Theme: Religion

  • GOOD AND EVIL IS A MIDDLE EASTERN NOT EUROPEAN CONCEPT —-“Good and evil were i

    GOOD AND EVIL IS A MIDDLE EASTERN NOT EUROPEAN CONCEPT

    —-“Good and evil were invented in the middle east to facilitate cultural warfare between the middle east and the indians. European religion used chaos and mischief vs order, and our gods were ‘real people’ with real frailties.” – Curt Doolittle

    —“The concepts “good” and “evil” are actually Indo-European in origin. Etymology dictionaries are useful. Better perhaps to say that our misconceptions about what exactly those terms mean are influenced by Middle Eastern philosophy…”—AunMarie Grooms

    Indo european a language and cultural family of genetically west eurasians of the proto-European, proto-Caucasian, proto-Iranic but NOT proto-turkic post glacial maximum peoples. The proto-caucasians and anatolians appear to have been lost to us.

    As far as I know, good and evil are indo-iranic not indo european. It’s unlikely that I err. The division between European, iranic, indo-iranic results in European (aristocratic egalitarian and martial), Persian(aristocratic authoritarian and martial), and Hindu( caste, duty-role, and ‘priestly’) pantheons.

    The argument put forth by others which I got from Karen Armstrong, was that it appears that the north and west europeans developed more so in the corded ware culture(material), and the iranics more in the vedas (spiritual), and that this is largely because etherial religion as we understand it evolved in what we call Mesopotamia-Anatolia or, more precisely, along the euphrates.

    It’s most likely that religious pantheons developed differently due to differences in indo european ethnicities, and strategies. The west pretty much killed everyone they came in contact with (or at least the males) because the neolithic farmers were not developed enough to resist them. But as the iranic people migrated east to india, then south of the caspian, then west back into Mesopotamia they encountered developed peoples that they had to conquer.

    So, iranics and indo iranics used hierarchy to rule an compete with others like the indus valley people and the Mesopotamians while europeans maintained aristocratic egalitarianism and didn’t develop authoritarianism until the late roman empire – and even then – they would have been more successful if they’d been much more authoritarian and much less tolerant.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-22 10:06:00 UTC

  • “Abrahamism is unique in all the world for separating “perfect divinity” from “f

    —“Abrahamism is unique in all the world for separating “perfect divinity” from “flawed humanity.” Christianity is uniquely pagan enough to re-humanize the divinity it worships.”—Anne Summers

    oooh… that was smart. yes. I didn’t think of saying it that succinctly, but yes.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-22 08:40:00 UTC

  • OBJECTIVE MEASURES OF GOOD AND EVIL? by Brandon Hayes —“Do you believe there a

    OBJECTIVE MEASURES OF GOOD AND EVIL?

    by Brandon Hayes

    —“Do you believe there are any objective measures of good and evil?”—Tim Allen Musse

    I would use the term Righteous and Evil.

    Evil < Bad < Immoral < Unethical < Amoral > Ethical > Moral > Good > Righteous

    Measures for a given action are put up against a test of reciprocity.

    Evil is harm done for harms sake.

    Good = Productive

    Bad = Unproductive

    Righteous is the extinguishing of Evil.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-22 08:22:00 UTC

  • THE EIGHTH DAY “Evensong” by Lester del Rey. It details the capture of a being,

    THE EIGHTH DAY

    “Evensong” by Lester del Rey. It details the capture of a being, identified at the end of the story as God, by Man, which has usurped God’s power.

    EVENSONG

    By the time he reached the surface of the little planet, even the dregs of his power were drained. Now he rested, drawing reluctant strength from the yellow sun that shone on the greensward around him. His senses were dim with an ultimate fatigue, but the fear he had learned from the Usurpers drove them outward, seeking a further hint of sanctuary.

    It was a peaceful world, he realized, and the fear thickened in him at the discovery. In his younger days, he had cherished a multitude of worlds where the game of life’s ebb and flow could be played to the hilt. But the Usurpers could brook no rivals to their own outreaching lust. The very peace and order here meant that this world had once been theirs.

    He tested for them gingerly while the merest whisper of strength poured into him. None were here now. He could have sensed the pressure of their close presence at once, and there was no trace of that. The even grassland swept in rolling meadows and swales to the distant hills. There were marble structures in the distance, sparkling whitely in the late sunlight, but they were empty, their unknown purpose altered to no more than decoration now upon this abandoned planet. His attention swept back, across a stream to the other side of the wide valley.

    There he found the garden. Within low walls, its miles of expanse were a tree-crowded and apparently untended preserve. He could sense the stirring of larger animal life among the branches and along the winding paths. The brawling vigor of all proper life was missing, but its abundance might be enough to mask his own vestige of living force from more than careful search.

    It was at least a better refuge than this open greensward and he longed toward it, but the danger of betraying motion held him still where he was. He had thought his previous escape to be assured, but he was learning that even he could err. Now he waited while he tested once more for evidence of Usurper trap.

    He had mastered patience in the confinement the Usurpers had designed at the center of the galaxy. He had gathered his power furtively while he designed escape around their reluctance to make final disposition. Then he had burst outward in a drive that should have thrust him far beyond the limits of their hold on the universe. And he had found failure before he could span even the distance to the end of this spiral arm of one galactic fastness.

    Their webs of detection were everywhere, seemingly. Their great power-robbing lines made a net too fine to pass. Stars and worlds were linked, until only a series of miracles had carried him this far. And now the waste of power for such miracles was no longer within his reach. Since their near failure in entrapping and sequestering him, they had learned too much.

    Now he searched delicately, afraid to trip some alarm, but more afraid to miss its existence. From space, this world had offered the only hope in its seeming freedom from their webs. But only micro-seconds had been available to him for his testing then.

    At last he drew his perceptions back. He could find no slightest evidence of their lures and detectors here. He had begun to suspect that even his best efforts might not be enough now, but he could do no more. Slowly at first, and then in a sudden rush, he hurled himself into the maze of the garden.

    Nothing struck from the skies. Nothing leaped upwards from the planet core to halt him. There was no interruption in the rustling of the leaves and the chirping bird songs. The animal sounds went on unhindered. Nothing seemed aware of his presence in the garden. Once that would have been unthinkable in itself, but now he drew comfort from it. He must be only a shadow self now, unknown and unknowable in his passing.

    Something came down the path where he rested, pattering along on hoofs that touched lightly on the spoilage of fallen leaves. Something else leaped quickly through the light underbrush beside the path.

    He let his attention rest on them as they both emerged onto the near pathway at once. And cold horror curled thickly around him.

    One was a rabbit, nibbling now at the leaves of clover and twitching long ears as its pink nose stretched out for more. The other was a young deer, still bearing the spots of its fawnhood. Either or both might have seemingly been found on any of a thousand worlds. But neither would have been precisely of the type before him.

    This was the Meeting World—the planet where he had first found the ancestors of the Usurpers. Of all worlds in the universe, it had to be this world he sought for refuge!

    They were savages back in the days of his full glory, confined to this single world, rutting and driving their way to the lawful self-destruction of all such savages. And yet there had been something odd about them, something that then drew his attention and even his vagrant pity.

    Out of that pity, he had taught a few of them, and led them upwards. He had even nursed poetic fancies of making them his companions and his equals as the life span of their sun should near its ending. He had answered their cries for help and given them at least some of what they needed to set their steps toward power over even space and energy. And they had rewarded him by overweening pride that denied even a trace of gratitude. He had abandoned them finally to their own savage ends and gone on to other worlds, to play out the purposes of a wider range.

    It was his second folly. They were too far along the path toward unlocking the laws behind the universe. Somehow, they even avoided their own destruction from themselves. They took the worlds of their sun and drove outwards, until they could even vie with him for the worlds he had made particularly his own. And now they owned them all, and he had only a tiny spot here on their world—for a time at least.

    The horror of the realization that this was the Meeting World abated a little as he remembered now how readily their spawning hordes possessed and abandoned worlds without seeming end. And again the tests he could make showed no evidence of them here. He began to relax again, feeling a sudden hope from what had been temporary despair. Surely they might also believe this was the one planet where he would never seek sanctuary.

    Now he set his fears aside and began to force his thoughts toward the only pattern that could offer hope. He needed power, and power was available in any area untouched by the webs of the Usurpers. It had drained into space itself throughout the aeons, a waste of energy that could blast suns or build them in legions. It was power to escape, perhaps even to prepare himself eventually to meet them with at least a chance to force truce, if not victory. Given even a few hours free of their notice, he could draw and hold that power for his needs.

    He was just reaching for it when the sky thundered and the sun seemed to darken for a moment!

    The fear in him gibbered to the surface and sent him huddling from sight of the sky before he could control it. But for a brief moment there was still a trace of hope in him. It could have been a phenomenon caused by his own need for power; he might have begun drawing too heavily, too eager for strength.

    Then the earth shook, and he knew.

    The Usurpers were not fooled. They knew he was here—had never lost him. And now they had followed in all their massive lack of subtlety. One of their scout ships had landed, and the scout would come seeking him.

    He fought for control of himself, and found it long enough to drive his fear back down within himself. Now, with a care that disturbed not even a blade of grass or leaf on a twig, he began retreating, seeking the denser undergrowth at the center of the garden where all life was thickest. With that to screen him, he might at least draw a faint trickle of power, a strength to build a subtle brute aura around himself and let him hide among the beasts. Some Usurper scouts were young and immature. Such a one might be fooled into leaving. Then, before his report could be acted on by others, there might still be a chance….

    He knew the thought was only a wish, not a plan, but he clung to it as he huddled in the thicket at the center of the garden. And then even the fantasy was stripped from him.

    The sound of footsteps was firm and sure. Branches broke as the steps came forward, not deviating from a straight line. Inexorably, each firm stride brought the Usurper nearer to his huddling place. Now there was a faint glow in the air, and the animals were scampering away in terror.

    He felt the eyes of the Usurper on him, and he forced himself away from that awareness. And, like fear, he found that he had learned prayer from the Usurpers; he prayed now desperately to a nothingness he knew, and there was no answer.

    “Come forth! This earth is a holy place and you cannot remain upon it, Our judgement is done and a place is prepared for you. Come forth and let me take you there!” The voice was soft, but it carried a power that stilled even the rustling of the leaves.

    He let the gaze of the Usurper reach him now, and the prayer in him was mute and directed outward—and hopeless, as he knew it must be.

    “But—” Words were useless, but the bitterness inside him forced the words to come from him. “But why? I am God!”

    For a moment, something akin to sadness and pity was in the eyes of the Usurper. Then it passed as the answer came. “I know. But I am Man. Come!”

    He bowed at last, silently, and followed slowly as the yellow sun sank behind the walls of the garden.

    And the evening and the morning were the eighth day.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 16:18:00 UTC

  • THERE IS ONLY ONE SCIENTIFIC METHOD FOR THE CONSTITUTION OF GODS – AND I THINK W

    THERE IS ONLY ONE SCIENTIFIC METHOD FOR THE CONSTITUTION OF GODS – AND I THINK WE KNOW IT

    —“Empirical mechanism for such phenomena not yet found, “—

    Well as the top physicists have already stated, we know the complete spectrum of forces because there is no ‘room’ for any other force. So no, no information can exist in the spectrum. I can’t remember who works on this (but I know how to find out), and it’s sort of taboo for the reasons that are obvious – it threatens faith the occult that faith depends upon.

    But, just as we know the complete composition of chemistry, we know the complete composition of interacting forces. What we don’t know is the geometry of the primary force that creates the grammar we know of as quantum mechanics, that would explain gravity at the quantum level and unite quantum(small) and relativistic (large) – both of which are currently descriptive rather than causal.

    God is just what I said it was above: an archetypal character with whom we intuititionistically(auto-associatively) role play (predict), as we would a parent or headman, and through that filter – a filter to whom we are as transparent as we were to parents and headmen – we can judge our intuitions.

    Man is the measure of all things to man, because man is the only system of measurement available to man. God is a system of measurement in the group’s ideal of man to imitate (jesus, Achilles) a demigod to aspire to (odin, Hercules,), a god to negotiate with (zeus, thor, tyr), one to obey (jehova, allah), or one to simply understand (deism, the physical and natural laws). Any creature inventing a god would invent one in his image just as we have – and just as the hundreds of gods have been invented abandoned or lost before the present gods.

    Science killed the lie of god and discovered the truth of god, and the laws of the universe, and only europeans have done so.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 13:25:00 UTC

  • A GOD IS A SYSTEM OF MEASUREMENT Man is the measure of all things to man, becaus

    A GOD IS A SYSTEM OF MEASUREMENT

    Man is the measure of all things to man, because man is the only system of measurement available to man. God is a system of measurement in the group’s ideal of man to imitate (as in Jesus, or Achilles) a demigod to aspire to (Odin, Hercules), a god to negotiate with (zeus, thor, tyr), one to obey (jehova, allah), or one to simply understand (deism, the physical and natural laws). Any creature inventing a god would invent one in his image just as we have – and just as the hundreds of gods have been invented abandoned or lost before the present gods.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 13:24:00 UTC

  • SCIENCE PRESERVING FAITH They means of preserving the faith under the science of

    SCIENCE PRESERVING FAITH

    They means of preserving the faith under the science of gods as information, is that while protocol is behavior, and the transmission between people (nodes, modules) is slow (in itself a survival technique), it is possible that the host (body of the faithful) functions as a collectively subconscious organism, and that given synchronicity, we all operate as if there were a physical connection, when in fact, the only connection is the information we are subject to by our sense, perception, auto-association. This provides a rational and scientific explanation for why religion does work despite the pantheon of grammars we express it in. It explains the value of Jesus and nature for the submissive (uncompetitive) and the traditional(dominant, competitive) european gods as dominance expression. This ends the problem of the multiplicity of conflicting gods, and the evident and undeniable failure of gods in all material things, and that god created the universe, but leaves the rest of theology intact. So this leaves us with a scientific view of every religion that does not seek to dominate any other religion, and falsifies every religion that does seek to dominate other religions. Furthermore, it explains the western pantheon of scientific, normative-legal, ideal philosophical and theological grammars as satisfying the language of each group of ‘gods’ in our pantheon. If you pray to your god, talk to your god, or think in the language of your deity, or your deism, you will participate in the construction of that ‘will’.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 11:45:00 UTC

  • THINKING THINGS THRU IS SCARY —“Faith without works is dead.”—John Brennan –

    THINKING THINGS THRU IS SCARY

    —“Faith without works is dead.”—John Brennan

    —“Faith without works is free riding. It’s a crime. ;)”—Curt Doolittle

    —“Faith without works is:

    1 – Baiting into hazard for oneself in both religious and logical terms,

    2 – Making an unfalsifiable promise to the commons (i.e believe in Jesus and be saved in afterlife),

    3 – Parasitism on others within the higher-trust group of other faithful

    All of which are violations of reciprocity.

    Even though faith attempts to define reciprocity as “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” it lacks the grammar to break it down to what it really means and how to apply it.

    P. solves that problem.”—James Dmitro Makienko


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 09:24:00 UTC

  • Gods install firmware. 😉

    Gods install firmware. 😉


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 09:22:00 UTC

  • HOW GODS EXIST AND FUNCTION by Curt Doolittle and Stephen Wells -by Stephen Well

    HOW GODS EXIST AND FUNCTION

    by Curt Doolittle and Stephen Wells

    -by Stephen Wells:

    The mistake in reasoning of those who “give it up to God” is generally one of falsely assuming that any higher power operates like a magic wand.

    Author Napoleon Hill who spent years studying successful people noted that the spiritual difference of successful over non successful people was that successful people assigned their faith to God to provide solutions for for them to take action on themselves, rather than for God to simply make their problems go away.

    ***In short, God was to be found within their own subconscious and expressed by acting on their intuition, which itself was disciplined and directed by conscious thought and continuous action towards a clearly defined goal.***

    -by Curt Doolittle

    Yes, this is the correct(scientific) definition of god.

    Gods exists as information.

    That information is trained into your intuition

    That training organizes and filters your intuition.

    Primarily it prevents self deception or, (and this is true) deception by your genes, old, and middle brains.

    And for very obvious reasons, anthropomorphizing that information is more effective at extracting truthfulness from your intuition than you are able to do without it – because intuition will let your genes influence you chaotically while anthropomorphized intuition falsifies your intuition (your auto association) to predict how that character would interpret your thoughts. In other words, we can use our social instincts to override our chaotic intuition by creating a framework for truthful prediction.

    This is pretty obvious once you think it thru. Our bodies and faculties are our only system of measurement. But since we are human and evolved consciousness with enough recursion to predict others’ actions, feelings, thoughts, and wants, we can use other people (archetypes) as systems of measurement as well.

    Is there a difference between what would god want me to do, what would Jesus want me to do, what would Gandalf or Aristotle, me to do, and what would my grandmother want me to do?

    No there isn’t other than a god is a proxy for your social order.

    Systems of measurement to provide a neural economy superior predictive power.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 09:13:00 UTC