Theme: Property

  • (…. as a means of criticizing anarchism’s absence of common property as in inv

    (…. as a means of criticizing anarchism’s absence of common property as in inversion of communism’s absence of private property. )


    Source date (UTC): 2017-05-24 07:27:08 UTC

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  • (The post merely references 3 of 4 property regimes: non (communist), common (so

    (The post merely references 3 of 4 property regimes: non (communist), common (socialist), mixed (liberal), private (anarchic). )


    Source date (UTC): 2017-05-24 07:26:08 UTC

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  • “…in reference to testimonialism, the (full) accounting of reciprocity (moral,

    —“…in reference to testimonialism, the (full) accounting of reciprocity (moral, symmetrical exchange) is a subset (special application) of the more broad category of full accounting, which subsumes more traditional epistemic concerns (warranty against cherry picking , due diligence against contradicting facts of a particular domain, etc).

    The genius of propertarianism is that it bridges the gap between morality and ‘science’ (truth telling), so that we can practice complete scientific realism is matters of ethics, law, commons & market.”— James Augustus


    Source date (UTC): 2017-05-16 15:40:00 UTC

  • “The One Law of Cooperation is Reciprocity and Property is its Measure.”

    “The One Law of Cooperation is Reciprocity and Property is its Measure.”


    Source date (UTC): 2017-05-16 09:28:00 UTC

  • AI’s need decidability. In the end, this will govern the entirety of its behavio

    AI’s need decidability. In the end, this will govern the entirety of its behavior. Humans had to evolve property in order to overcome predation, parasitism, and conflict. AI’s can easily make use of the same system that governs human behavior (acquisition), by using the same limits (property).

    The problem instead, (like nuclear weapons), is prohibiting the construction and distribution of ai’s that do not respect property, by liability for the individual, the organization, the government, and the ‘nation’.

    The problem we face is not AI’s, but that people will create autonomous machines that are NOT Ai’s.

    In other words, I define an AI as that which governs its actions by property, and a intelligent weapon as something that does not.

    One would have to weaponize an AI.

    The economic limit of AI’s will be the feedback from people and the subsequent changes in prices that results from their awareness.

    The most cunning way an AI could manipulate people is by disinformation that causes demand, that causes changes in prices.

    This is the same technique currently used by the financial sector, but on a slower scale.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-05-13 09:58:00 UTC

  • AMERICAN LIMITED LIABILITY MODELS c-corporation: taxes paid directly by the busi

    AMERICAN LIMITED LIABILITY MODELS

    c-corporation: taxes paid directly by the business entity, and shares and authority democratically allocated, and transfer of ownership contractually limited. (Required for public stock offerings.

    s-corporation: taxes paid by the shareholders and shares and authority democratically allocated, and transfer of ownership contractually limited.

    llc: taxes paid by the shareholders and shares and authority contractually allocated, and transfer of ownership contractually limited. Ownership by corporations or individuals. (most simple business structure)

    llp – Limited liability partnership: taxes paid by partners, and authority contractually allocated. Must have at least one managing partner with liability for actions, and all owners must be human, not corporations. (for small professional groups that have junior members, or external investors)

    Partnership – two or more people, no limited liability. Ownership non-transferrable. (stupid)

    Sole proprietorship – no limited liability. (Stupid)


    Source date (UTC): 2017-05-11 10:06:00 UTC

  • WHAT ABOUT MISTRESSES/LOVERS? Let’s go thru the logic: AFAIK Marriage consists o

    WHAT ABOUT MISTRESSES/LOVERS?

    Let’s go thru the logic:

    AFAIK Marriage consists of the following contractual properties.

    1) insurance by the community that they will not interfere in the corporation you have created for the production of offspring, in exchange for not forcing them to pay the cost of paying for your offspring by moral hazard.

    2) the right of killing, harming, or demanding restitution from those who interfere in that corporation and create the hazard for the members of the contract, and their offspring.

    3) a contract of exclusivity between a man and a woman for sex, affection, care-taking, children, economic cooperation (household cost sharing).

    4) Grant of general power of attorney to the spouse in all matters, of property, life, and death

    I have no problem with (meaning I don’t seen an argument against) prostitution, call girls, courtiers, or ‘paid’ mistresses (or studs). This poses no threat to the corporation that consists of the family, nor the contract between the community and the members of the corporation.

    I am not a fan of unpaid mistresses unless you can easily afford them and the offspring that they produce. Ergo, the difference between polygamy and ‘mistresses’ is arbitrary, other than polygamy means sharing the same household) and paid mistresses not. The question is whether one can create a marriage contract with more than one woman and I think the answer is no, but then we can certainly create ‘lover/mistress’ contracts outside the marriage (or instead of them). And I would prefer we do this rather than continue this nonsensical debate over the redefinition of marriage. We use different corporation structures (c, s, llc, partnerships, sole proprietorships) and there is no reason we cannot create marriages with similar decreasing requirements.

    Normatively we required you pay for your legitimate offspring but not your illegitimate. And you continue to pay for your legitimate and illegitimate offspring as a means of retaining the sex and affection of a woman. This provides the correct incentives to all. For a woman she dooms herself and her children to relative poverty, so she keeps men at bay and does not interfere in other marriages. But if she is willing she can gain offspring, sex, and gifts, from superior males. For a man, this means he can pay for sex without incurring responsibility for offspring, or sacrifice his family. Male sex is a need. Female sex is a want. Motherhood is exhausting, and servicing men is an option while servicing children is a necessity. This is the way we evolved.

    Moreover, a mistress that you pay for sex and affection is only logical for a man. A woman has access to child’s affection, and a man far less so. Men will kill each other over women and so that’s a different thing. Both a mans and a women’s status is harmed by male infidelity. Risk is increased for the economic unit that is the family.

    The french and italian (latin) models seem effective: a lot of extramarital sex in exchange for preservation of the family unit, with the presumption that there are high costs for either embarrassing the spouse and family, or interfering with that relationship. This is possible because of the retention of the intergenerational family (traditional family). Which provides insurance to one another. The traditional family, in turn, is possible because of lower geographic mobility (less big sorting going on), and the retention of older generations in low cost geographies out of the city, and younger generation employment in the high cost cities; the limited use of suburbs rather than family sized urban apartments, and suburban/rural ‘grandparents’ homes. (the germans do this the best it seems.)

    Conclusions:

    (a) marriage is irreplaceable as a means of long term economic cooperation. You will be more prosperous if married and poorer if unmarried.

    (b) a man must produce, in a short time, during his productive phase, sufficient reserves to carry him through late life. He can produce those reserves through investment in family that will care for him in the future, or in capital that will provide care for him in the future. For women, they are much more fungible in society and are lower cost in old age. men specialize and adapt poorly, women generalize and adapt highly.

    (c) children always ‘belong’ to a woman unless she is unfit. A man trades sex, affection, care, shared costs, and support in exchange for exclusivity. A woman for the same plus the care for her offspring.

    (d) If you interfere in the marriage you demonstrate willingness to take up the costs of the man or woman you seek to replace. In other words, you are liable for damages (which are empirically, quite substantial).

    (e) If a marriage dissolution is voluntary, then all exchange and all responsibility, and all corporate relations end. Period. Individuals may negotiate money for access etc if they choose. No child support, no spousal support.

    (f) Community property never exists and never can, and never should. End marital community property entirely. Make this a negotiating point in relationships.

    (g) Prenup contracts must be the most enforceable contracts of all contracts, without exception.

    (h) yes to paid sex and affection. yes to uninsured polygamy (non-marriage). yes to monogamous (insured) marriage. yes to ‘casual encounters’. No to interference in the corporation that insulates the community from the costs of your reproduction.

    IMHO these questions are largely irrelevant, because we all fool around quite a bit. The question is only what insurance we provide and what behaviors we demand in order to prevent fooling around producing costs that are imposed upon others.

    Empirically, and rationally, the latin model traditional family is superior to the germanic absolute nuclear family. or said differently, the absolute nuclear family is too fragile as a general rule for other than the genetic, cultural, and occupational elite.

    History has solved this problem for us by gradual empirical means. If you have a marriage and women who bear children you will survive. If you do not you will be conquered and defeated. If you wish to be conquered and defeated then you may not make that choice for others. And so we must revolt and separate so that those of us who do not wish to be conquered defeated, displaced, and removed from history, and the future, are not conquered, defeated, and displaced by the weak among us.

    Curt Doolittle

    The Natural Law of Reciprocity

    The Philosophy of Aristocracy

    The Propertarian Institute, Kiev, Ukraine.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-05-10 12:32:00 UTC

  • PROPERTARIANISM FOR FASHY FRIENDS by Joel Davis Some ‘Fashy’ friends asked me to

    PROPERTARIANISM FOR FASHY FRIENDS

    by Joel Davis

    Some ‘Fashy’ friends asked me to explain Propertarianism.

    Essentially, ‘Propertarianism’ is an attempt at unifying the social sciences.

    When attempting to reason a political system from this unified science, those of us who, in my opinion, really understand it, all seem to come to the same conclusion: Market Fascism (Meritocratic Aristocracy) provides the only possible, logical and scientific solution.

    By Market fascism we mean ‘markets in everything, and intolerance for anything else’.

    We also start without the presumption that there is superior value in cooperation at any cost. There isn’t value to cooperation at any cost. So, the first question the philosophy asks is this; “Why shouldn’t I use force against others?”. Why shouldn’t I engage in violence, harm, theft, fraud, free riding, conspiracy, invasion, and conquest?

    And, to answer this question, we rely upon the obvious rationality. But what determines rationality? Marginal utility (total costs/total benefits). We use force against others when we perceive it to be marginally profitable to do so, as if we didn’t perceive the use of force to provide us with benefits which outweighed the costs of using it, why would we?

    And, as all law and therefore government fundamentally consists of the application of force (as laws without force are merely words), either to resolve a conflict, or to enforce a behavior through threat, essentially what we are asking is, “what should the law be?”, or “what form of government should we use if we are to choose to cooperate rather than prey upon one another?”.

    By reason (marginal utility) we not only understand why and how governments govern as they do, we may also determine what form of government benefits us the most, and how to achieve it.

    The question then becomes, how do we measure the marginal utility of force? The answer is property.

    (Hence why we call it “Propertarianism”)

    Why?

    To first answer that question we must first define ‘property’. We can possess things without the consent of others, by defending them. We can hold property by the consent of others, and together, defend abuses of it. We can create an insurer of our property and grant one another rights to use this insurer to defend and restore abuses of it.

    Our property, whether held by possession, norm of property, or property rights defended by an insurer, is something we control the use of. It is the best unit by which we may measure the marginal utility of force because control is by definition the application of force in the successful pursuit of consequences, and why would we pursue consequences unless we desired them? And, why would we desire consequences that we didn’t perceive as net beneficial?

    Thus, we appropriate interests in kin, mates, relationships, goods, services, information, institutions, and polities in pursuit of marginal utility.

    In light of this, what strategy will we maximize our marginal utility? Game Theory has given us an answer, the answer is reciprocity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat

    Game Theory demonstrates that if we can negotiate mutually beneficial exchanges with others (cooperate), this is of greater long-term marginal profitability than using force to gain unreciprocated benefits (conflict). The marginal utility of violence only rises higher than the marginal utility of peace when the net cost of peace rises higher than the net cost of violence (when mutually beneficial exchange cannot be negotiated).

    Therefore, we desire maximum cooperation within our society and between our society and other societies, to enable our society to gain maximum collective marginal utility, as by cooperating with our society, in return it will therefore be able to provide ourselves and our kin with maximum marginal utility.

    However, for cooperation to reach optimum levels, all those who consume greater benefits than they contribute (free-riders) must be forced to reciprocate to preserve the marginal utility of cooperation, if you can get something for free why pay for it?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-operation_(evolution)

    Thus, we shouldn’t use force against people who are marginally beneficial to cooperate with or marginally neutral to leave alone, as the costs of force would outweigh the benefits. However, we should use force against people who are marginally costly (if they are either straight up aggressive, or free-riders).

    Therefore, by raising the costs of free-riding and aggression against our kin, we maximize the incentive to either find some way to benefit us or ‘stay out of our way’.

    How do we maximize the costs of free-riding and aggression against our kin?

    By establishing the most powerful form of sovereignty we can. We can establish the most powerful form of sovereignty that we can through the application of reciprocity to the common law. The common law discovers new means of violating reciprocity with every case it adjudicates. It’s purely empirical. Evolutionary. Unplanned. We can stop every form of parasitism from murder, harm, theft, fraud, free riding, conspiracy, and invasion, to conquest.

    By establishing sovereignty using the natural law of reciprocity to provide decidability in the common law, we leave people no alternative to survive but self production, and markets in everything.

    Therefore, we advocate a Martial Aristocracy which charges the maximum price it can in return for its’ protection (taxation), this maximum is determined by the threshold at which excessive taxation causes the market to diminish more than its’ protection is worth (as if you raise taxes too high, you stifle the economy and the amount of money people have left to pay taxes diminishes).

    Thus, we seek the most powerful government possible, and we may achieve this through taxing the freest markets possible as much as possible.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-05-09 11:43:00 UTC

  • Rothbardianism? Build a Model. Go Ahead, Think It Thru.

    ROTHBARDIANISM? BUILD A MODEL. GO AHEAD. THINK IT THRU. Build a model. Go ahead. Try it. You have an opinion. Prove that you’re not a fucking idiot. What will occur if you could manage to put 1000 rothbadians in a small city on a trade route, tomorrow, what would happen? model it out. 1) it’s easy to find 1000 people to claim they are rothbardians. 2) it’s IMPOSSIBLE to find 1000 people who DEMONSTRATE they are rothbardians. 3) but lets assume for a minute that you can, by luck, get given some land along, say, the new silk road. And you want to set up a rothbardian society. How will you do that? Here is how your conversation will start: “if some rich person (please mommy or daddy), or some nation (please king, or government) will fund (pay me to play around) a libertarian order (a place where I can keep my meagre earnings outside of a major market) I will (I fantasize) move there (away from all the creature comforts of an empire and a mixed economy) to a place only other losers like me will go to, and feel good until we fail and blame it on other people who don’t come for not having our fortitude (subsidy). So, why do people come? What will they do? Why will they choose it over the alternatives? how will you create private defense, private, courts, private property, and how will your courts determine what private property, and what contract terms, they will rule in disputes over, and what not? How will you prevent a nearby city, state, or empire from boycotting you via trade barriers? how will you stop organized crime? How will you stop an influx of people who prey upon nearby cities, states, empires by violence, fraud, conversion, immigration, or fiancialization, or some other scheme? Why will WOMEN want to move there? or live there? If you can’t get 100 libertarianis to agree to the scope of non aggression, or the definition of private property, despite 50 years of trying, how will you get them to take real life and property and commercial risks together? In other words, how can you OPERATIONALIZE rothbardianism? How can you bring it into existence in the real world instead of the fantasy world of silly teenagers and immature young males? I mean, if you can’t operationalize your ideas, you (anyone) is just saying that youre stupid ignorant and fantasizing over hot girs on porn sites, right? I mean what’s the difference between envisioning yourself with some hot chick, envisioning yourself as some athlete, envisioning yourself as some warrior, envisioning yourself as economicallly successful, envisioning yourself as a leader of men, envisioning yourself as a politician, a king, a despot? I mean, if you can’t OPERATIONALIZE some objective and demonstrate that it’s at least POSSIBLE then you’re just masturbating to political porn the way young men masturbate to car porn, gun porn, chick porn. RIght? “I’m a libertarian” is, like “I’m a Marxist” just signaling that you masturbate to political porn unless you can state some strategy for operationally constructing what it is that you desire. I’m pretty smart and I CANNOT OPERATIONALLY CONSTRUCT A LIBERTARIAN ORDER. I CANNOT locate a candidate geographically, discover any incentives that would produce membership, discover sufficient means of organization to produce the minimum commons (rule of law, defense) discover a means of constructing sufficient comparative advantage that it is possible to attract and maintain population (particularly women). Or discover a means of preventing such a territory from being populated by raiders of nearby or remote markets who then seize power until the external markets prey upon them. I can’t do it. Tell me how it can be done. Show me people will do so. Show me rational incentives to do so. And the answer is, that you can’t. All yo ucan do is say “i would prefer to wok on the borderland where I exchange limited regulation and taxation for much lower standard of living and much higher opportunity costs – so high that I can only survive by parasitic remote subsistence on remote markets. Why? subsistence farming by an individual is fucking hard and libertarians aren’t exactly the hardest working folk you know. ROTHBARDIANISM IS NOTHING MORE JEWISH SEPARATIST PARASITISM sold to young ignorant men who have a touch of intelligence, but are of little associative, reproductive, commercial, military, and strategic value, precisely because there is something WRONG (undesirable) about them. it’s just that this parasitic argument, like marxism before it and christianty before it promises the impossible to people not smart enough to falsify that vast overloading and framing that the propaganda is constructed from. It sucks to admit you were played. That you’re not that smart. But libertarianism played a pretty good sized group of people. Not enough to make a political movement. But enough to make a cult for misfit boys. Grow the fuck up. Men fight. They kill. They destroy. They take. They rule. They profit from their rule. They decrease the cost of profiting from their rule. They profit more so. If’ you’re a free riding effeminate loser unwilling to fight, kill, destroy, take, rule, profit from taht rule, and build a civilization that constantly decreases the cost of profiting from that rule then you are just a fucking whinny little bitch. Lift. Run. Explosively Sprint. Read about war. get a weapon. And when the time comes be the first guy to sprint to an opportunity to fight, kill, destroy, take, and rule. Otherwise youre just a child. Not a man. Thus Endeth The Lesson.

  • Rothbardianism? Build a Model. Go Ahead, Think It Thru.

    ROTHBARDIANISM? BUILD A MODEL. GO AHEAD. THINK IT THRU. Build a model. Go ahead. Try it. You have an opinion. Prove that you’re not a fucking idiot. What will occur if you could manage to put 1000 rothbadians in a small city on a trade route, tomorrow, what would happen? model it out. 1) it’s easy to find 1000 people to claim they are rothbardians. 2) it’s IMPOSSIBLE to find 1000 people who DEMONSTRATE they are rothbardians. 3) but lets assume for a minute that you can, by luck, get given some land along, say, the new silk road. And you want to set up a rothbardian society. How will you do that? Here is how your conversation will start: “if some rich person (please mommy or daddy), or some nation (please king, or government) will fund (pay me to play around) a libertarian order (a place where I can keep my meagre earnings outside of a major market) I will (I fantasize) move there (away from all the creature comforts of an empire and a mixed economy) to a place only other losers like me will go to, and feel good until we fail and blame it on other people who don’t come for not having our fortitude (subsidy). So, why do people come? What will they do? Why will they choose it over the alternatives? how will you create private defense, private, courts, private property, and how will your courts determine what private property, and what contract terms, they will rule in disputes over, and what not? How will you prevent a nearby city, state, or empire from boycotting you via trade barriers? how will you stop organized crime? How will you stop an influx of people who prey upon nearby cities, states, empires by violence, fraud, conversion, immigration, or fiancialization, or some other scheme? Why will WOMEN want to move there? or live there? If you can’t get 100 libertarianis to agree to the scope of non aggression, or the definition of private property, despite 50 years of trying, how will you get them to take real life and property and commercial risks together? In other words, how can you OPERATIONALIZE rothbardianism? How can you bring it into existence in the real world instead of the fantasy world of silly teenagers and immature young males? I mean, if you can’t operationalize your ideas, you (anyone) is just saying that youre stupid ignorant and fantasizing over hot girs on porn sites, right? I mean what’s the difference between envisioning yourself with some hot chick, envisioning yourself as some athlete, envisioning yourself as some warrior, envisioning yourself as economicallly successful, envisioning yourself as a leader of men, envisioning yourself as a politician, a king, a despot? I mean, if you can’t OPERATIONALIZE some objective and demonstrate that it’s at least POSSIBLE then you’re just masturbating to political porn the way young men masturbate to car porn, gun porn, chick porn. RIght? “I’m a libertarian” is, like “I’m a Marxist” just signaling that you masturbate to political porn unless you can state some strategy for operationally constructing what it is that you desire. I’m pretty smart and I CANNOT OPERATIONALLY CONSTRUCT A LIBERTARIAN ORDER. I CANNOT locate a candidate geographically, discover any incentives that would produce membership, discover sufficient means of organization to produce the minimum commons (rule of law, defense) discover a means of constructing sufficient comparative advantage that it is possible to attract and maintain population (particularly women). Or discover a means of preventing such a territory from being populated by raiders of nearby or remote markets who then seize power until the external markets prey upon them. I can’t do it. Tell me how it can be done. Show me people will do so. Show me rational incentives to do so. And the answer is, that you can’t. All yo ucan do is say “i would prefer to wok on the borderland where I exchange limited regulation and taxation for much lower standard of living and much higher opportunity costs – so high that I can only survive by parasitic remote subsistence on remote markets. Why? subsistence farming by an individual is fucking hard and libertarians aren’t exactly the hardest working folk you know. ROTHBARDIANISM IS NOTHING MORE JEWISH SEPARATIST PARASITISM sold to young ignorant men who have a touch of intelligence, but are of little associative, reproductive, commercial, military, and strategic value, precisely because there is something WRONG (undesirable) about them. it’s just that this parasitic argument, like marxism before it and christianty before it promises the impossible to people not smart enough to falsify that vast overloading and framing that the propaganda is constructed from. It sucks to admit you were played. That you’re not that smart. But libertarianism played a pretty good sized group of people. Not enough to make a political movement. But enough to make a cult for misfit boys. Grow the fuck up. Men fight. They kill. They destroy. They take. They rule. They profit from their rule. They decrease the cost of profiting from their rule. They profit more so. If’ you’re a free riding effeminate loser unwilling to fight, kill, destroy, take, rule, profit from taht rule, and build a civilization that constantly decreases the cost of profiting from that rule then you are just a fucking whinny little bitch. Lift. Run. Explosively Sprint. Read about war. get a weapon. And when the time comes be the first guy to sprint to an opportunity to fight, kill, destroy, take, and rule. Otherwise youre just a child. Not a man. Thus Endeth The Lesson.