Theme: Religion

  • The time has come once again to set limits.

    Feb 2, 2020, 9:14 AM (re-post from ban) Imitate Jesus. There wasn’t much better advice. I’ve harped on it here for a while, but this requires re-telling. Jesus imitation offers the best strategy for those that lack agency. And in his time; that was damn near every soul. The low/no-agency Jesus strategy works in low-trust and high-trust systems/situations. But, please understand at the time of emergence it was ONLY patriarchal systems of order in which to navigate. The foundation for an agency-less ethic to disperse to an underclass was sorely lacking. When there is proper order, acceptance and maintenance of that order is needed. With the Jesus trick one is sure not to run afoul of those with more power (specifically in ways that could get you picked out of the herd and culled). This allows one to stick around long enough to develop agency of their own. But, in a landscape of chaos (currently caused by over-order and over-abundance of information lacking coherence and salience) the Jesus trick only allows for further entropy. In times where order needs to be created the creator’s son falls short of the mark [his trick doesn’t multiply/no breeding]: By: James Thomson (d. 1882)

    “This poor sexless Jew, with a noble feminine heart, and a magnificent though uncultivated and crazy brain, did no work to earn his bread; evaded all social and political responsibilities, took no wife and contemned his own family; lived [as] a vagabond, fed and housed by charity (if by miracle, it is clear that we cannot imitate him: would that we could!); uttered many beautiful and even sublime moral truths and more impracticable precepts; preached continually himself, and faith in himself alone as the one thing necessary; and died with the lamentable cry of womanish desperation, perhaps the most significant confession in history of a life of supreme self-illusion laid bare to itself at the point of death. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? He founded a sect which holds him up as the Great Exemplar of mankind, and scarcely one member of which even tries to tread in his footsteps. I have much love and reverence for him as a man; but am quite certain that if everyone really set about following his example, the world (which is surely mad enough already) would soon be one vast Bedlam broken loose.”

    Jesus provides an imitation model for the ideal under-class citizen {That is ANY dependent: men/women that lack agency, disabled, children, etc.} but, doesn’t set up an iterative, imitable, image for those needing to create order. See, in order creation, what IS isn’t enough. If it were, we wouldn’t be driven to produce. In a situation that needs order more of those able to unfurl order in the cosmic space are necessary one must be able to produce. We ought not have incentives that favor consumers but producers. It is irresponsible to imitate Jesus as you ought to do more than sacrifice yourself to the greater “good”{as right now it’s the greater BAD} of humanity. As humanity isn’t what it was; and to sacrifice yourself to it (for their sins) isn’t heroic anymore but moronic; they’re undeserving and spoiled {NOT oppressed}. They know EXACTLY what they do; and if they don’t it’s a failure on their behalf to correct for the error {you have the internet and the worlds information at your finger-tips; ignoramus}[if you’d like to place the blame on the system, fine, but you best not be a part of it]. We are now at a point in time where we ought to be saying do as Jesus said; not as he did [calculate like Jesus]. And we ought to be picking out specific instances to pull from: We need the Jesus that flipped over tables and scolded the higher-ups of the day; we need the Jesus that proclaimed “go forth and multiple,” we need the Jesus that spat out the lukewarm, we need the Jesus that warns us of God coming back with that flaming sword of Truth to do some swift re-ordering… the tolerance isn’t (for)bearable any longer! It’s irresponsible to act in this naive manner: forbearing for those that will surely act irreciprocal when given the chance. Irreciprocity IS immoral and to roll out the red carpet for its manifestation is suicide. To extend tolerance to those that will use tolerance against you to undermine and usurp your position is not kind, it isn’t Jesus like; it’s immoral, an insane display of ineptness and it’s no better if it’s innate {your instinct to allow others to walk all over you; agreeable; feminine}. The time has come once again to set limits. And as man is the measure of all things; it is he that ought to set those limits. And those limits ought to lead to the form and function of a flourishing culture. One that preserves its landscape of Jesus-like emergence as opposed to dismantling that very landscape in His name.’  

  • The time has come once again to set limits.

    Feb 2, 2020, 9:14 AM (re-post from ban) Imitate Jesus. There wasn’t much better advice. I’ve harped on it here for a while, but this requires re-telling. Jesus imitation offers the best strategy for those that lack agency. And in his time; that was damn near every soul. The low/no-agency Jesus strategy works in low-trust and high-trust systems/situations. But, please understand at the time of emergence it was ONLY patriarchal systems of order in which to navigate. The foundation for an agency-less ethic to disperse to an underclass was sorely lacking. When there is proper order, acceptance and maintenance of that order is needed. With the Jesus trick one is sure not to run afoul of those with more power (specifically in ways that could get you picked out of the herd and culled). This allows one to stick around long enough to develop agency of their own. But, in a landscape of chaos (currently caused by over-order and over-abundance of information lacking coherence and salience) the Jesus trick only allows for further entropy. In times where order needs to be created the creator’s son falls short of the mark [his trick doesn’t multiply/no breeding]: By: James Thomson (d. 1882)

    “This poor sexless Jew, with a noble feminine heart, and a magnificent though uncultivated and crazy brain, did no work to earn his bread; evaded all social and political responsibilities, took no wife and contemned his own family; lived [as] a vagabond, fed and housed by charity (if by miracle, it is clear that we cannot imitate him: would that we could!); uttered many beautiful and even sublime moral truths and more impracticable precepts; preached continually himself, and faith in himself alone as the one thing necessary; and died with the lamentable cry of womanish desperation, perhaps the most significant confession in history of a life of supreme self-illusion laid bare to itself at the point of death. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? He founded a sect which holds him up as the Great Exemplar of mankind, and scarcely one member of which even tries to tread in his footsteps. I have much love and reverence for him as a man; but am quite certain that if everyone really set about following his example, the world (which is surely mad enough already) would soon be one vast Bedlam broken loose.”

    Jesus provides an imitation model for the ideal under-class citizen {That is ANY dependent: men/women that lack agency, disabled, children, etc.} but, doesn’t set up an iterative, imitable, image for those needing to create order. See, in order creation, what IS isn’t enough. If it were, we wouldn’t be driven to produce. In a situation that needs order more of those able to unfurl order in the cosmic space are necessary one must be able to produce. We ought not have incentives that favor consumers but producers. It is irresponsible to imitate Jesus as you ought to do more than sacrifice yourself to the greater “good”{as right now it’s the greater BAD} of humanity. As humanity isn’t what it was; and to sacrifice yourself to it (for their sins) isn’t heroic anymore but moronic; they’re undeserving and spoiled {NOT oppressed}. They know EXACTLY what they do; and if they don’t it’s a failure on their behalf to correct for the error {you have the internet and the worlds information at your finger-tips; ignoramus}[if you’d like to place the blame on the system, fine, but you best not be a part of it]. We are now at a point in time where we ought to be saying do as Jesus said; not as he did [calculate like Jesus]. And we ought to be picking out specific instances to pull from: We need the Jesus that flipped over tables and scolded the higher-ups of the day; we need the Jesus that proclaimed “go forth and multiple,” we need the Jesus that spat out the lukewarm, we need the Jesus that warns us of God coming back with that flaming sword of Truth to do some swift re-ordering… the tolerance isn’t (for)bearable any longer! It’s irresponsible to act in this naive manner: forbearing for those that will surely act irreciprocal when given the chance. Irreciprocity IS immoral and to roll out the red carpet for its manifestation is suicide. To extend tolerance to those that will use tolerance against you to undermine and usurp your position is not kind, it isn’t Jesus like; it’s immoral, an insane display of ineptness and it’s no better if it’s innate {your instinct to allow others to walk all over you; agreeable; feminine}. The time has come once again to set limits. And as man is the measure of all things; it is he that ought to set those limits. And those limits ought to lead to the form and function of a flourishing culture. One that preserves its landscape of Jesus-like emergence as opposed to dismantling that very landscape in His name.’  

  • The Marriage of Masculine Aristocracy and Feminine Christianity

    The Marriage of Masculine Aristocracy and Feminine Christianity https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/24/the-marriage-of-masculine-aristocracy-and-feminine-christianity/


    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-24 15:03:06 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264572640615751680

  • The Marriage of Masculine Aristocracy and Feminine Christianity

    —“Love all the work you’ve done with John Mark. I’m just learning more about propertarianism, so far I’m pretty impressed. I hope your alliance with Christians are not just one of convenience. I think there’s a lot to be achieved with reformation Christendom that lines up nicely with the biblical model of good government.”—

    We are all western and as such we are all christian. We just practice our christianity differently. Of our ‘five religions’ christianity is the lowest in my priority and it’s the highest in others. Those religions are, in order of their evolution: Heathen Nature and Ancestors, Pagan Heroes, Aristotelian Science, Christian Deism, and Enlightenment Humanism. Masculine(Dominance) < Paganism < Heathenism < Aristotelianism <- Humanism -> Christianity > The Feminine (Submission) But the age of religious rule never came to be in the west, never could come to be, and never can come to be. The faithful required an aristocracy in Rome. They required an aristocracy in the middle ages. And they required and aristocracy in modernity. And the faith was far more corrupt than the state or burghers could ever seek to be. The faith teaches one to be a good citizen for the aristocracy. For those of us who are aristocracy first and christian second, we understand this is necessary. Christians have always been conquered and destroyed without the aristocracy. Why? Christianity is a feminine religion. The aristocracy could USE christianity to justify their aryanism. But christianity was spread by women and slaves, and even today is largely a religion of the lower classes, not the upper. So, western civilization is a marriage of masculine (dominant) aristocracy and feminine (submissive) christianity. And this is our (my) solution: to continue delivering to caesar and to Jesus as we have in the past.

  • The Marriage of Masculine Aristocracy and Feminine Christianity

    —“Love all the work you’ve done with John Mark. I’m just learning more about propertarianism, so far I’m pretty impressed. I hope your alliance with Christians are not just one of convenience. I think there’s a lot to be achieved with reformation Christendom that lines up nicely with the biblical model of good government.”—

    We are all western and as such we are all christian. We just practice our christianity differently. Of our ‘five religions’ christianity is the lowest in my priority and it’s the highest in others. Those religions are, in order of their evolution: Heathen Nature and Ancestors, Pagan Heroes, Aristotelian Science, Christian Deism, and Enlightenment Humanism. Masculine(Dominance) < Paganism < Heathenism < Aristotelianism <- Humanism -> Christianity > The Feminine (Submission) But the age of religious rule never came to be in the west, never could come to be, and never can come to be. The faithful required an aristocracy in Rome. They required an aristocracy in the middle ages. And they required and aristocracy in modernity. And the faith was far more corrupt than the state or burghers could ever seek to be. The faith teaches one to be a good citizen for the aristocracy. For those of us who are aristocracy first and christian second, we understand this is necessary. Christians have always been conquered and destroyed without the aristocracy. Why? Christianity is a feminine religion. The aristocracy could USE christianity to justify their aryanism. But christianity was spread by women and slaves, and even today is largely a religion of the lower classes, not the upper. So, western civilization is a marriage of masculine (dominant) aristocracy and feminine (submissive) christianity. And this is our (my) solution: to continue delivering to caesar and to Jesus as we have in the past.

  • THE GREAT TRADE

    THE COMPROMISE BETWEEN EUROPEANS AND CHRISTIANS IS THE SAME AS BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN: A TRADE

    —-“Stop your Nietzscheanism. At least Christianity allows for forgiveness and cancel culture don’t. “We are all sinners,” don’t forget that.”—Haniel @HanielAzzi

    Cancel Culture (marxism, neo-marxism, postmodernism, feminism, and difference-denialism) are just christianity v2: undermining meritocracy, reason, evidence, and testimony by replacing the false promise of life after death with the false promise of equality after replacement. Cancel culture is just the strategy of women to undermine, just as christianity is the strategy of women to create social constructions. This is because women are fearful because their bodies evolved to supply fetuses rather then muscles and speed, they’re nervous systems evolved to include their offspring, and verbal ability a discount on manipulating children. And because of these adaptations they’re physically weaker, and emotionally neurotic, but verbally superior, and so they compete as they can by manipulation, using the positive range of seductions: feeding, caring, nurturing, and informing, and the negative spectrum of disinformations: approval and disapproval vs truth or falsehood, half truth vs complete truth, undermining vs debate, resistance and advocacy vs boycott and cooperation, short term devotion vs persistent loyalty. There are no gods, no heaven, no sins. Only myth, evolution, and crimes. Crimes of violating physical, natural, and evolutionary laws, by acts of irreciprocity in display, word, or deed, that resist our evolution into the gods we imagined by truth, science, technology and markets. We are the only gods that may yet be. And in the test of civilizations, only western man discovered the laws of the universe and adapted their civilization to mirror them. If there were gods, europeans would be the chosen people, Aristotle their prophet, and truth their scripture. Christianity is the religion of false promise, ignorance, deceit, manipulation, en-serfment, poverty, and the dark ages, that asks women, slaves, and the weak, to submit to a false god, of an alien people, who produced nothing except lies, usury, rent seeking, and organized crime. Simple people need lies and social construction to reinforce them against insecurities, worries, stresses, slights, signaling, and status pressures in order to sedate their neuroticism from the pressures of low status and low agency – providing the illusion of understanding and control. It is sufficient for them, just as fairy tales are for children. To say we all need mindfulness: personal, interpersonal, social, political, and metaphysical is nothing more than to state we need to limit the cost of a neural economy frustrated by incalculability of status in the chaos outside the life of the hunting-gathering tribe. To say that pagan ‘religion’, aryan, stoic, epicurean values solved the problem of masculine religions, but did not solve the problem of feminine religion (traditional religion of the hearth), is simply to note that Rome expanded into old poor, majority underclass, semitic civilization without first solving the problem of producing a religion of women, slaves, and underclasses – is simply to say that we grew too fast under aryanism in the ancient world just as we are growing too fast under aryanism in the modern world – and that rates of adaptation reflect confidence, agency(conscientiousness), intelligence, and neuroticism – which is what separates the genders and classes. In a rapidly evolving commercial empire under Western Rome, and a collapsing commercial empire under Eastern Byzantium, Christianity provided women, slaves, and the underclasses a means of obtaining self-worth, and status by demanding reciprocal behavior despite their lack of physical, emotional, mental, social, economic, political agency. Monotheism is the religion of the herd not yet human. But the enduring values of our civlization are not semitic christian – they’re four thousand years old, first captured in writing by the Greeks: Excellence and Beauty, Heroism and Duty, Truth and Oath, Sovereignty and Reciprocity, Jury and Law, and resulting markets in everything as the only means of survival: evolution. This set of values – despite that they were only metaphysical, traditional, and institutional, functioned as the operating principle for western civilization that produced the fastest innovation and adaptation possible by man, and dragged mankind out of ignorance, superstition, hard labor, poverty, starvation, disease, suffering and early death. The restoration of Aristotelian thought, northern and Atlantic trade, the contractualism that trade demanded, the printing and literacy that resulted, re-harmonized our scholarly thought with our social, commercial, legal, and military thought restored european civilization. The 20th century false promises are just the second attempt to destroy western civlization from within – by marxism neo-marxism, postmodernism, feminism, and human difference denialism – planted the fertile minds already accustomed to false promise as escape from reality. The dirty secret of western civlization, is that the martial aristocracy created western civilization by profiting from the incremental domestication man like they domesticated animals, using incremental slavery, serfdom, freedom, citizenship, and sovereignty to produce equals. And the failure of the British Experiment of an Aristocracy of Everyone, was caused in the modern world as it was in the ancient by over extension of the franchise to those peoples insufficiently genetically pacified by western values, to survive persist, and participate in them. So continuing our thousands of years of civilizational tradition, the aristocracy of the masculine who have agency in reality, agree to use our law of reciprocity, to trade loyalty with the priesthood of the feminine who lack agency in reality, to persist our civilization. Because we all prioritize the pagan(aryan/martial), heathen(ancestor/nature), Aristotelian (masculine/scientific), secular humanist (feminine), christian (feminine) differently. And given each of us varies on the spectrum between the feminine and masculine mind, we prioritize our systems of calculating (faiths), according to our genetic needs. But as long as we hold to our ancestral law of oath, contract, reciprocity, jury, markets we survive, prosper, and evolve. And that is enough. And that is what I seek to achieve: the continued evolution of our tradition from informal traditional law, to rights of anglo saxons, to British constitution, to american constitution, to finally a ‘bible’ of western civilization written in the neutral language of our martial-dominant male, judicial-neutral, priestly-feminine Trifunctionalism: the Natural Law of Reciprocity. And our continued evolution into the gods we imagined.

  • THE GREAT TRADE

    THE COMPROMISE BETWEEN EUROPEANS AND CHRISTIANS IS THE SAME AS BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN: A TRADE

    —-“Stop your Nietzscheanism. At least Christianity allows for forgiveness and cancel culture don’t. “We are all sinners,” don’t forget that.”—Haniel @HanielAzzi

    Cancel Culture (marxism, neo-marxism, postmodernism, feminism, and difference-denialism) are just christianity v2: undermining meritocracy, reason, evidence, and testimony by replacing the false promise of life after death with the false promise of equality after replacement. Cancel culture is just the strategy of women to undermine, just as christianity is the strategy of women to create social constructions. This is because women are fearful because their bodies evolved to supply fetuses rather then muscles and speed, they’re nervous systems evolved to include their offspring, and verbal ability a discount on manipulating children. And because of these adaptations they’re physically weaker, and emotionally neurotic, but verbally superior, and so they compete as they can by manipulation, using the positive range of seductions: feeding, caring, nurturing, and informing, and the negative spectrum of disinformations: approval and disapproval vs truth or falsehood, half truth vs complete truth, undermining vs debate, resistance and advocacy vs boycott and cooperation, short term devotion vs persistent loyalty. There are no gods, no heaven, no sins. Only myth, evolution, and crimes. Crimes of violating physical, natural, and evolutionary laws, by acts of irreciprocity in display, word, or deed, that resist our evolution into the gods we imagined by truth, science, technology and markets. We are the only gods that may yet be. And in the test of civilizations, only western man discovered the laws of the universe and adapted their civilization to mirror them. If there were gods, europeans would be the chosen people, Aristotle their prophet, and truth their scripture. Christianity is the religion of false promise, ignorance, deceit, manipulation, en-serfment, poverty, and the dark ages, that asks women, slaves, and the weak, to submit to a false god, of an alien people, who produced nothing except lies, usury, rent seeking, and organized crime. Simple people need lies and social construction to reinforce them against insecurities, worries, stresses, slights, signaling, and status pressures in order to sedate their neuroticism from the pressures of low status and low agency – providing the illusion of understanding and control. It is sufficient for them, just as fairy tales are for children. To say we all need mindfulness: personal, interpersonal, social, political, and metaphysical is nothing more than to state we need to limit the cost of a neural economy frustrated by incalculability of status in the chaos outside the life of the hunting-gathering tribe. To say that pagan ‘religion’, aryan, stoic, epicurean values solved the problem of masculine religions, but did not solve the problem of feminine religion (traditional religion of the hearth), is simply to note that Rome expanded into old poor, majority underclass, semitic civilization without first solving the problem of producing a religion of women, slaves, and underclasses – is simply to say that we grew too fast under aryanism in the ancient world just as we are growing too fast under aryanism in the modern world – and that rates of adaptation reflect confidence, agency(conscientiousness), intelligence, and neuroticism – which is what separates the genders and classes. In a rapidly evolving commercial empire under Western Rome, and a collapsing commercial empire under Eastern Byzantium, Christianity provided women, slaves, and the underclasses a means of obtaining self-worth, and status by demanding reciprocal behavior despite their lack of physical, emotional, mental, social, economic, political agency. Monotheism is the religion of the herd not yet human. But the enduring values of our civlization are not semitic christian – they’re four thousand years old, first captured in writing by the Greeks: Excellence and Beauty, Heroism and Duty, Truth and Oath, Sovereignty and Reciprocity, Jury and Law, and resulting markets in everything as the only means of survival: evolution. This set of values – despite that they were only metaphysical, traditional, and institutional, functioned as the operating principle for western civilization that produced the fastest innovation and adaptation possible by man, and dragged mankind out of ignorance, superstition, hard labor, poverty, starvation, disease, suffering and early death. The restoration of Aristotelian thought, northern and Atlantic trade, the contractualism that trade demanded, the printing and literacy that resulted, re-harmonized our scholarly thought with our social, commercial, legal, and military thought restored european civilization. The 20th century false promises are just the second attempt to destroy western civlization from within – by marxism neo-marxism, postmodernism, feminism, and human difference denialism – planted the fertile minds already accustomed to false promise as escape from reality. The dirty secret of western civlization, is that the martial aristocracy created western civilization by profiting from the incremental domestication man like they domesticated animals, using incremental slavery, serfdom, freedom, citizenship, and sovereignty to produce equals. And the failure of the British Experiment of an Aristocracy of Everyone, was caused in the modern world as it was in the ancient by over extension of the franchise to those peoples insufficiently genetically pacified by western values, to survive persist, and participate in them. So continuing our thousands of years of civilizational tradition, the aristocracy of the masculine who have agency in reality, agree to use our law of reciprocity, to trade loyalty with the priesthood of the feminine who lack agency in reality, to persist our civilization. Because we all prioritize the pagan(aryan/martial), heathen(ancestor/nature), Aristotelian (masculine/scientific), secular humanist (feminine), christian (feminine) differently. And given each of us varies on the spectrum between the feminine and masculine mind, we prioritize our systems of calculating (faiths), according to our genetic needs. But as long as we hold to our ancestral law of oath, contract, reciprocity, jury, markets we survive, prosper, and evolve. And that is enough. And that is what I seek to achieve: the continued evolution of our tradition from informal traditional law, to rights of anglo saxons, to British constitution, to american constitution, to finally a ‘bible’ of western civilization written in the neutral language of our martial-dominant male, judicial-neutral, priestly-feminine Trifunctionalism: the Natural Law of Reciprocity. And our continued evolution into the gods we imagined.

  • Christianity provided women, slaves, and the underclasses a means of obtaining s

    Christianity provided women, slaves, and the underclasses a means of obtaining self-worth, and status by demanding reciprocal behavior despite their lack of physical, emotional, mental, social, economic, political agency. Monotheism is the religion of the herd not yet human.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-24 14:28:33 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264563946645860364

    Reply addressees: @HanielAzzi @DegenRolf

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264563253948166144


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    @HanielAzzi @DegenRolf To say we all need mindfulness: personal, interpersonal, social, political, and metaphysical is nothing more than to state we need to limit the cost of a neural economy frustrated by incalculability of status in the chaos outside the life of the hunting-gathering tribe.

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1264563253948166144

  • How are the chinese and japanese religious? How was (M)Stoicism-(F)Epicureanism

    How are the chinese and japanese religious?
    How was (M)Stoicism-(F)Epicureanism religious?
    How were Heathen (hearth/family/nature) and (M)Paganism (archetypes) different from the semitic (F)monotheistic tradition?


    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-24 14:21:22 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264562137449586688

    Reply addressees: @Dolo87N83 @DegenRolf

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264530025585483776

  • Because we all prioritize the pagan(aryan/martial), heathen(ancestor/nature), ar

    Because we all prioritize the pagan(aryan/martial), heathen(ancestor/nature), aristotelian (masculine/scientific), secular humanist (feminine), christian (feminine) differently. But as long as we hold to our ancestral law of oath, contract, reciprocity, jury, markets we survive.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-24 13:52:24 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264554846759325696

    Reply addressees: @HanielAzzi @DegenRolf

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264553571904892933


    IN REPLY TO:

    Unknown author

    @HanielAzzi @DegenRolf So continuing our thousands of years of civilizational tradition, the aristocracy of the masculine who have agency in reality, agree to use our law of reciprocity, to trade loyalty with the priesthood of the feminine who lack agency in reality, to persist our civilization.

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1264553571904892933