RT @DegenRolf: Robin Dunbar argues that religion evolved to allow humans to live together in previously unknown large-scale communities wit…
Source date (UTC): 2020-01-24 12:41:18 UTC
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(Organized religion): Feast > Death(Burial) > Tribes (trust building) > Seasons-Astrology (Calendaring) > Scripture (Writing) > Monotheism (conflict)
Source date (UTC): 2020-01-24 12:41:12 UTC
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Robin Dunbar argues that religion evolved to allow humans to live together in previously unknown large-scale communities without killing each other. https://t.co/gyUNYBdBxr https://t.co/lWSgDVdT1Q
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Q:”THE TRIALS OF ACHILLES?”
—“You keep mentioning trials of Achilles but I have no idea what that’s intended to refer and I wonder if you’re not thinking of labors of Heracles?”—Martin Štěpán
The greeks invented the tragedy (nietzsche), and it was a novel technology of social order that justified sacrifice as heroism, and unity in that sacrifice and heroism. it made tragedy a positive social theme of shared debt (cost) experience.
The Iliad is a tragedy, the tragedy of achilles, as he goes through multiple trials.
The trials of achilles refer to each of the episodes where he prevails – only to ask, but at what cost?
“Trial: a person, thing, or situation that tests a person’s endurance or forbearance.”
It is easy to see why the jews tried to create an underclass Achilles. Because the tragedy had already been saturated across the greek world: “undermine from within.”
The same is true for the Odyssey. if we take achilles , alexander, and odyssey we have the entire arc of tragedy. The ‘weak’ (defensive) version is Arthur and Jesus.
Source date (UTC): 2020-01-24 11:00:00 UTC
The vast majority of literature in the ancient world was commentary on the Iliad just as the vast majority of literature in the medieval world was on the bible. In fact, the fragments of the library at Alexandria – regardless of how that library was physically constructed – were mostly commentary on the Iliad. (The trials of Achilles)
Source date (UTC): 2020-01-24 08:11:00 UTC
OUR RIGHT TO RELIGION
I demand the right to personally and collectively pay debts to and gain wisdom from, the entire host of my people’s gods, demigods, and heroes from our foundation forward. To transfer that debt and wisdom between generations, and to defend commons constructed by that debt and wisdom from dilution, diminution, competition, and harm.
Source date (UTC): 2020-01-24 08:03:00 UTC
Evolution of Religion:
(Organized religion): Feast > Death(Burial) > Tribes (trust building) > Seasons-Astrology (Calendaring) > Scripture (Writing) > Monotheism (conflict)
DEBT PAYMENTS
Source date (UTC): 2020-01-24 07:57:00 UTC
SCIENCE: Church Ritual is more important than dogma or belief. The problem is people think the opposite. If we have church rituals (surrender to the pack) where we are all rendered equal in safety for just a moment, any content will do. It causes an addiction response for the same reason pack membership causes an addiction response. Why this is complicated is beyond me.
My question is how to create those experiences across the spectrum of people who need different pack responses. I feel safe around thousands of armed men. Women feel safe in a church full of chattering women. Some people feel safe in a sports arena. Some over family dinner. These are all pack-feast rituals. And we apparently need them to feel ‘whole’ (mindfulness.)
Source date (UTC): 2020-01-24 07:20:00 UTC
—“So, you would consider Christianity a desert cult?”—Dan Ver Woert
I don’t do name calling, but I would consider the advice of Jesus to be a philosophy that is, at least by present scientific standards, the optimum for man. I would say that as I’ve secularized it, it’s just a statement of social science. I would say that the supernatural elements are nonsense, and that the pilpul and critique with which it was promoted, are a human cancer, but if jesus had been added to the pantheon rather than a monopoly we would have had contributed to the janus-face of man. Instead christianity was used and is used to keep man ignorant by undermining the only ‘true’ religion “debt to ancestors nature in the continuous evolution(transcendence) of man”.
Source date (UTC): 2020-01-24 07:10:00 UTC
YES I KNOW IT’S HARD FOR CHRISTIANS
I know this is hard for the devoted Christians but until we come to terms with the christian destruction of the ancient world and the jewish, christian, islamic dark ages that resulted we cannot understand the reason for the success of the second abrahamic destruction of the western world by the pseudoscientific version of abrahamism by marxism, cultural Marxism, postmodernism, feminism, and that form of denialism and deceit we call political correctness.
All western people are a mixture of Aryan and Germanic,
Greco Roman, Christian, and Aristotelian-scientific heritages. There is something wonderful to be taken from each.
It’s not hard for me because I find no challenge imitating Aristotle, Alexander, and Jesus as the three faces of our people.
Source date (UTC): 2020-01-23 22:49:00 UTC
by Scott De Warren
Christianity attempts to disable Western man’s mind from appropriate responses to distinctions between male/female morality, aristocrat/slave morality, European/Semitic morality by saying “it doesn’t matter as we are all one in Christ (against Rome which symbolizes European civilization) ”.
This denialism of obvious truths is an inversion of the traditional aristocratic truth based honor morality and aesthetic of European civilization (heroism, martial valor, fame and glory, strength, beauty, truth, demonstrated familial excellence over time creating aristocracy and nobility).
Christianity is designed to make humans into submissive herd animals (sheep) as it’s symbolism makes explicit.
Christianity’s hatred of the brilliance of classical European civilization expresses an outsider’s envious critique of an excellence it can never achieve and so wishes to tear down so that its glory doesn’t make the alien’s people look so backward and pathetic in contrast. This envy of and desire to destroy Europeans is at the root of all three monotheist desert cults.
Source date (UTC): 2020-01-23 16:40:00 UTC