Theme: Property

  • I still can’t find a reason why under fiat money, we charge interest on home, co

    I still can’t find a reason why under fiat money, we charge interest on home, condo and apartments constructed and owned by individuals. As far as I know the private mortgage industry is entirely parasitic and is the primary driver of inflation.

    I mean. That’s what it looks like, and I can’t find a competing argument.

    The MMT folks are partly right.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-11-03 07:44:00 UTC

  • damn… it’s not that you have a right to ancestral lands, (under narrow conditi

    damn… it’s not that you have a right to ancestral lands, (under narrow conditions), it is that you have a moral obligation to restore ancestral lands. Interesting….


    Source date (UTC): 2014-11-02 17:51:00 UTC

  • Usufructs Under Propertarianism

    QUESTION: Curt Doolittle, how do you reconcile usufructs with Propertarianism?

    ANSWER:  Just for everyone’s benefit, lets understand what these things mean:

    DEFINITIONS 

    Commons (common ownership) – where the three rights of ownership are held by more than one individual: 

    1 – Usus (use) The right to use or enjoy a commons, directly and without altering it. (Walking in a Park)

    2 – Fructus (the fruits of) is the right to derive profit from a commons. (Selling the blueberries you have grown in the park).

    3 – Abusus (abuse), the right to transfer, consume, or destroy. (Selling off a piece of the park, or building a home on it. So Abusus consists of two categories of rights
    ……(a) Right of transfer. (Emancipation) or ‘Mancipio’,
    ……(b) Right to consume or destroy, or ‘Abusus’.

    – Ownership: (monopoly) Possession of all three rights determines ownership.

    USUFRUCTUS
    The right to use and bear the fruits of some asset without the right to transfer, consume, or destroy it. 

    Usufruct is technically how land is treated in almost all civilizations: land is a commons distributed via some set of property rights or other (including none), and some set of limited ownership rights are transferred to individuals. 

    Under anglo saxon and current property rights I have the right also to transfer, even if I do not possess the right to destroy or consume. (ie: pollute). 

    So while Abusus means an abuse of the commons (Privatization), in the west the right of transfer is separate from the right of privatization, for example just as bitcoin is a fractional asset (divisible), in our western civilization, land is also a allocated as a fractional (divisible) asset. (A fairly uncommon thing as it turns out). 

    So in the west we would separate the following rights in any commons.
    1) Usus, 2) Fructus, 3) ‘Mancipo’, 4) Abusus

    HOW DO I RECONCILE USUFRUCTUS
    These are all just properties of contract. Propertarianism does not allow for incalculable statements of any kind since it is non-operational, undecideable, and therefore this allows for involuntary transfer – and therefore any contractual commons must possess an enumerated set of shareholders, with specifically articulated rights. 

    I can conceive no conditions under which Abusus – destruction of land (pollution) – can exist as a declared right by any shareholders.

    Basic argument is this: those who defend the land own the land, and allocate Usus, Fructus, and Mancipio to fellow shareholders, but never Abusus.

    Now I am pretty sure I know all the directions anyone could run with this but I am confident I can cover all objections.

    Curt Doolittle 
    The Propertarian Institute 
    Kiev

  • Usufructs Under Propertarianism

    QUESTION: Curt Doolittle, how do you reconcile usufructs with Propertarianism?

    ANSWER:  Just for everyone’s benefit, lets understand what these things mean:

    DEFINITIONS 

    Commons (common ownership) – where the three rights of ownership are held by more than one individual: 

    1 – Usus (use) The right to use or enjoy a commons, directly and without altering it. (Walking in a Park)

    2 – Fructus (the fruits of) is the right to derive profit from a commons. (Selling the blueberries you have grown in the park).

    3 – Abusus (abuse), the right to transfer, consume, or destroy. (Selling off a piece of the park, or building a home on it. So Abusus consists of two categories of rights
    ……(a) Right of transfer. (Emancipation) or ‘Mancipio’,
    ……(b) Right to consume or destroy, or ‘Abusus’.

    – Ownership: (monopoly) Possession of all three rights determines ownership.

    USUFRUCTUS
    The right to use and bear the fruits of some asset without the right to transfer, consume, or destroy it. 

    Usufruct is technically how land is treated in almost all civilizations: land is a commons distributed via some set of property rights or other (including none), and some set of limited ownership rights are transferred to individuals. 

    Under anglo saxon and current property rights I have the right also to transfer, even if I do not possess the right to destroy or consume. (ie: pollute). 

    So while Abusus means an abuse of the commons (Privatization), in the west the right of transfer is separate from the right of privatization, for example just as bitcoin is a fractional asset (divisible), in our western civilization, land is also a allocated as a fractional (divisible) asset. (A fairly uncommon thing as it turns out). 

    So in the west we would separate the following rights in any commons.
    1) Usus, 2) Fructus, 3) ‘Mancipo’, 4) Abusus

    HOW DO I RECONCILE USUFRUCTUS
    These are all just properties of contract. Propertarianism does not allow for incalculable statements of any kind since it is non-operational, undecideable, and therefore this allows for involuntary transfer – and therefore any contractual commons must possess an enumerated set of shareholders, with specifically articulated rights. 

    I can conceive no conditions under which Abusus – destruction of land (pollution) – can exist as a declared right by any shareholders.

    Basic argument is this: those who defend the land own the land, and allocate Usus, Fructus, and Mancipio to fellow shareholders, but never Abusus.

    Now I am pretty sure I know all the directions anyone could run with this but I am confident I can cover all objections.

    Curt Doolittle 
    The Propertarian Institute 
    Kiev

  • Untitled

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/10/why-are-liberal-cities-so-unaffordable/382045/


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-30 07:38:00 UTC

  • Answer by @curtdoolittle to Is there any society in the world that doesn’t have

    Answer by @curtdoolittle to Is there any society in the world that doesn’t have the concept of private property? http://qr.ae/D40Ot


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-29 07:38:46 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/527363901957353473

  • In the Ethics of Liberty, Rothbard asserts that blackmail is ethical and deducib

    In the Ethics of Liberty, Rothbard asserts that blackmail is ethical and deducible from property rights.

    What is the Propertarian view of blackmail?

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    http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/sixteen.asp

    “As in all voluntary exchanges, both parties benefit from such an exchange: Smith receives money, and Jones obtains the service of Smith’s not disseminating information about him which Jones does not wish to see others possess. The right to blackmail is deducible from the general property right in one’s person and knowledge and the right to disseminate or not disseminate that knowledge. How can the right to blackmail be denied?”

    Eli Harman


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-27 09:01:00 UTC

  • WALTER BLOCK REPRESENT THE MINDSET OF MOST LIBERTARIANS (bowshot)(good read) In

    http://www.quora.com/Does-Walter-Block-represent-the-mindset-of-most-libertariansDOES WALTER BLOCK REPRESENT THE MINDSET OF MOST LIBERTARIANS

    http://www.quora.com/Does-Walter-Block-represent-the-mindset-of-most-libertarians

    (bowshot)(good read)

    In the sense that Walter Block advocates the Non Aggression Principle (the “NAP”), as did Murray Rothbard; and in the sense that most self identified libertarians have also adopted the NAP – then, yes, he reflects a common libertine-libertarian rational justification of the common libertine-libertarian moral sentiment.

    However, the liberal libertarians (the classical liberals) – meaning the non-libertine libertarians, do not accept that the NAP is a sufficient moral or legal principle for the formation of a stateless polity with a minimum government. Or even that if it was sufficient that such criteria would be classifiable or interpreted as moral by anyone outside of the libertine-libertarian minority.

    Identifying as a Cosmopolitan Rothbardian libertine-libertarian, rather than an Anglo-Empirical classical-liberal libertarian, is a matter of justifying your emotional intuitions. Which is why most libertine libertarians demonstrate anti-social behaviors, such as justifying blackmail, and justifying externalities caused by deception, and externalities caused by hedonistic behavior; while most classical liberal libertarians demonstrate positive social behaviors such as commons-building, norms as a corporeal asset, and reputation as a property right.

    We, all of us, (me included), work to justify our moral intuitions, because our moral intuitions reflect our reproductive strategy. And so why has Rothbardianism failed as an American political movement: because very few people can morally tolerate the rothbardian levels of unethical and immoral behavior unless they also possess anti-social personalities.

    Rothbrdian libertinism has its origin in the urban ghettos, and as such it discounts externalities, physical commons, and normative commons and instead adopts the socio-pathological justification that we should not pay for commons whether physical or normative, and that we are not responsible for the externalities caused by our behavior. In other words, rothbardian libertarianism is unethical and immoral – factually, independent of anyone’s opinion.

    Just to clarify that this dispute between Libertine-liberarians, and Moral-Libertarians is more than a problem of psychologism – and that it has taken great effort for libertines to construct an intricate pseudo-sceientific and pseudo-rational ideology – lets look at the counter-factual but complex arguments that the libertine-libertarians rely upon.

    (a) In all but the most rare exceptions, self-identified libertarians do not understand the relationship between Intersubjectively Verifiable Property (IVP) and the NAP’s dependence upon IVP, or that such a relationship is a necessary property of the NAP, and without some definition of property such as IVP, the NAP is meaningless;

    (b) Nor that the reason self-identified libertarians cannot come to consensus is not the nap, but the sufficiency of IVP for the decidability of moral propositions, or as the basis for law sufficient for the formation of a voluntary polity;

    (c) in addition, research suggests that self-identified libertarians appear to be searching for confirmation of their moral intuitions (see Haidt), and that libertarianism is a narrow moral specialization (Haidt); and that just as progressives are severely morally blind, libertarians are merely less morally blind (Haidt) and therefore underestimate the importance of norms nearly as much as progressives underestimate the importance of both norms and economic incentives;

    (d) combined with the difference between the use of NAP as a moral principle, versus the NAP under IVP as a legal basis for polycentric organically evolutionary common law, combined with whether the NAP under IVP the basis for a common law is sufficient for a voluntary polity to form and persist, because such a body of law suppresses transaction costs sufficiently for people to rationally choose an anarchic over a statist polity;

    (e) combined with the low trust, and therefore low velocity of production and trade that can occur within a voluntary polity under the NAP/ISV as the basis of common law, providing negative economic incentives;

    (f) combined with the historical record’s demonstration that all low trust polities are subject to ostracization, tariffs, persecution, punishment, war and extermination by higher trust polities – in all circumstances;

    – all of which lead us to the conclusion that Rothbardian libertine-libertarianism is an unscientific, non-rational, impossible, complex verbalism, that confirms the moral intuitions of a small group of moral specialists; and an constitutes not a rational philosophy, but merely a body of arguments are sufficient for use as an ideology that assists in the formation of a cult-of-resistance against the state.

    But this ideology is not sufficiently rational or scientific for use as a moral and religious, or secular-legal, institutional means upon which to base a voluntarily organized society, that makes use of the voluntary organization of production (capitalism), in the absence of an authority (the state); in which the authority imposes rules of conduct, and/or, prevents retaliation for unethical and immoral actions that are not resolvable in a court of such laws.

    CONTEXT OF THE LIBERTINE VS LIBERTARIAN MOVEMENTS

    The Moral-Anglo-Libertarian movement, and the Libertine-Austrian-libertarian movement, are divided by the backgrounds of primary authors, into the Christian Enlightenment ethical system (classical liberal and Hayekian and Hosperian Libertarian), and the Jewish Cosmopolitan ethic (Misesian Cosmopolitan, and Rothbardian libertinism). IN addition, as a mini-reformation, Hoppe attempts to transform the Jewish Cosmopolitan ethic and system of thought, into the german rationalist ethic and system of thought. Both the jewish cosmopolitan and german rational systems of though, were proposed as alternatives to the anglo-empirical system of thought. The long-standing reason for this opposition between anglo, german and jewish, is couched as the difference between empirically dominated thought and rationally dominated thought (a technical argument in philosophy between empiricism and rationalism). However this is an artificial distinction. The reason Germans and Jews prefer rationalism is that the philosophy of German civilization and Jewish civilizations are hierarchical in the case of german, and authoritarian in the case of the jews.

    At present, only Walter Block and Lou Rockwell advocate the Rothbardian libertine position in full. Others emphasize largely the economic aspects of libertine-libertarianism, not the moral. Walter Block advocates what he argues as the morality of traditionally immoral topics. The presumption of his ethical position is that individuals are not responsible for externalities (the opposite of the christian position) and that norms in any polity are not constructed as, produced as, maintained as, and used as, an institutional commons.

    Hoppe by contrast argues in favor of a contractually explicit commons, not that the NAP is morally sufficient, or legally sufficient (as I understand him) for the formation of a voluntary polity. Hoppe merely assumes that desirable human behavior will evolve if given the opportunity – not that property was forced upon people, outbreeding was forced upon them, delayed marriage was forced up on them, rule of law was forced upon them, and the competitive market was forced upon them – by aristocracy.

    BLOCK AS SPECIALIST IN IMMORALITY

    Block has written a number of books now that advocate unethical and immoral activity as individually beneficial – without acknowledging that all criminal, unethical, immoral, conspiratorial, parasitic behavior is beneficial to individuals or small groups. That does not answer the question of why moral groups should cooperate with immoral groups, or should not conquer, enslave, or kill immoral groups, since cooperate is irrational if all it means is another group can engage in parasitism against your group.

    So in this sense, Block represents the position of anti-social libertines in the libertine-libertarian movement who hold to the immoral and unethical the body of thought, that originated in the application of ghetto ethics to german continental moral philosophy, as a reaction against the anglo-enlightenment-libertarianism’s universalism.

    SUMMARY

    So while most libertine-libertarians, and many moral-libertarians, refer in some way or another to the NAP, in all cases the cross-cultural consensus is meaningless as other than a simple signal of group membership – like a secret handshake, or mason’s ring, or religious jewelry or clothing – because the NAP is merely a recognition of the fact that libertarians dislike state aggression against them, not because the NAP is a sufficient rule for any political, moral, or legal purpose.

    So while Walter is the leading figure in libertinism, that is largely because libertines are justifying empathic, non-rational, sentimental approval of arguments that they clearly do not understand, and whose value to them, is that the are sufficiently complex to mirror the reflects of religious texts: that they are extremely difficult to refute, and they justify the speaker’s moral sentiments. Not because they are rationally complete, scientifically demonstrable or demonstrated, or sufficient for legally basis or morally foundation.

    That’s enough for now. Although I should probably continue.

    Curt Doolittle

    The Philosophy of Aristocracy

    The Propertarian Institute

    Kiev, Ukraine.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 11:13:00 UTC

  • MARXISM AND CATHOLIC IDEALISM – INFORM PROPERTARIANISM —“How did the Communist

    MARXISM AND CATHOLIC IDEALISM – INFORM PROPERTARIANISM

    —“How did the Communists capture one-third of the world’s population by 1950, given the fact that Lenin had only a handful of followers in 1900?”– Gary North from Douglas Hyde

    —“Few people join [movements] because their founders developed philosophically persuasive systems of historical cause-and-effect. They join because the movements promise moral uplift personally and even moral reform culturally”—Gary North from Douglas Hyde

    Note: But motive is different from content, is different from long term result. Just because people join movements for moral reasons, does not mean that movements predicated upon philosophically persuasive systems, or even systems of scientific laws, which can persist over the long term, by surviving as formal institutions, cannot easily be present in equal parts in any movement. It is only that the latter is harder than the former to construct.

    –“…a statistically abnormal number of communists he had met on several continents had this in common: They were lapsed Catholics. Why? Because of their idealism. The Church failed to appeal to this idealism, especially among youth. So, they departed into the camp of the enemy.”— Gary North from Douglas Hyde

    NOTE: He doesn’t have this quite right. Why do they have such idealism? … Heroism, and Chivalry as means of demonstrating heroism. Catholics. Idealists. ( Don Finnegan this is why we haven’t figured it out: it’s “idealism as an act of chivalry”. )

    —” when organizations make minimal demands on their members, they get minimal commitment. When they make big demands, they get big commitment.”— Gary North from Douglas Hyde

    (This is also born out by all research that I have been able to find. Aristocratic Egalitarianism places great demands upon the individual to secure freedom for himself and for others. Because he must both fight for those who offer to enter into the aristocratic contract, and demand truth, truthfully stated, or punish liars for pollution of the commons (theft from the commons).

    (Propertarianism places additional intellectual burdens on members, who must master non trivial forms of argument, and employ that non-trivial form of argument whenever and wherever they encounter arguments not stated truthfully, and they must educate anyone who desires to conduct those same arguments. Operationalism and Testimonial truth are merely difficult arguments to master, and the number of those who can master them is limited.)

    –“…successful long-term leadership requires systematic training. The Communist Party was careful to provide such training at all levels. Everyone was trained to

    exercise leadership in his appropriate field.”–

    Obvious. In all organizations. Everywhere. Throughout all time. Until you can institute nomocracy under property rights that prohibit all parasitism, and therefore eliminate demand for the state by all but the most immoral of men. Monopolies must create institutional order, before polyopolies can maintain an institutional order.

    —fin—


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-22 20:46:00 UTC

  • “Truth defeats gossip, operationalism defeats obscurantism, testimony defeats pl

    –“Truth defeats gossip, operationalism defeats obscurantism, testimony defeats platonism, but only declaring the normative commons as shareholder property rights allow us to punish the use of gossip, obscurantism and platonism; and only punishment for such thefts provides an incentive against their use.”–

    Punish evil.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-22 10:12:00 UTC