Theme: Reciprocity

  • WHAT ABOUT THE BLEEDING HEARTS? That begs the question: are the bleeding heart l

    WHAT ABOUT THE BLEEDING HEARTS?

    That begs the question: are the bleeding heart libertarians moral or immoral?

    Or said correctly: (a) do they intuit and prefer an objectively moral society, and (b) would their vision produce via institutions a moral or immoral society? (c) And would this society produce sufficient morality to produce liberty? (d)Or would it produce increased or decreased demand for authority? (e) Are they creators of immorality, or are they vectors for lies or not?

    I think that they are an interesting contrast against immoral libertines.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-28 08:14:00 UTC

  • I live and work for my kin. I agree only to not harm you and your kin. Some of u

    I live and work for my kin. I agree only to not harm you and your kin.

    Some of us cooperate in society so that your family and my family can cooperate instead of conflict. But the purpose of my life, the purpose of my labor, the purpose of my production – my purpose, is for my family alone, and is not to support others, but to not to harm them while helping my family. Society is merely a utilitarian function that allows my family to prosper. The attempt to steal from me and my family for ‘society’ just means stealing from me to give to my genetic competitors.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 11:31:00 UTC

  • Eli Harman: “An evolutionary didactic method: teach morality by returning impose

    Eli Harman: “An evolutionary didactic method: teach morality by returning imposed costs to their imposers. But this method works slowly”.

    –“Punishing the wicked forces them to act a bit more morally. But you cannot teach them to desire higher morality without punishing lower morality. And if you punish them for immorality they will reject you moral teachings. So the only solution is to punish them until they learn their own higher morality (or die).”—


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 11:15:00 UTC

  • UNIVERSAL ANTI LIBERTINE ARGUMENT: (good) It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact: I am

    UNIVERSAL ANTI LIBERTINE ARGUMENT:

    (good)

    It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact: I am a libertarian, and you are a libertine trying to dress-up respectably in libertarian verbal costume. And just as stamping your products with a false weight and measure, or attempting to imitate another consumer brand, or giving an oath you have no intention of fulfilling, lying that you are a libertarian rather than a libertine is not a matter of debate. It us a matter of you lying, in order to avoid paying the high cost of ethical and moral behaviour so that you can export costs for the social order into others.

    In other words you are just trying to use a lot of excuses to skate on s debt.

    Libertines who claim they are libertarians are just debt evaders. Thieves. Liars. Fools.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 08:11:00 UTC

  • Does Walter Block Represent The Mindset Of Most Libertarians?

    In the sense that Walter Block advocates the Non Aggression Principle (the “NAP”), as did Murray Rothbard; and in the sense that most self identified libertarians have also adopted the NAP – then, yes, he reflects a common libertine-libertarian rational justification of the common libertine-libertarian moral sentiment.

    However, the liberal libertarians (the classical liberals) – meaning the non-libertine libertarians, do not accept that the NAP is a sufficient moral or legal principle for the formation of a stateless polity with a minimum government. Or even that if it was sufficient that such criteria would be classifiable or interpreted as moral by anyone outside of the libertine-libertarian minority.

    Identifying as a Cosmopolitan Rothbardian libertine-libertarian, rather than an Anglo-Empirical classical-liberal libertarian, is a matter of justifying your emotional intuitions. Which is why most libertine libertarians demonstrate anti-social behaviors, such as justifying blackmail, and justifying externalities caused by deception, and externalities caused by hedonistic behavior; while most classical liberal libertarians demonstrate positive social behaviors such as commons-building, norms as a corporeal asset,  and reputation as a property right.
     
    We, all of us, (me included), work to justify our moral intuitions, because our moral intuitions reflect our reproductive strategy.   And so why has Rothbardianism failed as an American political movement: because very few people can morally tolerate the rothbardian levels of unethical and immoral behavior unless they  also possess anti-social personalities.
     
    Rothbrdian libertinism has its origin in the urban ghettos, and as such it discounts externalities, physical commons, and normative commons and instead adopts the socio-pathological justification that we should not pay for commons whether physical or normative, and that we are not responsible for the externalities caused by our behavior.  In other words, rothbardian libertarianism is unethical and immoral – factually, independent of anyone’s opinion.

    Just to clarify that this dispute between Libertine-liberarians, and Moral-Libertarians is more than a problem of psychologism – and that it has taken great effort for libertines to construct an intricate pseudo-sceientific and pseudo-rational ideology – lets look at the counter-factual but complex arguments that the libertine-libertarians rely upon.

    (a) In all but the most rare exceptions, self-identified libertarians do not understand the relationship between Intersubjectively Verifiable Property (IVP) and the NAP’s dependence upon IVP, or that such a relationship is a necessary property of the NAP, and without some definition of property such as IVP, the NAP is meaningless;

    (b) Nor that the reason self-identified libertarians cannot come to consensus is not the nap, but the sufficiency of IVP for the decidability of moral propositions, or as the basis for law sufficient for the formation of a voluntary polity;

    (c) in addition,  research suggests that self-identified libertarians appear to be searching for confirmation of their moral intuitions (see Haidt), and that libertarianism is a narrow moral specialization (Haidt); and that just as progressives are severely morally blind, libertarians are merely less morally blind (Haidt) and therefore underestimate the importance of norms nearly as much as progressives underestimate the importance of both norms and economic incentives;

    (d) combined with the difference between the use of NAP as a moral principle, versus the NAP under IVP as a legal basis for polycentric organically evolutionary common law,  combined with whether the NAP under IVP the basis for a common law is sufficient for a voluntary polity to form and persist, because such a body of law suppresses transaction costs sufficiently for people to rationally choose an anarchic over a statist polity;

    (e) combined with the low trust, and therefore low velocity of production and trade that can occur within a voluntary polity under the NAP/ISV as the basis of common law, providing negative economic incentives;

    (f) combined with the historical record’s demonstration that all low trust polities are subject to ostracization, tariffs, persecution, punishment, war and extermination by higher trust polities – in all circumstances;

     – all of which lead us to the conclusion that Rothbardian libertine-libertarianism is an unscientific, non-rational, impossible, complex verbalism, that confirms the moral intuitions of a small group of moral specialists; and an constitutes not a rational philosophy, but merely a body of arguments are sufficient for use as an ideology that assists in the formation of a cult-of-resistance against the state.

    But this ideology is not sufficiently rational or scientific for use as a moral and religious, or secular-legal, institutional means upon which to base a voluntarily organized society, that makes use of the voluntary organization of production (capitalism),  in the absence of an authority (the state); in which the authority imposes rules of conduct, and/or, prevents retaliation for unethical and immoral actions that are not resolvable in a court of such laws.

    CONTEXT OF THE LIBERTINE VS LIBERTARIAN MOVEMENTS
    The Moral-Anglo-Libertarian movement, and the Libertine-Austrian-libertarian movement, are divided by the backgrounds of primary authors, into the Christian Enlightenment ethical system (classical liberal and Hayekian and Hosperian Libertarian), and the Jewish Cosmopolitan ethic (Misesian Cosmopolitan, and Rothbardian libertinism).  IN addition, as a mini-reformation,  Hoppe attempts to transform the Jewish Cosmopolitan ethic and system of thought, into the german rationalist ethic and system of thought. Both the jewish cosmopolitan and german rational systems of though, were proposed as alternatives to the anglo-empirical system of thought.  The long-standing reason for this opposition between anglo, german and jewish, is couched as the difference between empirically dominated thought and rationally dominated thought (a technical argument in philosophy between empiricism and rationalism).  However this is an artificial distinction. The reason Germans and Jews prefer rationalism is that the philosophy of German civilization and Jewish civilizations are hierarchical in the case of german, and authoritarian in the case of the jews. 

    At present, only Walter Block and Lou Rockwell advocate the Rothbardian libertine position in full. Others emphasize largely the economic aspects of libertine-libertarianism, not the moral.  Walter Block advocates what he argues as the morality of traditionally immoral topics.  The presumption of his ethical position is that individuals are not responsible for externalities (the opposite of the christian position) and that norms in any polity are not constructed as, produced as, maintained as, and used as, an institutional commons. 

    Hoppe by contrast argues in favor of a contractually explicit commons, not that the NAP is morally sufficient, or legally sufficient (as I understand him) for the formation of a voluntary polity.  Hoppe merely assumes that desirable human behavior will evolve if given the opportunity – not that property was forced upon people, outbreeding was forced upon them,  delayed marriage was forced up on them,  rule of law was forced upon them, and the competitive market was forced upon them – by aristocracy.

    BLOCK AS SPECIALIST IN IMMORALITY

    Block has written a number of books now that advocate unethical and immoral activity as individually beneficial – without acknowledging that all criminal, unethical, immoral, conspiratorial, parasitic behavior is beneficial to individuals or small groups.  That does not answer the question of why moral groups should cooperate with immoral groups, or should not conquer, enslave, or kill immoral groups, since cooperate is irrational if all it means is another group can engage in parasitism against your group.  

    So in this sense, Block represents the position of anti-social libertines in the libertine-libertarian movement who hold to the immoral and unethical the body of thought, that originated in the application of ghetto ethics to german continental moral philosophy, as a reaction against the anglo-enlightenment-libertarianism’s universalism. 

    SUMMARY
    So while most libertine-libertarians, and many moral-libertarians, refer in some way or another to the NAP, in all cases the cross-cultural consensus is meaningless as other than a simple signal of group membership – like a secret handshake, or mason’s ring, or religious jewelry or clothing – because the NAP is merely a recognition of the fact that libertarians dislike state aggression against them, not because the NAP is a sufficient rule for any political, moral, or legal purpose.

    So while Walter is the leading figure in libertinism, that is largely because libertines are justifying empathic, non-rational, sentimental approval of arguments that they clearly do not understand, and whose value to them, is that the are sufficiently complex to mirror the reflects of religious texts: that they are extremely difficult to refute, and they justify the speaker’s moral sentiments. Not because they are rationally complete, scientifically demonstrable or demonstrated, or sufficient for legally basis or morally foundation.

    That’s enough for now.  Although I should probably continue.
    Curt Doolittle
    The Philosophy of Aristocracy
    The Propertarian Institute
    Kiev, Ukraine.

    https://www.quora.com/Does-Walter-Block-represent-the-mindset-of-most-libertarians

  • Does Walter Block Represent The Mindset Of Most Libertarians?

    In the sense that Walter Block advocates the Non Aggression Principle (the “NAP”), as did Murray Rothbard; and in the sense that most self identified libertarians have also adopted the NAP – then, yes, he reflects a common libertine-libertarian rational justification of the common libertine-libertarian moral sentiment.

    However, the liberal libertarians (the classical liberals) – meaning the non-libertine libertarians, do not accept that the NAP is a sufficient moral or legal principle for the formation of a stateless polity with a minimum government. Or even that if it was sufficient that such criteria would be classifiable or interpreted as moral by anyone outside of the libertine-libertarian minority.

    Identifying as a Cosmopolitan Rothbardian libertine-libertarian, rather than an Anglo-Empirical classical-liberal libertarian, is a matter of justifying your emotional intuitions. Which is why most libertine libertarians demonstrate anti-social behaviors, such as justifying blackmail, and justifying externalities caused by deception, and externalities caused by hedonistic behavior; while most classical liberal libertarians demonstrate positive social behaviors such as commons-building, norms as a corporeal asset,  and reputation as a property right.
     
    We, all of us, (me included), work to justify our moral intuitions, because our moral intuitions reflect our reproductive strategy.   And so why has Rothbardianism failed as an American political movement: because very few people can morally tolerate the rothbardian levels of unethical and immoral behavior unless they  also possess anti-social personalities.
     
    Rothbrdian libertinism has its origin in the urban ghettos, and as such it discounts externalities, physical commons, and normative commons and instead adopts the socio-pathological justification that we should not pay for commons whether physical or normative, and that we are not responsible for the externalities caused by our behavior.  In other words, rothbardian libertarianism is unethical and immoral – factually, independent of anyone’s opinion.

    Just to clarify that this dispute between Libertine-liberarians, and Moral-Libertarians is more than a problem of psychologism – and that it has taken great effort for libertines to construct an intricate pseudo-sceientific and pseudo-rational ideology – lets look at the counter-factual but complex arguments that the libertine-libertarians rely upon.

    (a) In all but the most rare exceptions, self-identified libertarians do not understand the relationship between Intersubjectively Verifiable Property (IVP) and the NAP’s dependence upon IVP, or that such a relationship is a necessary property of the NAP, and without some definition of property such as IVP, the NAP is meaningless;

    (b) Nor that the reason self-identified libertarians cannot come to consensus is not the nap, but the sufficiency of IVP for the decidability of moral propositions, or as the basis for law sufficient for the formation of a voluntary polity;

    (c) in addition,  research suggests that self-identified libertarians appear to be searching for confirmation of their moral intuitions (see Haidt), and that libertarianism is a narrow moral specialization (Haidt); and that just as progressives are severely morally blind, libertarians are merely less morally blind (Haidt) and therefore underestimate the importance of norms nearly as much as progressives underestimate the importance of both norms and economic incentives;

    (d) combined with the difference between the use of NAP as a moral principle, versus the NAP under IVP as a legal basis for polycentric organically evolutionary common law,  combined with whether the NAP under IVP the basis for a common law is sufficient for a voluntary polity to form and persist, because such a body of law suppresses transaction costs sufficiently for people to rationally choose an anarchic over a statist polity;

    (e) combined with the low trust, and therefore low velocity of production and trade that can occur within a voluntary polity under the NAP/ISV as the basis of common law, providing negative economic incentives;

    (f) combined with the historical record’s demonstration that all low trust polities are subject to ostracization, tariffs, persecution, punishment, war and extermination by higher trust polities – in all circumstances;

     – all of which lead us to the conclusion that Rothbardian libertine-libertarianism is an unscientific, non-rational, impossible, complex verbalism, that confirms the moral intuitions of a small group of moral specialists; and an constitutes not a rational philosophy, but merely a body of arguments are sufficient for use as an ideology that assists in the formation of a cult-of-resistance against the state.

    But this ideology is not sufficiently rational or scientific for use as a moral and religious, or secular-legal, institutional means upon which to base a voluntarily organized society, that makes use of the voluntary organization of production (capitalism),  in the absence of an authority (the state); in which the authority imposes rules of conduct, and/or, prevents retaliation for unethical and immoral actions that are not resolvable in a court of such laws.

    CONTEXT OF THE LIBERTINE VS LIBERTARIAN MOVEMENTS
    The Moral-Anglo-Libertarian movement, and the Libertine-Austrian-libertarian movement, are divided by the backgrounds of primary authors, into the Christian Enlightenment ethical system (classical liberal and Hayekian and Hosperian Libertarian), and the Jewish Cosmopolitan ethic (Misesian Cosmopolitan, and Rothbardian libertinism).  IN addition, as a mini-reformation,  Hoppe attempts to transform the Jewish Cosmopolitan ethic and system of thought, into the german rationalist ethic and system of thought. Both the jewish cosmopolitan and german rational systems of though, were proposed as alternatives to the anglo-empirical system of thought.  The long-standing reason for this opposition between anglo, german and jewish, is couched as the difference between empirically dominated thought and rationally dominated thought (a technical argument in philosophy between empiricism and rationalism).  However this is an artificial distinction. The reason Germans and Jews prefer rationalism is that the philosophy of German civilization and Jewish civilizations are hierarchical in the case of german, and authoritarian in the case of the jews. 

    At present, only Walter Block and Lou Rockwell advocate the Rothbardian libertine position in full. Others emphasize largely the economic aspects of libertine-libertarianism, not the moral.  Walter Block advocates what he argues as the morality of traditionally immoral topics.  The presumption of his ethical position is that individuals are not responsible for externalities (the opposite of the christian position) and that norms in any polity are not constructed as, produced as, maintained as, and used as, an institutional commons. 

    Hoppe by contrast argues in favor of a contractually explicit commons, not that the NAP is morally sufficient, or legally sufficient (as I understand him) for the formation of a voluntary polity.  Hoppe merely assumes that desirable human behavior will evolve if given the opportunity – not that property was forced upon people, outbreeding was forced upon them,  delayed marriage was forced up on them,  rule of law was forced upon them, and the competitive market was forced upon them – by aristocracy.

    BLOCK AS SPECIALIST IN IMMORALITY

    Block has written a number of books now that advocate unethical and immoral activity as individually beneficial – without acknowledging that all criminal, unethical, immoral, conspiratorial, parasitic behavior is beneficial to individuals or small groups.  That does not answer the question of why moral groups should cooperate with immoral groups, or should not conquer, enslave, or kill immoral groups, since cooperate is irrational if all it means is another group can engage in parasitism against your group.  

    So in this sense, Block represents the position of anti-social libertines in the libertine-libertarian movement who hold to the immoral and unethical the body of thought, that originated in the application of ghetto ethics to german continental moral philosophy, as a reaction against the anglo-enlightenment-libertarianism’s universalism. 

    SUMMARY
    So while most libertine-libertarians, and many moral-libertarians, refer in some way or another to the NAP, in all cases the cross-cultural consensus is meaningless as other than a simple signal of group membership – like a secret handshake, or mason’s ring, or religious jewelry or clothing – because the NAP is merely a recognition of the fact that libertarians dislike state aggression against them, not because the NAP is a sufficient rule for any political, moral, or legal purpose.

    So while Walter is the leading figure in libertinism, that is largely because libertines are justifying empathic, non-rational, sentimental approval of arguments that they clearly do not understand, and whose value to them, is that the are sufficiently complex to mirror the reflects of religious texts: that they are extremely difficult to refute, and they justify the speaker’s moral sentiments. Not because they are rationally complete, scientifically demonstrable or demonstrated, or sufficient for legally basis or morally foundation.

    That’s enough for now.  Although I should probably continue.
    Curt Doolittle
    The Philosophy of Aristocracy
    The Propertarian Institute
    Kiev, Ukraine.

    https://www.quora.com/Does-Walter-Block-represent-the-mindset-of-most-libertarians

  • CONFUSING CONFLATIONS IN ROTHBARDIAN ETHICS The attribution of value to an objec

    CONFUSING CONFLATIONS IN ROTHBARDIAN ETHICS

    The attribution of value to an object, rather than it’s cost of acquisition, is to confuse it’s cost to the producer with its value in exchange. This is an irrefutable statement.

    Just as it is an error to attribute cost to the user, to market value, it is an error to attribute market value, to cost to the user. This is an irrefutable statement.

    Just as it is an error to confuse that which the individual will act to defend, as the transformational product of his efforts, with the conflicts that a polity will choose to defend. This is an irrefutable statement.

    I other words, the Rothbardian cosmopolitan lie is an attempt to use overloading (which clearly is a successful means of lying) to force the strong, high trust, landed, with built capital, to permit parasitism by production-less exchange, frauds of various asymmetries, lies, deceptions conspiracies, privatizations of commons, socializations of losses, and a host of immoralities.

    The purpose of Rothbardian ethics is to justify parasitism. It is in fact,t he most organized, systematic, advocacy of immorality ever constructed by man.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-21 15:26:00 UTC

  • THE ABSURDITY OF THE LIBERTINE LIE AND THE SOLUTION IN PROPERTARIAN LOGIC (worth

    THE ABSURDITY OF THE LIBERTINE LIE AND THE SOLUTION IN PROPERTARIAN LOGIC

    (worth repeating)

    Violence is the starting point for all cooperative, ethical, moral, and political questions. The first question of all ethics is quite simple: “Why do I not kill you and take your stuff?” All questions of cooperation, ethics, and politics are consequent to that question.

    It is a common fallacy, including the fallacy of argumentation, that violence is external to the question of cooperation. Arguing such is an attempt, by use of obscurant, verbalist deception, to forbid retaliation while retaining the ability to conduct fraud, conspiracy, and immorality.

    The fact that it was so easy to attract and persuade fools who fall prey to the rationalist fallacy, and to the fallacy of aggression, and even to the fallacy of argumentation, is an example of how simple it is to overload human reason.

    I find it somewhat humorous that we had to invent writing, numbers, arithmetic, history, and law, to compensate for our ability merely to remember. We had to invent mathematics, geometry to overcome the limits of our perception. We had an enormously absurd struggle to invent calculus of independent objects, and that Einstein’s (albeit not Poincare’s) revolution is nothing more than the absolute abandonment of relative framing.

    Yet the average imbecile still suggests that reason and rationalism are somehow of the same caliber as the various forms of calculation and the vast institutional networks for calculating, we have built in every single area of life, in order for us to compensate for the absolutely illusory competence of reason, perception, memory and judgement.

    Only an idiot would fall for such a fallacy. But then, without a means of calculation, it is easy to be an idiot.

    Hence, Propertarianism. ie: morality stated as calculation, independent of judgement, memory, perception, and reason.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-21 15:13:00 UTC

  • THE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE OF IMMORALITY (repost) –“Moral rules are objectively

    THE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE OF IMMORALITY

    (repost)

    –“Moral rules are objectively expressible and universal to man. It is more that acting morally is an advantage for groups with superior abilities and resources, and acting immorally is an advantage for groups with inferior abilities and resources. Parasitism is a successful strategy. It’s immoral, but then, all people who practice it, justify their immorality.”—

    If others can exercise their competitive advantage by lying, cheating and stealing – even if by complex means, then why cannot truth tellers exercise their competitive advantage by the organized application of violence to ostracize, evict, conquer, enslave, or kill them?


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-21 02:49:00 UTC

  • AGGRESSION VS HARM VS COST Sequence: 1 – I have no agreement with you, and there

    AGGRESSION VS HARM VS COST

    Sequence:

    1 – I have no agreement with you, and therefore no constraint.

    2 – I will not aggress against you.

    3 – I will not cause you harm.

    4 – I will not cause you to bear a cost.

    5 – I will bear costs of reciprocal insurance.

    6 – I will bear kin selection costs.

    Aggression leaves open unethical, immoral, and conspiratorial action.

    Harm leaves open the problem of relative costs – and therefore is not an objective and sufficient means of measurement.

    Costs are universally applicable independent of scale, not relative, and prohibit criminal, unethical, immoral, and conspiratorial action of all kinds.

    —–

    The fact that so many people are fooled into the fallacy of aggression as sufficient criteria for the formation of a voluntarily organized polity, is evidence of the frailty of rationalism.

    The purpose of rationalism is justification. The purpose of scientific methods is to prevent justification.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-05 04:48:00 UTC