Theme: Religion

  • “Question: What do you make of the theory that religion was necessary to organiz

    –“Question: What do you make of the theory that religion was necessary to organize humans past the 150 line for hunter gather tribes?”–

    I think I’m making that argument every day, even if I’m not sure 150 is the number. It looks like it’s much larger. But yes. Why? Humans require a system of weights and measures for both understanding and subsequent behavior. Religion provides an external system of measurment, and one that can be ‘compromised upon’ between groups. That doesn’t force a competition for dominance between groups.

    So in the broad, sense, yes, you’re intuition is correct.

    As for Weinstein he’s unsophisticated in understanding such things but at the level of low resolution he’s not ENTIRELY wrong. However, instead, myths and oaths and rituals generally contain whatever agreement is necessary between the people to intergenerationally persist their group evolutionary strategy. And yes our group evolutionary strategies appear to have been standardized by the time of, or just after, the bronze age collapse.

    The only way to educate before writing and certainly after writing but before literacy, was stories. And myths had to be coherent with one another and they had to include one of the three fictionalisms in order pretend knowledge that they didn’t have at the time to rely on. Myth is the equivalent of “well, just because.”

    -Curt


    Source date (UTC): 2023-05-24 13:12:34 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661359537629061122

  • RELIGION AND PURPOSE? IT”S A PLEASANT POSITIVE MASK ON A NEGATIVE THREATENING NA

    RELIGION AND PURPOSE? IT”S A PLEASANT POSITIVE MASK ON A NEGATIVE THREATENING NATURE. https://twitter.com/curtdoolittle/status/1661355422358315008

  • (Just as an aside Louis, what ‘purpose’ does religion give you that the evolutio

    (Just as an aside Louis, what ‘purpose’ does religion give you that the evolutionary pressures of nature don’t force upon you? Religion is just a story that you and we have control over those forces – a means of sating natural human fear of being left behind, being undesirable, being vulnerable, being fragile, being uncertain and the universal sense of alienation as populations and economic complexity increases and others need for us decreases rapidly outside of our kin. And the motivation to obtain status that increases as complexity and resulting alienation increase.)

    Reply addressees: @RealLouisPrince


    Source date (UTC): 2023-05-24 12:56:13 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661355422253477889

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1660982346034606088

  • “~Q: How did pre-Christian europe deal with alienation before the monotheistic r

    “~Q: How did pre-Christian europe deal with alienation before the monotheistic religions provided it?”

    They dealt with it through state(government), nation, religion, and identity, myth, oath, ritual, and festival. Just like the monotheistic religions do. It was just local, regional, and civilizational, before the abrhamic attempt at cross-civilizational religion by the jewish unification in jewish christianity of (a) semitic supernatural mythicsm of good and evil representing the relationship between slaves, their fear, lack of agency, and rulers, and (b) european supernormal mythos and reason of order and chaos representing the relationship between man, his reason, his agency, and the chaos of irresponsible nature. The result is Semitic Slave morality vs European Aristocratic morality.

    EVOLUTION OF SPIRITUALISM (SATING THE INTUITION VS NATURE) AND RELIGION (SATING THE INTUITION VS MANKIND)
    All religious motive evolves from the pack spectrum of the being-left-behind (alienation) response, the liability (guilt) and the the debt (reciprocity) response, causing the submission response, and the submission response is a remnant of the submission to the pack response, particularly when running or moving as a group. That’s why submission ‘feels good’: provoking the feeling of elation and safety in running with the pack.

    All religious intuition evolves from the sedating the feast (positive) and death (negative) response, that suppresses anxiety and inalienation by internal submission to the pack, in the face of either windfall (feast) or loss (death). Grave goods are a debt payment, and a demonstration of loyalty and care. They also serve to warrant to others that one is not responsible for the death, or apologizes for anything to do with it. And more, it serves to bind the group together given their shared risk of mortality – “don’t leave me behind”.

    All formal religious ritual (AFAWK) evolved from the initiatic brotherhood of warriors who risked hunt and war together at great risk – where ‘unit cohesion’ (reciprocal insurance) was necessary for both victory and survival.

    PAYMENT OF DEBTS
    Sacrifice is the means of relieving debt instincts. So in families and tribes we share; with leadership we ‘thank’ with gifts, and with gods we ‘thank or ask’ with sacrifices. For example The word ‘god’ in the west indo european languages is the word for ‘pour’. Meaning the ritual sacrifice of beer to the gods.

    LEADERSHIP
    All religous leadership evolves from specialization in those myths, oaths, rituals, feasts and festivals, and all religious nuance evolves over the pretense of knowledge and compentency demonstrated by these priesthoods.

    CLASS RELATIONS
    In european natural religion (vs abrahamic sythetic religions) aristocracy demonstrated loyalty to the people by the performance of rituals, and the priesthoods were responsible for knowing and arranging those rituals. In the semitic religions, the priesthood demonstrated and reinforced loyalty to and among the people against the ruling aristocracy.

    ANCHORING BY RELIGION
    Abrahamic religions, were created by and spread by the lower classes who were increasingly left behind by rise of trade and in particular imperial trade, just like the lower classes were left behind (or felt it) by the industrial revolution – despite that both greco-roman trade, roman administration, roman peace, and the industrial revolution primarily benefitted the lower classes at the expense of the power of the upperclasses.

    GROUP STRATEGY
    ( … )

    UNIVERSAL ANTHROPOMORPHIC SYSTEM OF MEASUREMENT.
    ( … )

    SUMMARY
    ( … )

    (More as this sequence on the evolution of religion continues … gotta exit the cafe now. 😉 )

    Reply addressees: @RealLouisPrince


    Source date (UTC): 2023-05-24 12:52:44 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661354542498304000

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  • Apologies for offense. I am addressing the difficult choice twitter must make –

    Apologies for offense. I am addressing the difficult choice twitter must make – not what is right or wrong for Turkey.
    But as the vote demonstrates, the public prefers islamism and authoritarianism, so Turks must save themselves from themselves.


    Source date (UTC): 2023-05-24 01:10:34 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661177840048504832

    Reply addressees: @berkerdundar

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661168400071110658

  • @PleaseDebunk The church was a major proponent of education and literacy in scie

    @PleaseDebunk
    The church was a major proponent of education and literacy in science and technology, and many pre-modern Islamic centers of learning had taught science and technology, and pre-modern Judaism produced theoretical works of general scientific and technolgical literacy, and Europeans did not disproportionately innovate in science and technology in the classical, medieval, and modern eras.


    Source date (UTC): 2023-05-23 14:25:47 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661015574196162562

  • Consecration only matters to the superstitious. For mature adults we require law

    Consecration only matters to the superstitious.
    For mature adults we require law.


    Source date (UTC): 2023-05-23 07:14:29 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1660907034919747584

    Reply addressees: @Book_of_Rules @ScienceMonthly

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1660904083425820672

  • WE KNOW “GODS LAWS” – THERE IS ONLY ONE We know (at least I do, and most of our

    WE KNOW “GODS LAWS” – THERE IS ONLY ONE
    We know (at least I do, and most of our team does) every one of “god’s laws”: the laws of the universe, nature, and man, because there is only one law, and its hierarchy of applications as the complexity of organization of matter inceases: The ternary logic of evolutionary computation by continuous recursive disambiguation of entropy (disorder) into negative entropy (order) by the increase in energy capture, conversion, and density, that releases the pressure in the universe as mass or dissipates pressure into expansion of space. It might not be obvious but there are about two dozen applications of that law producing a set of rules that explain all of existence. But that’s it.

    The question is, can mankind tolerate knowing that he’s responsible and there are no gods or even minds, to parent him. Instead, the universe is a vast irradiated wasteland hostile to life, with rare possibile islands dependent upon a whole sequence of galactic, solar, planetary, lunar, and geological requirements, combined with the vast amount of time it takes evolution to compute each generational incdrease in evolutionary computation.

    The answer is that those who cannot tolerate that knowledge are to be either left behind, or they will drag humanity into the great filter of extinction.

    Reply addressees: @Book_of_Rules @realNachawati


    Source date (UTC): 2023-05-23 06:20:31 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1660893450965774339

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1660880817369894915

  • Now, one of the tactics of women, the abrahamic religions, and the marxist-seque

    Now, one of the tactics of women, the abrahamic religions, and the marxist-sequence left is called ‘rolling accusation’. It’s a version of moving the goalpost, by never acknowledging or answering any refutation or objection and simply stating a new one until the opposition is tired of doing all the work.
    Note that you, Mary, are using that tactic. 😉
    Which I (we) find entertaining.
    Because we document the vast corpus of techniques of lying and intellectual dishonesty, explain sex differences in those techniques of lying, and the cultural differences in group evolutionary strategy and lies used to defend it. 😉

    Reply addressees: @Book_of_Rules @realNachawati


    Source date (UTC): 2023-05-23 06:12:52 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1660891525218201600

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1660882160557907970

  • BTW: kind of silly. Muslims created wars everywhere. Especially in europe. Europ

    BTW: kind of silly. Muslims created wars everywhere. Especially in europe. Europe could have, at any point, eradicated the middle east, either during the ancient mediterranean era, the middle ages crusades, or modern warfare. The problem is ‘no one wants to rule that cesspool,…


    Source date (UTC): 2023-05-23 06:03:47 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1660889239318417408

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1660884988160507904