Explaining the Church of TED to a college student:
“It’s Oprah for the over-educated classes”.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-10 14:00:00 UTC
Explaining the Church of TED to a college student:
“It’s Oprah for the over-educated classes”.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-10 14:00:00 UTC
It’s interesting that (((the people who lie))), and the people who imitated the liars (anglos), and the people who manufacture ignorance (arabs, muslims), and cannot build civilizations with any degree of trust (non-corruption), are so successful against the people who speak the truth, avoid corruption, and innovate technologically.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-10 11:14:00 UTC
ISLAMICIST SOCIAL ORDER VS EUROPEAN SOCIAL ORDER
Isis(Islamism) seeks to controls mind, word, deed, regardless of property allocation, and they favor (try to enforce) a libertarian-theological-judicial social order over centralized state. In other words, they want to preserve ‘headman’ of the tribe status for as many ‘headmen’ as possible, right down to the father of the family.
Between:
WEST/NORTH/COLD/SPARSE: The European model (Genetic European), consisting of (Aryan) martial (aristocratic) Sovereignty, and Burgher (middle class) Liberalism(Contractualism), under aristocratic rule of empirical law;
AND
SOUTH/MIDDLE/HOT/DENSE The Semitic model (Jewish, Arab, Muslim), (Genetic Afro-Asiatic) consisting of underclass rule of religious law.
The SIMILARITY is obvious:
Preserve head-man rule (King/Ruler, Judicial Priesthood (tribal and Clan headman), and Strong Father (family Headman) of extended family.
The DIFFERNCES are:
Aristocratic, Evolutionary, Eugenic, Small Numbers, Technological,
Weaponized Professional Warriors, Trust, Economy, and Technology, high consumption living and reproduction.
Tactics: concentration of capital and adaptability – solve problems quickly so that opportunities cannot be seized when we are otherwise weak or occupied.)
-vs-
Priestly, Devolutionary, Dysgenic, mandated ignorance, subsistence living and reproduction.
Weaponized raiding, distrust, deception, and reproduction.
Tactics: concentration of numbers – wear down the opponent over long periods of time)
Curt DOolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-10 10:42:00 UTC
( I randomly ‘bless’ family members by dipping my fingers in my water glass, and flicking it from my fingers while saying “in the name of the father…” – usually while they’re engaged in some form of concentration – and they don’t seem to appreciate my charitable Christian sentiments. 😉 There is no more ceremony left in the world. sigh… lol )
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-10 10:25:00 UTC
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-History-Human-Morality-ebook/dp/B01AWBX89G/https://www.amazon.com/Natural-History-Human-Morality-ebook/dp/B01AWBX89G/
5.0 out of 5 stars
A dense, powerful and thought-provoking book
By Dr. Glockenspielon October 3, 2016
Format: Hardcover
Tomasello’s much acclaimed works address the perennial question of what makes human thinking unique, by using evidences drawn, mostly, from experimental devices of his making at the Max Planck Institute; settings meant to compare child’s (toddlers and preschoolers) and apes’ skills at spatial, instrumental and social cognition. The thesis he builds and sustains is, at core, Piagetian : our most cherished feats (notably language and cumulative culture) are contingent products of our hypersocial tendency to share goals and intentions with others through collaborative activities, comprising role-switching and joint commitment.
A Natural History of Human Thinking offered an extensive account of the most likely evolutionary pathway going from individual intentionality, to joint and collective intentionality, while showing what objectivity, normativity, and perspective-taking (notably the view from nowhere) owe to the latter form of intentionality, and while updating the practical (use based) language theory that Tomasello is championing against Chomsky (from 2003 onward).
A Natural History of Human Morality is, pace Tomasello, a companion to the former. It builds on the same two steps evolutionary process to show what changes in the proximate psychological mechanisms have occured to get from chimpanzee’s sense of sympathy and instrumental helping (for kin and friends), to our moral ought at treating other group members (be it humanity) as equally valuable, contra our self-, or more closely delimited other-, regarding interest. According to the more global thesis that is supported throughout, viewing evolution by natural selection as an individualizing, conflict bolstering force that renders altruistic and moral acts all the more unlikely (if not miraculous) is tantamount to endorse too limited, hence ill-guiding, premises (p.14).
Hereafter I give each chapter a detailed summary, before indulging in two critical remarks.
In “The Interdependence Hypothesis” Tomasello states which cooperative patterns are commonly found in nature. The distinction between morality of sympathy / morality of fairness is then made clear as being human specific, with a view to what amounts to their respective lack, and hinging on, obligations. The remaining part of the chapter sketches the overall thesis of the book, and gives an insight to the evolutionary meaning that can be given to the mutually conflicting character of our three inherited moralities (comprising our joint morality of collaboration).
“Evolution of morality” is about picturing what cognitive, social-motivational, and self-regulation psychological mechanisms our last common ancestor with chimpanzees is likely to have had (6 million years ago); picture drawn from observations of wild and captive chimpanzees (mostly) and bonobos. Tomasello first delineates which of the multi-level selection theories available is best suited to fit his focus on the evolutionary changes in the proximate psychological mechanisms (kin selection – gene level; group selection – social group level; mutualism and reciprocity – individual level). He shows how mutualism, and an interdependence based concept of cooperation, can better account for (a) the motivational stability and (b) the initiating act of cooperation among individuals, than the classical, tit-for-tat, altruistic reciprocity (theorized by Thrivers) does. Notions of partner choice/control, and social selection (even “biological market”) are brought to bear (18-9). The “stakeholder model” (Roberts), “group augmentation” principle (Clutter-Brocke), and emotional reciprocity proves helpful to overcome the reciprocal altruism’s shortcomings, and to change the cost-benefit calculus in a much significant, and needed, way (p.17). As for chimpanzees’ sociality, Tomasello takes position mid-way between Silk and Jensen, and Franz de Waal (p.36). The breadth and limits of Chimpanzees’s sympathic feelings, skills at intention reading, at instrumental helping, at coordinating and at choosing partners (friends or coalitionary partners) are carefully documented, and shown to be enmeshed in an overall matrix of dominance and physical competition over foods and mates. Overall, as further demonstrated by both an adapted version of the ultimatum game, and by a counter-experiment to that of Brosnan et al. (the capucin that was made famous on youtube for throwing a cucumber back to the experimenter), with the proper control condition setted up, chimpanzees have no sense of fairness. To suggest what new psychological ingrediens were needed to get there, and to pave the way for the remaining part of the book, Tomasello brings some of philosopher David Hume’s insights into the picture.
“Second-Personal Morality” depicts the first evolutionary step made by early humans (2 millions years to 150 000 years ago) beyond apes, against the background of ecological transformations and new adaptative challenges : global cooling, desertification, greater competition over ressources amidst terrestrial apes. Theses changes allegedly made mutualistic cooperative foraging urgent and obligatory, on a daily basis, so that agents had to become both tolerant in the sharing of food, good at coordinating, communicating, sharing goal, attention, commitment, creating common ground understanding of role ideals, filling their role, excluding free riders, sharing fairly, socializing their instrumental rationality, evaluating their potential cooperative partner, and managing their cooperative identity (knowing, through a self-other equivalence perspective on things, that they, too, are being evaluated as cooperative partners). Whoever failed at these would have been selected against and left to starvation. Prior self-domestication (described with reference to works of B. Chapais, 2008 Primeval Kinship: How Pair-Bonding Gave Birth to Human Society), and S.B. Hrdy, 2009, Mothers and Others: The Evolutionary Origins of Mutual Understanding) is taken as a necessary to get early human on the way to an increase sharing of intention. Social adaptations to obligate collaborative foraging acted as the main evolutionary driver of human essential, and distinctive, moral traits : (1) expansion of sympathy beyond kin and friends to collaborative partners, blossoming in a concern for partner welfare, through altruisictic and paternalistic helping (you > me); (2) sense of self-other equivalence, impartiality, respect, desservingness and fairness while dividing the spoils, while addressing a cooperative partner, and while protesting for unequal outcomes (you = me), (3) explicit joint commitment prior to joint intentional activities, acting as an external arbiter, as a view from the upper, agents took to judge their partner’s and their own behavior, fostering guilt for wrong doing, and a sense responsibility (we > me). All this evolved skills would have not required verbal communication to emerge, would have occured within limited, face-to-face interactions, leaving the social group outside of the collaborative dyads quite ape- (if domesticated ape-) like. Throughout the chapter, Tomasello cite many studies showing that contemporary child and apes skills differ at joint intentionalty, cooperative communication, partner choice and control, joint commitment, in ways that support his evolutionary hypothesis.
“Objective morality” is built on the same pattern as “Second-Personal Morality” : ecological changes foster new in social relations of increased, obligate mutualistic cooperation, with proximal psychological mechanisms (cognition, social-motivation/interaction, self-regulation) evolving extra features to meet the new challenges. From ecological, the relevant adaptive puzzle became demographic, at around 150 000 ago years ago, before modern humans spread out of Africa. Thanks to their successful collaborative dyads, groups grew large enough to bump into one another, thereby igniting conflicts over resources and territory. Interpersonal, common-ground knowledge proved insufficient to coordinate group members cognitively beyond a certain threshold (presumably the ‘Dunbar number’). Groups began to split while retaining a tribal hinging. Similarity in behaviors, followed by similarity in the dressing and bodily markings, allowed for demarcating ingroup / outgroup, who to trust and who to help / who to distrust and keep at bay. With its groupal components gathering on different occasions (feast, wedding, warfare), the tribe, its survival and maintaining, became the one, big, collaborative commitment (common goal level) that agents were born in. Conformity became a necessity. Sympathy grew into loyalty, personal common ground into group-level, hence cultural, ground, through additional means along the behavior and dressing similarity, namely conventionalization, social normative control, and intentional pedagogy. Agents could commonly assumed their cultural peers were commonly knowing the righ ways. Following and enforcing rules toward one’s relational vis-à-vis, and toward third party became part of each agent’s cultural identity. Cultural common ground would have allowed a fully, group-wide, self-other-equivalence way of understanding situations. Group members self-identified with their tribe’s making, taking this supraindividual cultural “We” as a standpoint to relate with others, to build and manage their social-personal identities. Cultural agent typically engaged in reflective endorsement , judging their own moral judgments, and judging people “for how they judged the nonconformity of others” (p.108). Cultural agents also felt guilt for past judgements that proven misguided and false after being seen right and just, and lent themselves to creative interpretation of their new and unpredictable ways (be it light norms deviation) in order to ground these in the shared values and common justificatory scheme of the group. Easing the “transactional cost” to third party punishment may have been the upshot of creating institutions, meaning status function and deontic status. It may have accounted for the sacralization of institutions as already envisioned by Durkheim (likewise for solidarity by similarity in behaviors). The advent of sedentarisation with the domestication of plants and animals, around 10 000 years ago, brought even larger demographic growth, plus immigration of foreign cultural groups, and with them new coordination problems that were met by contemporary humans’s (up to the presennt) specific cooperation enforcing layers : second-order laws, and organized religion.
Cultural group selection, acting from between and from inside groups, is purported to make sense of how our different, inherited moralities (our different voices) are conjoined and displaced throughout times : you > me concerns (morality of sympathy), you = me concerns (morality of fairness), we-concern (cultural, legal, religion, group-minded morality). The moralisation of social norms beyond mere conformity is presented as resulting from the grounding, within a growing portion of a population, of the former norms to second-personal, sympathy and fairness, natural morality. Tomasello puts special emphasis in claiming that conforming to norms does not itself make morality; only relation among equals, underlain by feeling of responsibility, desservingness and concern for welfare does. The differential level of grounding of norms into second-personal morality could help, together with cultural group selection, explain why group delimitation (who counts as one of us?), and group of reference reference (“which ‘We’ must we identify to?”) changed so much though times and places.
In “Human Morality as Cooperation-Plus”, Tomasello re-states what distinctive features second-personal, and groupal thinking has, and what, in terms of “distinct set of biological adaptations” (p.137), make them qualitatively distinct. The alternative theories of human morality and cooperation are on offer are reviewed ; theories that fall under one of three broad categories : evolutionary ethics, moral psychology, gene-culture coevolution (p.137). Despite their meaningful contributions, each has specific lacking that help Tomasello credits his theory of being more comprensive and beget more explanatory power. Further sections of the chapter synthesizes each the evolutionary steps that have been hypothesized, before restating how interdependence can account for ape’s instrumental cooperation evolving into human’s genuine, moral-adaptive motivation at helping and treating I and You on the same plane. The question of how biological adaptations to shared intentionality express themselves through development in social contexts is addressed. A specific attention is given to how contemporary children, cross-culturally, appear to first behave morally through their interaction engine, second-personally, without acknowleding any group reference as being the “shared expectations of ”our” social group”, before age three, at which age they both engage in conformiy, rule enforcing, and show cultural variability in their decision and actions.
Concluding remarks are responding to Homo œconomicus-type objections to the natural history of morality as being mistaken, for not putting self-interest at the steering wheel, and for being rosy in hypothesizing that humans are “evolved biologically to value others and to invest in their well-being” (159). Another objection responded to amounts to defining equality among human as the recent output of Enlightenment.
In all, A Natural History of Human Morality is a powerful, dense book that is likely to set cognitive and moral psychology to new heights.
I would nonetheless join Moll’s (2016) review of the 2014 book by pointing one issue that pertains to the causal scheme underlying Tomasello’s thesis : 1. ecological changes 2. bring new, urgent and obligatory mutualistic cooperative activities (foraging, group-defense), 3. which triggers new cognitive adaptations for shared intentionality. When agents envision their self and others from the standpoint of their new plural agent “we” (common / cultural goal level), they reframe their own self-control in terms of what “We” commonly know and expect (Tomasello goes as far as to say agents relinquish their self-regulation to the supraindividual entity), and they discover their mutual roles, perspectives, responsibility and self-other equivalence. But how did 2.), being new social-cooperative relations could possibly hang together? Since these new relations were ongoing prior to cognition, were agents behaving without knowing?
I should also point out that it is unclear how much innate skills are necessary to make Tomasello’s overall hypothesis true; whether we take innate as not-learned, or learned through a specialized, mandatory mechanism. One simple answer would be to equate every unique features that child have and apes don’t have with innate knowledge or motivation, but that would likely lead to a long list (bestowing on Tomasello the same flaws of the nativist approach he endeavored to overcome, from The Cultural Origins of Human Cognition on). Tomasello do not engage in discussing this issue as such. He admits of all the morality traits he describe as being structural adaptative, that is, as being the outcome of a functional mechanism not dedicated to uniquely moral thinking. With the self-other equivalence described as a “spandrel” of the dual level structure inherent to joint intentionality, we are left with joint intentionality as the only innate mechanism, designed in the two steps of second-personal and cultural commitment. When looked closely, neither of these two steps seems to involved a lot more than what the early human and modern human were realizing, understanding, finding – be it that they were interdependent, held accountable, evaluated by others, and so forth. The most likely (if not the only) way that learned (understood, realized) things are transmitted is through culture. So the question becomes : where, if necessary, should we admit of self-regulational, social-interactional, and cognitive (joint intentional) skills that are not learnable, teachable, and that needs biological inheritance ? As Carol Dweck already mentioned in her commentary to Why We Cooperate, the young age of children can not be taken too quickly as a proof of their lack of learning.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-09 21:30:00 UTC
William Butchman
re: —“I see sovereignty as the strategy, and the heroic narrative in myth, religion, literature, history… and science, as the western narrative.”— Curt Doolittle
I posit that the NSDAP did that. But they had a positive value system which failed when validated against the Darwinian test. I think that sovereignty via heroism can be pursued in many ways, but the outcome will vary greatly based on the positive value system… something via negative cannot provide.
Curt Doolittle
correct. and something we cannot KNOW. Therefore we require a market for via-positiva value systems, so that we calculate by trial and error the possibility that at least one of them will work.
Which is saying the same thing EXCEPT I intuit (right or wrong) that you (like most) desire a monopoly narrative, not a market for them.
Via negativa, sovereignty, and transcendence are enough for those who possess agency, because the need for anything ELSE is an admission of the lack of agency.
But few men possess agency. Even in this group where we have many smart people that number is in the low single digits.
The rest of men want only (a) convfirmation that their narrative, the narrative needed for their level of agency, is ‘good’. (b) the method of arguing against competing narratives with lower or higher agency.
I think that like reproductive value, like class, like intelligence, we must understand that agency is another trait that separates us – and that we seek to deny until we can no longer deny it.
My advocacy of natural law (truth), and soverignty, is not to advance our people as much as it is to prevent the harm to our people by those who would make the same excuses (arguments) as a means of distributing (selling) another parasitic and predatory narrative as did the jews and teh christians and muslims, and buddhists.
So the man lacking sovereignty seeks via positiva, and the man possessing sovereignty seeks via negativa – there is nothing else for the sovereign to SEEK.
The powerful are so becaue of correspondence. They do not need license, they need to eliminate competitors.
There are many layers of weakness (lack of agency) below sovergithy. we must give them the tools to transcend.
If they do not want those tools we must force them or exterminate them out of defense. If they cannot use the tools we must manufacture them (narratives) that support them.
This is the unstated conundrum you and Bill Joslin are struggling with.
To which the uncomfortable answer is evident, but requires intellectual honesty.
The answer is sovereignty, natural law, and via negativa. But there are very few capable of it. Even if it is the only means of transcendence and therefore production. All other alternatives are not methods of transcendence and production, but of decline, and consumption.
Accepting this is probably the one thing you’d both need to do in order to lead those who share your intuitions, rather than require a leader with those intuitions who had made that acceptance.
Love always.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-06 10:01:00 UTC
RELIGION = FEEL (fully intuit – absence of measure)
RATIONALISM = THINK ( partly intuit – measure internally)
SCIENCE = CALCULATE (minimally intuit-maximally measure externally)
(feels, thinks, and reals)
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-06 09:42:00 UTC
RELIGION = FEEL
RATIONALISM = THINK
SCIENCE = CALCULATE
(feels, thinks, and reals)
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-06 09:30:00 UTC
THE NEXT CHURCH
—“The universe was, is, and will always be beyond human scale. Religions are an evolved response to this complexity. They work. I don’t see how we can figure out what to do without a positive value system, even if it might fail the Darwinian test. I don’t know. All this is too much for my tiny brain. The problem is too big and complex.”— A Friend
Its actually simple. And just as we need multiple languages to talk to multiple layers of ability (classes), and just as we need multiple states to serve the interests of multiple layers of tribes; and just as we need multiple sciences to break the world into parts that we can disassemble; and just as we need multiple economies (military (slave), commons (serf), union(unskilled labor), market (producers), and finance (gamblers), we need multiple NARRATIVES just as we always have: the religious for the weak, the philosophical for the able, and the heroic for the superior.
Those narratives already exist. The problem is thinking You’re everyone (democracy and equality) rather than the member of a class.
The universe may beyond human scale, but the scope of action available to humans of different ability varies dramatically from those who can barely care for themselves, to those that can care for others, to those that can manage others, to those that can organize others, to those that can organize many, to those that can advocate for as many as they can serve.
Choose the tool that serves the scale that is possible for you.
What I hear is from most people is “i want to be led”, or “I want to control”. Rather than I want to do. I want to know what to do. I am willing to do the good. But I must know what it is?
it is the good that you can understand and not bad.
And between the greek and roman heroes, the scientists, the arthurian legends, and the stories of the church servants, it is hard to imagine yu cannot find it there.
What I think you mean, and what I think most people mean, is that they lack an institution that assists us in organizing under those principles – those narratives.
Which is why I think the next iteration of the church talks to each class, not to the peasantry.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-05 17:44:00 UTC
RELIGION AND MEASUREMENTS
(important)
( William Butchman writes an OP reconciling supernatural fictionalism, with propertarianism via decidability. It inspired me to write this piece extending one of his paragraphs to explain that religion provided a means of measurement and decidability. )
When we moved from religion (the immeasurable world – but a world whose ‘measurements’ if we may call ‘wisdom’ that, consisted of the results of trial, error, and observation – a simple science, but a science none the less) to quantitative science: the measurable world, we rightly increased the precision of the measurable world and evicted religion from our discipline of measurement. Unfortunately we evicted religion from the unmeasurable world (cooperation at scale), and replaced it with pseudosciences (aggregates). So instead of instructing men to act morally based upon experience, such that each action would cumulatively produce a measurable good, we measured goods and told me they need not act morally if we produced this abstract measurement of good. It never seems to have occurred to anyone that all this did was increase the number of not-good actions by people. And falsely attribute to the new measurements what was nothing but the product of fiat money (removing the shortage of hard currency) and fossil fuels (removing the cost of physical labor).
Religion provides decidability in that which can only be measured by individual moral action that results in cumulative goods. Religions, like the common law, evolved incrementally in response to what we had learned. So each religion contains some error as well as some truth. What we call the physical sciences, provide decidability by aggregate changes in sttate even though we do not KNOW the equivalent of moral action in the universe – the first principles of the transformation of energy at small and large scales.)
The Natural Law (as I understand it) merely states the measurement of individual ‘good’ action, the way mathematic states the measurement of addition and subtraction of the natural numbers. It is very simple. Addition: do undo others only that which you would have done unto you. Subtraction: do nothing unto others that you would not have done unto you. Through simple addition and subtraction all of the descriptions of the physical world can be written in an increasingly complex set of combinations. And likewise, through simple positive moral actions, and negative moral constraints, we can build all of natural law. And then we can use natural law to examine all religions, and to determine if they are, like the physical universe, written in gods laws, of the physical world(Existence), the world of Action(Property), and the world of Speech(Testimony).
However, the golden and silver rule are reductio in meaning. They assume the christian or aryan edifice provides context. And while Christianity was always balanced by Martial Aryianism in a competition, The Hindu lost that competition, and the Sinic (Chinese), Semitic (Jewish/Muslim), never possessed it. So what one assumes is good good for himself and others by his actions, may answer the question of what is good for himself and others at city-state scale, but fails at national, empire, and global scales.
For the simple reason that each civilization, and each group within it, uses a slight variation on those rules in order to perpetuate the group’s strategies in the realities in which it exists.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-05 13:50:00 UTC