(FB 1545051716 Timestamp) CAN WE ELIMINATE RELIGION? NOT REALLY, BUT THAT REQUIRES WE DEFINE RELIGION AS MARKET DEMANDS RATHER THAN THE CURRENT MEANS OF PRODUCTION. (repost) —“However unrealistic of a goal it might be, wouldn’t the ideal situation be a world without organised religion? Or is there some benefit to religion that I’m not seeing?”—Dann Hopkins Religion is just education. that’s all. Period. The ‘trick’ of both church and state is to claim church does no education, or that state education is sufficient. We need training in physical fitness, mindfulness, manners-ethics-morals-rituals (payments to the commons), the laws, the means of calculating that we think of as the 3R’s, the skills to run a household, and the skills for employment. It does not, as it once did, provide for physical fitness. It provides mindfulness in the personal, interpersonal, and public spheres of life. It provides the some of the manners, ethics, morals rituals that are the positive laws of the social order (not negative laws as is law proper). It provides a venue for public contract making (this is my child, this is my promise to the community, this is my mate, this is our property, this person has died and his or her property may be distributed). It is, to some degree, a computational necessity – meaning that it is very bad not to have that mindfulness. It provides child-level parables and myths which are no less a form of calculation about action in the world than are laws, logic, and mathematics. But there is no reason we cannot have lessons, parables and mythos and histories for each class of people at each stage of their lives, all of which contain the same messages. There is no reason the church rather than the school, post office, or library is not still the center of civic life, and that government is not relegated to the production and maintenance of material commons, just as we keep commerce out of religion. So I think I have most of this figured out – not that I am interested in the content in and of itself, but that I understand how to frame the problem, and restore the incentives, such that the second abrahamic dark age does not capture our people.
Theme: Religion
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(FB 1544960640 Timestamp) WE ARE MORE LIKE THE CHINESE THAN THE SEMITES It is nearly impossible to talk to abrahamic monotheists what have not traveled the world and learned about other ‘religions’ because they lack the frame of reference to consider ‘religion’ as it is practiced. The more I undrestand about world religions the more obvious it is that shinto is best, hindu a bit less so, and abrahamism the worst. While buddhism has turned into a religion, and stoicism on the borderline, and chinese folk religion, Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism. We practice our folk religion still in many ways. And like the chinese we have our germanic tales (hearth religion), our our many versions of our religion, philosophy, and our law. That these are and always have been, ‘cults of the classes’ should be rather obvious. The chinese are ostensibly buddhism but they are so as much as we are christian – not so much. China is confucian. We are the same as china, not the same as the jews and muslims.
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(FB 1545060927 Timestamp) That jesus will forgive you is in practice true – for rather complex reasons, all of which are scientific if your concept of deities is that they consist of information distributed between minds. In this sense deities exist as numbers exist – and all of them exist. They have no control over nature but vast influence and control over the minds and actions of humans.
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(FB 1545060768 Timestamp) —“How do we repair our religions? Curt Doolittle, what do you think”—Muhamed Dukmak (a) no more lies (b) make lies prosecutable in court so that the state can’t intervene, (c) prosecute liars for profit until there are no more lies. (d) let our religions adapt to the prohibition on lies, (e) try to organize new religions (which is likely to include restoration of our folk religions), (f) and let the natural self interest of all of us take its course.
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(FB 1545053137 Timestamp) THE INVERTED PYRAMID OF KNOWLEDGE From Base To Top 0 – Mindfulness: Living as a Self. 1 – Religion(I): Living Amongst Men 2 – Lit(I): Understanding the Ambitions of Men 3 – History: Understanding the Limits Men (Reconciling The Reality) 4 – Sciences(K): Understanding the Universe (big, human, and small) 5 – Calculation(S): Categorization, comparison, Measurement, Reason, calculation 6 – Skill(S): Understand Application in the service of self, family, others, man. 7 – Fitness, 8 – Fighting 9 – War 10 – Rule
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(FB 1545051716 Timestamp) CAN WE ELIMINATE RELIGION? NOT REALLY, BUT THAT REQUIRES WE DEFINE RELIGION AS MARKET DEMANDS RATHER THAN THE CURRENT MEANS OF PRODUCTION. (repost) —“However unrealistic of a goal it might be, wouldn’t the ideal situation be a world without organised religion? Or is there some benefit to religion that I’m not seeing?”—Dann Hopkins Religion is just education. that’s all. Period. The ‘trick’ of both church and state is to claim church does no education, or that state education is sufficient. We need training in physical fitness, mindfulness, manners-ethics-morals-rituals (payments to the commons), the laws, the means of calculating that we think of as the 3R’s, the skills to run a household, and the skills for employment. It does not, as it once did, provide for physical fitness. It provides mindfulness in the personal, interpersonal, and public spheres of life. It provides the some of the manners, ethics, morals rituals that are the positive laws of the social order (not negative laws as is law proper). It provides a venue for public contract making (this is my child, this is my promise to the community, this is my mate, this is our property, this person has died and his or her property may be distributed). It is, to some degree, a computational necessity – meaning that it is very bad not to have that mindfulness. It provides child-level parables and myths which are no less a form of calculation about action in the world than are laws, logic, and mathematics. But there is no reason we cannot have lessons, parables and mythos and histories for each class of people at each stage of their lives, all of which contain the same messages. There is no reason the church rather than the school, post office, or library is not still the center of civic life, and that government is not relegated to the production and maintenance of material commons, just as we keep commerce out of religion. So I think I have most of this figured out – not that I am interested in the content in and of itself, but that I understand how to frame the problem, and restore the incentives, such that the second abrahamic dark age does not capture our people.
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1544960640 Timestamp) WE ARE MORE LIKE THE CHINESE THAN THE SEMITES It is nearly impossible to talk to abrahamic monotheists what have not traveled the world and learned about other ‘religions’ because they lack the frame of reference to consider ‘religion’ as it is practiced. The more I undrestand about world religions the more obvious it is that shinto is best, hindu a bit less so, and abrahamism the worst. While buddhism has turned into a religion, and stoicism on the borderline, and chinese folk religion, Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism. We practice our folk religion still in many ways. And like the chinese we have our germanic tales (hearth religion), our our many versions of our religion, philosophy, and our law. That these are and always have been, ‘cults of the classes’ should be rather obvious. The chinese are ostensibly buddhism but they are so as much as we are christian – not so much. China is confucian. We are the same as china, not the same as the jews and muslims.
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(FB 1545084448 Timestamp) Religions, Moneylending, and Commerce are universalist, but Militias,Armies,Kings, and the Law are Nationalist.
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(FB 1545219478 Timestamp) THE TRUTH IS A HARSH RELIGION –“for a “scientist,” you have an awfully 7th-grade level of religious understanding. just a quick scroll through your feed shows a total lack of discernment when it even comes to the most basic differences between monotheistic faiths, as if you can just say “muh abrahamism” and that somehow means anything as an umbrella term. don’t you think that, if you’re going to claim to be empirical and objective, you should at least take the time to understand what you’re talking about?”—Michael Witcoff (As if my campaign against abrahamic sophism is limited to the old world religions of judaism, christianity, and islam – and the new world religions of marxism, socialism, postmodernism, feminism, and anti-europeanism – as much as it is against the causes of demand for falsehoods, and our ability to provide an alternative due to lack of understanding and costs.) That isnt a criticism. it’s an excuse. religion consists of what existed before 7th grade education, and declines now that we have that education. There is a reason religiosity deceases with intelligence and knowledge. There is a reason religiosity increases with declines in intelligence. There is a reason religiosity increases with diversity and decreases with homogeneity. In other words, religion as you understand it, is symptomatic of ‘the bad’. Yet, there is a reason why we have demand for personal, interpersonal, civic, and political rituals and feasts. there are many ways of supplying that demand. That’s the evidence from around the world and throughout history. The fact that one can scientifically articulate the causes of tht demand and the range of methods of supplying it is no more mysterious than the study of any other human behavior. Sure, it was the hard problem of social science. But that was only because of the poor framing of the work in understanding it. Einstein, Menger and Darwin were revolutionary because of their understanding that the problem was framing. Once you understand the commonality between their discoveries was framing (and once you understand my work for that matter) it is rather easy to see that the problem of religion as behavioral therapy is rather obvious. And therefore the satisfaction of demand for that problem by more constructive means, and eliminating the need for therapy by eliminating its causes: alienation. Patients easily become addicted to their therapists. So your ‘criticism’ that I should ‘understand’ (sympathize) is nothing more than the appeal of the gambler, drunk or addict, for sympathy with the experience of gambling, drunkenness or addiction. I want to and others want to find a form of MEDICATION that is not harmful to the host.
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(FB 1545151057 Timestamp) PROPERTARIANISM AND STOICISM VS BUDDHISM? —“We ought to discuss Buddhism (I am a Buddhist) and Propertarianism (I’ve discussed various matters with Curt Doolittle) in the future.”— Andrew Taylor by The Propertarian Institute It’s not complicated. Buddhism evolved out of hinduism’s ‘spiritualism’ and because of that started out very similar to stoicism but with less empirical names of phenomenon, and was largely a way of developing mindfulness by way of REJECTING the world. Stoicism began as self authoring and was very close to the then-greco-roman empirical method. It’s purpose was to facilitate ACTION in the world, despite our emotions. Stoicism was incorporated into christianity when the stoic schools were forcibly closed by the christian hordes. Buddhism was adopted widely but evolved into a religion rather than a discipline. This has to do largely with the means of spreading stoicism (middle class schools) vs the means of spreading buddhism (common folk under direction of independent teachers, and eventually out of political utility as in japan. ) Where buddhism is pacific and heroic, stoicism is martial and heroic. Otherwise they are similar. My suspicion is that stoicism would have turned into a religion like stoicism if it had not been suppressed by the jews, christians, and the byzantine (greek) re-conquest of rome.