(FB 1544298380 Timestamp) WHAT DO THESE RELIGIOUS TERMS MEAN? You won’t like the answers…. What do the rituals mean? Membership Fees. What is sacrament? Debt Creation. What is atonement? Debt Repayment. What is baptism? Debt Forgiveness What is the priesthood? Accountant. I told you that you wouldn’t like the answers. All these ‘fancy words’ are code words for debt for creatures who are extremely sensitive to proportionality. (reciprocity). Christianity consists uniquely of just the rules I stated, respect for the women and slaves, in retaliation against tripartism and aristocracy, and nothing else. Everything else is simply our pre-literate western tradition
Theme: Religion
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1544293231 Timestamp) I just want to point out that Anglo Christians run away like cowards when challenged. Russians don’t run. They watch. They correct errors. They listen. They learn. They hold their faith. Why? Because faith is not something to argue like the law. Orthodoxy didn’t malinvest in christianity, because christianity never was the source of Russian corruption of oppression or parasitism. It certainly was in europe. One simply performs christian rituals and learns from them. One does not treat them as logic, law, or science. And one does not cower from the the dissonance between faith, reason, and science. Germans are similar in that they all too often cannot conceive of the difference between the moral, good, and true. They straddle the world. However, they are the most ‘correct’ of the civilizations – at least prior to the world wars under which their prussianism was conquered ‘unjustly’. So again, the high trust west, lower trust catholics, lower trust orthodox, and lowest trust east asians. A division of labor of the circumpolar peoples. High risk and innovation to low risk and conservation. Christianity is weak because christians are weak.
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Consciousness > Cooperation > Narration > Animism > Anthropomorphism > Idealism
Consciousness > Cooperation > Narration > Animism > Anthropomorphism > Idealism > Abrahamism (judaism, islam) > Christian Theology > Rational Philosophy > Law > Science > Logic > Mathematics
December 8th, 2018 1:11 PM
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1544292535 Timestamp) (HINT: What I am doing is teaching you how to deflate that form of law, education, and indoctrination we call religion into constituent parts, and therefore give you the vocabulary to discuss it as operations rather than ideals.)
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1544299862 Timestamp) —If we had the icelandic church here I would go. I don’t care about desert dwelling sheep-f–kers. I want to hear the history of our people, and the lessons that we can learn from that. Learn from men who are gods not slaves.—
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1544289574 Timestamp) IS IT POSSIBLE TO ELIMINATE RELIGION? Well yes, but again, it’s not possible to deny that religion did serve as a (very) cheap (simple) universal (available to morons) education (training) in mindfulness (and sacredness – non-consumption ), and in the positive laws (manners, ethics, morals, rituals, traditions) in an era where only the privileged could get an education. The only difficult education in that list is mindfulness and stoicism was clearly the best of all methods of mindfulness discovered in both the ancient world and the present (cognitive behavioral therapy). The rest is just ordinary education through repetition (ritual) and oath (prayer). There is nothing else other than the act of doing all that repetition and oath in public. There is some advantage and giving that oath to a proxy (ancestor, king, hero, god) rather than to each other – those with whom we have material conflicts. That abrahamism and the abrahamic religions are outright evil is not to say that the category of training (education) religions provided is not both beneficial, and very likely, necessary – because it’s as unnatural as reading and math. The question is how can we convert the depreciating asset that is our existing religious infrastructure into a new asset that is appreciating, and removes the vulnerability and harm of the past.
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1544298380 Timestamp) WHAT DO THESE RELIGIOUS TERMS MEAN? You won’t like the answers…. What do the rituals mean? Membership Fees. What is sacrament? Debt Creation. What is atonement? Debt Repayment. What is baptism? Debt Forgiveness What is the priesthood? Accountant. I told you that you wouldn’t like the answers. All these ‘fancy words’ are code words for debt for creatures who are extremely sensitive to proportionality. (reciprocity). Christianity consists uniquely of just the rules I stated, respect for the women and slaves, in retaliation against tripartism and aristocracy, and nothing else. Everything else is simply our pre-literate western tradition
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1544288676 Timestamp) CAN WE ELIMINATE RELIGION? NOT REALLY, BUT THAT REQUIRES WE DEFINE RELIGION AS MARKET DEMANDS RATHER THAN THE CURRENT MEANS OF PRODUCTION. —“However unrealistic of a goal it might be, wouldn’t the ideal situation be a world without organised religion? Or is there some benefit to religion that I’m not seeing?”—Dann Hopkins Religion is just education. that’s all. Period. The ‘trick’ of both church and state is to claim church does no education, or that state education is sufficient. We need training in physical fitness, mindfulness, manners-ethics-morals-rituals (payments to the commons), the laws, the means of calculating that we think of as the 3R’s, the skills to run a household, and the skills for employment. It does not, as it once did, provide for physical fitness. It provides mindfulness in the personal, interpersonal, and public spheres of life. It provides the some of the manners, ethics, morals rituals that are the positive laws of the social order (not negative laws as is law proper). It provides a venue for public contract making (this is my child, this is my promise to the community, this is my mate, this is our property, this person has died and his or her property may be distributed). It is, to some degree, a computational necessity – meaning that it is very bad not to have that mindfulness. It provides child-level parables and myths which are no less a form of calculation about action in the world than are laws, logic, and mathematics. But there is no reason we cannot have lessons, parables and mythos and histories for each class of people at each stage of their lives, all of which contain the same messages. There is no reason the church rather than the school, post office, or library is not still the center of civic life, and that government is not relegated to the production and maintenance of material commons, just as we keep commerce out of religion. So I think I have most of this figured out – not that I am interested in the content in and of itself, but that I understand how to frame the problem, and restore the incentives, such that the second abrahamic dark age does not capture our people.
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1544293231 Timestamp) I just want to point out that Anglo Christians run away like cowards when challenged. Russians don’t run. They watch. They correct errors. They listen. They learn. They hold their faith. Why? Because faith is not something to argue like the law. Orthodoxy didn’t malinvest in christianity, because christianity never was the source of Russian corruption of oppression or parasitism. It certainly was in europe. One simply performs christian rituals and learns from them. One does not treat them as logic, law, or science. And one does not cower from the the dissonance between faith, reason, and science. Germans are similar in that they all too often cannot conceive of the difference between the moral, good, and true. They straddle the world. However, they are the most ‘correct’ of the civilizations – at least prior to the world wars under which their prussianism was conquered ‘unjustly’. So again, the high trust west, lower trust catholics, lower trust orthodox, and lowest trust east asians. A division of labor of the circumpolar peoples. High risk and innovation to low risk and conservation. Christianity is weak because christians are weak.
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1544287916 Timestamp) IT DEPENDS UPON HOW YOU DEFINE CHRISTIANITY —“I’m confused about something. If you don’t think biblical Christianity is actually true, e.g.you think it is based on elaborate deception, then how is it allowable? How is it beneficial? I believe you’ve made a point of calling out intentional deception as unallowable in society. What reason is there to assume that you can take away non-deceptive parts and dump the rest, and still have a workable system? My impression is that the Jefferson Bible is in no sense Christianity. (my apologies if this is already addressed in the video or elsewhere; I haven’t watched yet)”— Matt Evans Well, that depends upon what you call ‘christianity’ and whether you think it’s good. Christianity can be the scientific content, and the consequences of that scientific content, which while very limited we can demonstrate are in fact good. Or whether you think Christianity is all the nonsense that is wrapped around it (lies). As a scientist I have to acknowledge that the optimum game theory humans can play is the christian command for love of others. I can’t escape that. As a scientist I have to acknowledge that everything else about christianity is catastrophically bad, even if not as evil as judaism or islam. Now, once we distill christianity down to those few rules (rules of optimum prisoner’s dilemma), the question is whether it is still ‘christianity’ in any meaningful way. I would argue that it is still christianity, because religions constitute our means of intuitionistically training members of the polity, nation, and civilization, to pursue the same strategy – hopefully one in their interest – that allows different groups to cooperate at large scale. I think (well I’m certain) that the short list of rules in christianity are optimums. But I do not think the jesus story is good. I am certain the god story is bad. And I think as do many that the christian god is a semitic tyrant over the semitic slaves – and completely against the interests of our people – which is why our people have incrementally escaped christianity, turned it to our own, while the jews and muslims have only become more obsessed with theirs. So, in attempting to solve the problem of the future, how can we provide the same psychological, social, and political functions as did christianity, and suppress, defeat, or eliminate competitors to those rules – competitors that would return us to the semitic darkness that we have saved ourselves from. Now, we have tools of: Naturalism(reality) < Logic and Mathematics (Measurement) < Science(Due DIligence, Naturalism) < Law+Economics(Decidability) < History (Evidence) < Literature (Analogy, Pedagogy, Theorizing), Philosophy (Removing Science), and Theology(Removing Reason) to work with. And I can find no reason to gracefully fail across the spectrum of Measurements, Due Diligence, Decidability < Evidence < Pedagogy, if we supply mindfulness (what we consider spirituality) through equally scientific means (training). And if we have to teach people SOMETHING, why teach them a falsehood when we can teach the same content truthfully (scientifically)? And the only answer is to preserve the psychological malinvestment of preceding generations at the expense of all past and future generations. I think moral education – and a uniform one – is necessary, just as is fitness, daily survival knowledge, calculation ability, and job skills. I think personal, interpersonal, and civic mindfulness is a natural demand of conscious creatures. I think the civic ritual of church: the oath, the historical lessons, and the balance between the heroic tragic warrior and the loving tragic saint (jesus) are important. One can look at the great religions and traditions and observe relatively easily how each tries to, and succeeds in, providing those goods in satisfaction of those demands. It is very difficult to look at judaism, and islam and say that they are other than a destructive force in the world compared to the other religions and traditions – particularly the hindu, chinese and japanese traditions. When we look at christianity it was designed as and used as a destructive force in the world. And the three abrahamic religions are responsible for more evil than all but the great plagues. Our ancestors succeeded in germanizing christianity by keeping it’s good parts and eliminating its bad parts. I see my function, and our function as the living generation encountering this remaining problem, as continuing to modernize that “sick, twisted, desert anti-civilizational blood cult’, into an institution like the catholic church once provided as a competitor to the state, and restoring its role in education, but to deprive it of semitic deceits, and use our own far superior history. I might fail, but it is my job to remove as much lying from our civilization in order to defend our high-trust people against further decline. And if that means the church must further reform then that’s what it means. The alternative is not restoration, but that the church, within a generation or so, will die off. Numbers are numbers. The church doesn’t have any. IF we are to have a church so to speak, and a civic religion that is more than just legalism, that includes the personal mindfulness, socialization and festival that legalism doesn’t provide – making us all invested in one another – then we need a church that provides future benefits to people not past. And while I haven’t discussed much of this in public yet, I think I know at least MOST of the answer. We never ceased being polytheistic. Ever. Just as we are poly grammatical (Frames, Paradigms). Many heroes are always better than one, as long as they are compatible. We are too different in our abilities, social roles, occupations and responsibilities. There is a basis upon which the heroic family in all her grammars and stories, rests, and that is Individual Sovereignty, the natural law of reciprocity, truth and duty and, yes, charity. And it is christian charity: exhaustive optimism and investment in others – rather than donations or mental fantasies that forms that basis.