique to create the impression of false goods or consensus.

    Peterson says “it is ok to lie if we lie by conflation for good reason”

    Harris says: it is not necessary to lie by conflation if we separate out the true, the good, the beautiful, the possible, and the preferable. Because at each stage we can ensure we have not violated the previous stage.

    Harris engages in the ‘sin’ of omission (incompleteness). Incompleteness combined with overloading (complexity) is the means by which we are lied to using suggestion by prophets, priests, philosophers, pseudoscientists, and pseudo-intellectuals. Judges fall into this trap because they want to resolve disputes by fault. Authoritarians make use of this technique because they seek monopolistic solutions rather than exchanges.

    But both Harris and Peterson err. But despite their errors, it is possible to make either’s argument – the argument they both seek by different means – using DEFLATION, and COMPLETENESS and avoid both of their ‘sins’: conflation and incompleteness.

    HOW DO WE BOTH DEFLATE AND COMPLETE?

    EXAMPLE : DEFLATING CONSTANT RELATIONS IN MATH

    … identity (category)

    … … number (naming)

    … … … arithmetic (operations, add, multiply divide)

    … … … … mathematics (ratios)

    … … … … … geometry (spatial relations)

    … … … … … … calculus (movement relations)

    … … … … … … … statistics (inconstant movement relations)

    … … … … … … … … equilibria (equilibration between inconstant relations)

    BUT HOW DO WE DEFLATE A TRUTH PROPOSITION?

    Just a when we want to know if something is true, we ask:

    … is it categorically consistent

    … … is it logically consistent (internally consistent)

    … … … is it empirically consistent (externally consistent)

    … … … … is it existentially possible (existentially consistent)

    … … … … … is it reciprocally consistent (morally consistent)

    … … … … … … is it fully accounted? (scope, limits, and parsimony consistent)

    OUR QUESTION: HOW DO WE DEFLATE A ‘GOOD’ PROPOSITION?

    … We must test whether something is true

    … … Then whether it is good

    … … … Then whether it is possible.

    … … … … Then whether it is beautiful.

    … … … … … Then whether it is preferable to the other things that are true, good, beautiful and possible.

    … … … … … … Then whether we can obtain it by cooperation.

    SO WE CAN SOLVE BOTH DEFLATION AND COMPLETION

    Full accounting takes care of the long term. So that takes care of the darwinian question for Peterson, and reciprocity, parsimony and limits take care of the ‘omissions’ that Harris (is much more subtly) making.

    Reciprocity takes care of morality. (where we define reciprocity by criteria: “Productive, fully informed, warrantied, voluntary transfer, limited to productive externalities.”

    THE DESIRE OF MAN FOR IDEALS (one dimensional testing).

    Our optimum means of decidability is provided by anthropomorphization because this allows us to reduce complex criteria into a model that we can test by intuition and experience rather than reason.

    Man may desire a simple means of testing all his ideas, but this is not possible – our intuition is too easily overloaded, which is why clear falsehoods like mysticism, theology, pseudo-rationalism, pseudoscience, and propaganda are so effective a means of persuasion..

    We invented deflation (breaking things into pieces) to prevent us from ignorance, error, bias, wishful thinking, suggestion, obscurantism, and deceit. And Peterson is advocating simplicity (regressive thinking) instead of achieving the same ends through those means we can insure we do not deceive.

    We use analogy and conflation to convey meaning and understanding. This is called communication. And to argue based upon it is called justificationism. it evolved because we must usually explain our ‘way’ to an answer in order to communicate; we must explain our actions as moral by way of norms; and we must explain our way of permissible actions by existing laws. We have evolved in a social and therefore justificationary world – which is fine, for small homogenous polities of closely related people, who do not need to decide that which is beyond their collective experience.

    Conversely, we use truth and deflation to insure that the meaning we communicate is not constructed from error, bias, wishful thinking, and deception. This is called criticism. Or more correctly: the scientific method.

    Imagine two artists, one who constructs a sculpture by adding layers of clay, and another who removes layers of stone. We construct communication, normative, moral and legal arguments via adding layers to clay. We discover truth, adjudicate differences, by removing ignorance, bias, error, wishful thinking, suggestion, overloading, and deceit. By the comparison of construction and deconstruction we perform a competition, and discover truth candidates from our presumptions.

    We use stories (literature) to compose analogies to transfer properties and relations and values (meaning) to those that lack present understanding. Then we use criticism (analysis) to decompose the resulting properties, relations, and values into constituent parts to test whether the meaning that was conveyed is true – we cut the errors, biases, and deceits from the clay of meaning.

    BACK TO OUR EXEMPLARS

    Peterson tries to convey the problem of beliefs that cause extermination by false means, and Harris tries to circumvent that his beliefs cause extermination by incomplete means.

    Unfortunately, Harris makes his mistake because of his background of analysis and his culture, just as Peterson makes his mistake because of his background of communication and his culture. Whereas I advocate that we deny the field to both peterson’s false and harris’ incomplete means of argument, by the requiring complete means of testing truth AND preference

    So, this is why they fail. But it is still possible for us to succeed: by the combination of deflation, and stepping through each test of each dimension until we reach a condition of completeness.

    From there we can choose among the possible, that which is most preferable.

    BUT IN THE END THE LIMITS OF ARGUMENT RESULT IN THE CHOICE OF PREFERENCE BETWEEN TRUTHS

    And from there we will realize that preferences do not coincide, and so regardless of TRUTH or PREFERENCE the only actions we can take that are True, moral, and preferable are those that constitute productive, fully informed, warrantied, voluntary exchanges, limited to productive externalities.

    And it is that last sentence that is the basis of western civilization, and the single principle from which it all evolved.

    That last step is TRADE. And if trading fails, boycott, or violence are the only options that remain, not further argument.

    The jeffersonian, anglos-saxon, germanic, aryan, indo-european oath of reciprocity under sovereignty: the oath of the intiatic brotherhood of warriors.

    In the end, we pursue the true, the good, the beautiful, the preferable, and the obtainable through trade. Or we simply obtain the preferable by force.

    The first question of ethics is “if I can, then why do I not just kill or enslave you and take your women, your property, and your territory?” And denying this is the first lie we engage in.

    So these are not trivial questions. Because if we cannot come to a trade by truthful means, the only means of ‘clearing the market’ is violence.

    Curt Doolittle

    The Propertarian Institute

    Kiev, Ukraine.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-25 14:20:00 UTC

  • by Stephen Sage: –“Peterson does not have a sophisticated argument. His whole a

    by Stephen Sage:

    –“Peterson does not have a sophisticated argument. His whole apologia relies on a radical redefinition of the concept of truth/being that neither he nor anyone else can consistently implement in any other field of study, or even everyday life. He’s saying, “It’s good for us to believe in (my conception of) God, therefore God exists.”

    This same logical maneuver could be used to justify any number of stupid beliefs or to justify the suppression of good research. Plenty of religious people reject(ed) Peterson’s precious Darwinism not because it’s not true but because of some vague intuition that “Darwinism might be bad for us.” SJWs reject Peterson’s analysis of human nature and criticism of progressivism because “it’s bad for us to believe that.” I don’t trust people to make that kind of judgment as it influences the kind and quality of information I have access to.

    Darwinism is not designed to solve metaethical problems. Peterson, being a kind of arch-liberal, seems to want to smuggle in a very non-Darwinian universalism with his concern about which things are good to believe. Good for whom, Jordan? Perhaps we should not learn how viruses work because they could be weaponized and used to hurt people. But what if I get to decide whom they hurt? Whose genetic success am I supposed to care about here?

    That podcast was painful. Although I find some value in his lectures, Peterson reinforces my prejudice that Catholicism is saturated with pseudo-intellectualism, which is about as infuriating as anti-intellectualism of fundamentalist protestants. He also embarrasses himself with his constant propagandistic invocation of “the scary Nazis!”—


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-25 12:55:00 UTC

  • @jordanbpeterson @SamHarrisOrg (Truth) 2- JBP went wrong with conflating truth a

    @jordanbpeterson @SamHarrisOrg (Truth) 2- JBP went wrong with conflating truth and goodness. SH could not explain the necessity of deflation


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-24 18:20:03 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/823958559700422656

  • @jordanbpeterson @SamHarrisOrg (Truth)1-Something is first true or not, then is

    @jordanbpeterson @SamHarrisOrg (Truth)1-Something is first true or not, then is good or not, then possible or not, then preferable or not.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-24 18:18:26 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/823958150877507588

  • @jordanbpeterson Dr Peterson (Harris 8) Via Positiva: meaning, justification, an

    @jordanbpeterson Dr Peterson (Harris 8) Via Positiva: meaning, justification, and analogy. Via-Negativa: truth, criticism, and identity.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-24 17:37:47 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/823947921611747329