Theme: Sovereignty

  • OPEN LETTER TO THE COUNTER-REVOLUTION A beautiful movement. I have not seen it d

    OPEN LETTER TO THE COUNTER-REVOLUTION

    A beautiful movement. I have not seen it done better. I wish I could ‘fit into’ it. Because I am a committed monarchist.

    But the church has abandoned europe in favor of the revenues of the simple people of warmer regions it evolved to govern. And our people have abandoned the church in favor of its secular expression and democratic government.

    I see no evidence of possibility for a restoration of the church, if for no other reason than the church is unwilling to reform. But more importantly, western man has evolved to the point where he can control every aspect of nature that the church claimed god held providence over.

    So just as the cult of jesus was a heresy against the roman empire’s religion, and against the bible of the european ancient world: The Iliad: the tragedy of Achilles, and just as one of your authors has correctly stated, the American Revolution and its cult of individualism was a heresy driven only by the Colonist’s attempt to circumvent payment to the crown for the cost of the indian wars. The crown’s folly was in not adding the colonies to the houses of commons, or creating a separate house of the colonies. The colonists did not want to separate. (other than the foolishly overcommitted puritans from whom I am ashamedly descended).

    There exists a growing movement that has not yet self identified itself, that seeks to restore the myths and traditions of the church by combining christian mythos, stoic virtues and discipline, using what we have discovered from cognitive science and in particular personality traits, in combination with literary analysis and myth, including the Monomyth, the Archetypes, the Plots(Trials), and the Virtues. And instead submission to deity few believe in as other than a set of general rules of the universe, and submissive prayer an anthropomorphic character, these groups are reviving a combination the methods of the most scientific religion of the ancient world (stoicism), and the teachings of christianity, to produce an empowering rather than submissive ‘religion’.

    This technique would allow the presentation of christianity as science rather than superstition. And my estimation is that it is the most likely if not only method of providing the reformation of the catholic church that failed under Vatican II, and was never attempted by the protestant churches other than the development of american evangelical protestantism. The catholic church doubled down on ‘living as did christ’. Evangelical protestantism doubled down on fundamentalism. But while these churches are surviving in the third world among the poor and ignorant, for europeans these churches are both dead – and worse, they are poisoned for the many crimes of the church over the centuries.

    So I do not expect to achieve anything other than making you aware of what I see as a successful option that has begun to take on momentum. And for you to consider it an option to investigate. The man working on the process is Dr. Jordan Peterson. But no one is working on reforming christianity to make it transform from a superstiiton to a science. And if any group can do this it will restore the value of the church.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-07-31 21:54:00 UTC

  • SOVEREIGNTY AND DUTY Since today’s little spat with a libertarian was another ex

    SOVEREIGNTY AND DUTY

    Since today’s little spat with a libertarian was another example of how libertarians are using abrahamic pilpul to make excuses for their attempts to circumvent costs of commons I thought I would point out the obvious: that sovereignty cannot exist without duty of reciprocity.

    In other words, no rights are possible without corresponding obligations: reciprocity.

    In other words, you cannot possess sovereignty unless you are willing to fight for your own and that of others.

    Anarchists of any kind, seek precisely that escape.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-07-31 19:14:00 UTC

  • LIBERTY, SOVEREIGNTY, AGENCY LIBERTY(given by permission – body, action, and pro

    LIBERTY, SOVEREIGNTY, AGENCY

    LIBERTY(given by permission – body, action, and property),

    SOVEREIGNTY(in fact – property and body),

    AGENCY(in fact – action and thought)

    To posses LIBERTY (of life and property) you must be given it by someone with the power to take it from you.

    To posses SOVEREIGNTY (over your property) you have the ability to deny others the power to take it from you.

    To possess AGENCY (action) you must have the ability to deny others the power to take it from you. and you must have sufficient mastery of self, and knowledge to do so.

    LIBERTARIANS SEEK LIBERTY, WHILE SOVEREIGNS SEEK AGENCY


    Source date (UTC): 2017-07-31 15:49:00 UTC

  • ENDING TRADITIONALIST AND LIBERTINE FALSEHOODS (the middle class lies) The sourc

    ENDING TRADITIONALIST AND LIBERTINE FALSEHOODS

    (the middle class lies)

    The source of western civilization is heroism > sovereignty > oath/jury/rule of law > markets in everything.

    Upon the development of slavery (agriculture esp) the concept of freedom was developed. and freedom could be earned.

    Upon the development of cities, we see a middle class seek the equivalent of sovergitny (liberty) and it evolves in the literature.

    Upon the development of christian monarchies, we see the demand for liberty (preservation of local custom and rule).

    Upon the rise of the middle classes we see the develoment of liberty (freedom from arbitrary rule)

    Upon the rise of marxism we see the development of libertarianism (freedom from involuntary commons production)

    This is “True” as far as I know, and does not allow for the conflation of terms.

    What a person who is and excuse-maker does, is to try to preserve various frauds and conveniences rather than modify his arguments and language and speech to reflect the most truthful statements possible – thereby preventing further contamination of the informational commons


    Source date (UTC): 2017-07-31 14:48:00 UTC

  • (genius) by Bill Joslin The left and the libertarians, by denying the legitimacy

    (genius)

    by Bill Joslin

    The left and the libertarians, by denying the legitimacy or even presence of sovereignty in the equation, demonstrate the inability to maintain responsible use of liberty. The result being a decay of agency across the whole (lies, inability to hold a territory, inconsistent – incoherent application of law etc)

    I have been expressing this as changes in capital, but Bill Joslin has stated ***AGENCY AS CAPITAL***.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-07-31 14:39:00 UTC

  • CLASS LANGUAGE ARISTOCRACY, LIBERTY, FREEDOM (important) By Bill Joslin Isn’t th

    CLASS LANGUAGE ARISTOCRACY, LIBERTY, FREEDOM

    (important)

    By Bill Joslin

    Isn’t this a matter of class perspective?

    Aristrocrat – Heorism-Sovereinty-oath/jury/rule of law/markets in everything

    Upper middle class – Duty-oath/granted lands(property)/protection of lands (property rights)/participation in markets (liberty)

    Lower Classes – Obedience/protection/production/liberty by permission

    Something like that?

    Libertarians (current fashion) are lower classes demanding liberty on moral grounds, libertarians of old (Nobility) demand of liberty on religious grounds… both pleading while ignoring the source of liberty?

    In other words only after agency has been developed downward into the middle class can liberty be distributed downward through the classes – The same responsibility/freedom (poor words) relation I spoke of last week.

    West Civ cultivates agency across scale by creating and preserving conditions required for agency to develop (protection, insurance, restitution against impositions upon agency from other actors – property being the external manifestation and thus measure of agency).

    Only by demonstrating the responsibility to handle liberty (obedience/oath to sovereigns to not impose upon the property of others -rule of law) allows liberty be extended.

    In this context – left and libertarians, by denying the legitimacy or even presence of sovereignty in the equation demonstrate the inability to maintain responsible use of liberty. The result being a decay of agency across the whole (lies, inability to hold a territory, inconsistent – incoherent application of law etc)

    (Curt Doolittle — my point exactly. you can’t get liberty until you have a middle class and you don’t get a middle class until well after western civ has developed. BUT OMG I SEE WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITH ACCOUNTING FOR AGENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)


    Source date (UTC): 2017-07-31 14:37:00 UTC

  • WHEN YOU SAY THE WEST IS LIBERTARIAN (middle class burgher) RATHER THAN ARISTOCR

    WHEN YOU SAY THE WEST IS LIBERTARIAN (middle class burgher) RATHER THAN ARISTOCRATIC (upper class military)…

    ….I’m saying that you’re using the term liberty (absent duty of

    reciprocity in defense) and backdating it to sovereignty (including duty of reciprocity in defense) in order to continue the falsehood that what you call the condition of liberty is possible by other than militial reciprocal insurance by every man in the franchise without substitution, to a degree that is determined by market demands, producing commons to a degree that is determined by market demands, and that exit is to exit the duty (Payment) for returns of sovereignty.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-07-31 14:34:00 UTC

  • THE EVOLUTION OF SOVEREIGNTY > FREEDOM > LIBERTY > LIBERTINISM 1) BRONZE AGE: Tr

    THE EVOLUTION OF SOVEREIGNTY > FREEDOM > LIBERTY > LIBERTINISM

    1) BRONZE AGE: Tribe: Headman: Heroism+ Sovereignty as a revolt against egalitarianism >

    2) LATE BRONZE AGE: Territory: Chieftain: freedom + Slavery as class structure >

    3) IRON AGE: City: Republic: Middle class: permission + liberty > Revolt against Upper classes

    4) STEEL AGE: Nation State: Middle class: Libertarianism: democracy and jewish separatism as a revolt against socialism/communism – the escape from payment and open exploitation of the commons).


    Source date (UTC): 2017-07-31 14:29:00 UTC

  • THE DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO PRESERVE THE TERM “LIBERTARIANISM” NOW THAT ROTHBARDIAN

    THE DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO PRESERVE THE TERM “LIBERTARIANISM” NOW THAT ROTHBARDIANISM IS FALSIFIED.

    SOVEREIGNTY(made) !=FREEDOM(given) != LIBERTY(permitted)

    “Libertarianism is….”

    So, which thing are you talking about?

    Sovereignty?

    The earning of freedom (freeman)

    The liberty of the freed slave?

    The liberty of license to retain local laws?

    The liberty of taking license with norms?

    The Liberty of the french – political equality?

    The Liberty of the English – permission from the crown

    The Libertarian of the American – against marxism

    The Libertarian of the Rothbardian – against commons.

    One asks permissions from god and permissions from the government. A sovereign simply *IS* sovereign because his agency cannot be imposed upon by a third party.

    Which of those two are the origins of western civilization?

    Liberty, or sovereignty?

    HISTORY OF TERMS:

    —“At first of persons; of communities, “state of being free from arbitrary, despotic, or autocratic rule or control” is from late 15c.

    The French notion of liberty is political equality; the English notion is personal independence. [William R. Greg, “France in January 1852” in “Miscellaneous Essays”]”—

    —“Political sense of “person advocating the greatest possible liberty in thought and conduct” is from 1878. As an adjective by 1882. U.S. Libertarian Party founded in Colorado, 1971. Related: Libertarianism (1849 in religion, 1901 in politics).”—

    THESE ARE PERMISSIONS – NOT SOVEREIGNTY

    WHY DOES IT MATTER?

    The abrahamic use of half truths and terminological appropriation to grant meaning and authority or gravity or persuasive power to that which does not possess it.

    So. If as true, the political philosophy of libertarianism > anarcho capitlism was in fact invented by rothbard as the Rothbardian’s claim, then I have killed libertarianism (and I think that’s settled.)

    If you want to do as hayek did, and use the word libertarian to refer to classical liberalism. Well, that’s a part of the democratic revolution against aristocracy and the church by the middle class, as part of the enlightenment.

    If you want to recast the middle class pursuit of liberty by permission as an imitation of the origional sovereignty of western civilization, that might convey ‘meaning’ out of ‘ease’ but is is not TRUE.

    If you want to claim the basis of western civlization is LIBERTY AND LIBERTARIANISM that is simply false. It’s not even logically possible.

    HEROISM > SOVEREIGNTY > THE OATH/THE JURY/RULE OF LAW > MARKETS IN EVERYTHING

    That is the sequence and I can find no falsification of it.

    What I find is a lot of traditionalists trying to state falsehoods to preserve their malinvestments.

    THIS IS WHY I REQUIRE OPERATIONAL LANGUAGE: TO DEFEAT THE ABRAHAMIC TECHNIQUES OF DECEPTION.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-07-31 14:02:00 UTC

  • ILLIAD —“The beauty pageant queen wants peace away from war. The sovereign als

    ILLIAD

    —“The beauty pageant queen wants peace away from war. The sovereign also wants peace derived from war.”– Megan K. Usui

    (interesting)


    Source date (UTC): 2017-07-31 10:07:00 UTC