Theme: Property

  • (FB 1551371937 Timestamp) —“Proprietarianism-You can have my donut if I can ha

    (FB 1551371937 Timestamp) —“Proprietarianism-You can have my donut if I can have yours and no one else gets harmed in the process”–Greg Grzywacz He forgot the last bit. —…. Otherwise, either you don’t get my donut, and if you even try, I’m going to end you and eat both our donuts.”–CurtD

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    (FB 1551540319 Timestamp) GOVERNMENT UNDER PROPERTARIANISM, NOT PROPERTARIAN GOVERNMENT. (AND THE ABSOLUTIST QUESTION) (core) Propertarianism consists of a methodology for producing truthful, rational, reciprocal, commensurable fully accounted speech that all but prohibits error, bias, deceit, and fraud. And the application of that method to the scope of human knowledge, producing a universal vocabulary and grammar commensurable across all disciplines. With this methodology, applied to law, you can produce arguments, constitutions and bodies of law, that are fully commensurable, fully accounted, and prohibit error, bias, deceit, and fraud. With these arguments, constitutions, and bodies of law you can produce any form of government – you just must do so truthfully with full accounting and transparency. There is no ideal form of government because different forms of government are more or less suitable to different demographic distributions, degrees of neoteny, states of cooperative (middle class) development, and more or less suitable to times of war, peace, and windfalls. There is however, an optimum system of government for european peoples, and any other peoples who wish to produce european standards of life, because this form of government provides the greatest limitation on rents, greatest incentive for production distribution and trade, and the greatest adaptability to change, greatest rates of innovation, and the greatest shared rewards (commons) because of all of the above. That system of government consists in: A Federation (nomocracy). Of Nation States. Under Rule of Law: …Federally Limited to material conflicts between polities. …Locally unlimited production of commons. …Each Administered by an Independent Judiciary. And Defended by: …A Universal militia …In Regimental Orders …And a Cadre of Professional Warriors. And either Limited Monarchy: …A Hereditary Monarchy …A Professional Cabinet …Houses of Juries by Class (assent, veto) …Privatized Bureaucracies Or Narrowly Participatory Monarchy: …A Hereditary Monarchy (assent, veto) …A Professional Cabinet …Houses as a Market between Classes (market) …Privatized Bureaucracies Or Broadly Participatory Monarchy: …A Hereditary Monarchy (assent, veto) …A Professional Cabinet …Virtual Houses as a Market between Classes (market) …Privatized Bureaucracies With each state producing commons suitable to the interests and desires of the people. I work under the model of progressive decline in sovereignty given ability to organize. The lesson of the soviet model is that (Authoritarian ) Monarchy Military Warriors Judiciary Sheriffs Police (Market) Finance, Scientific Elites, Academic Elites Entrepreneur, Scientists, Professors professional, researchers, teachers administrator, research assistants, media. (Mixed Market) craftsman, laborer, dependents, (Non-Market) Soldiers Serfs Slaves Prisoners

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    (FB 1551540319 Timestamp) GOVERNMENT UNDER PROPERTARIANISM, NOT PROPERTARIAN GOVERNMENT. (AND THE ABSOLUTIST QUESTION) (core) Propertarianism consists of a methodology for producing truthful, rational, reciprocal, commensurable fully accounted speech that all but prohibits error, bias, deceit, and fraud. And the application of that method to the scope of human knowledge, producing a universal vocabulary and grammar commensurable across all disciplines. With this methodology, applied to law, you can produce arguments, constitutions and bodies of law, that are fully commensurable, fully accounted, and prohibit error, bias, deceit, and fraud. With these arguments, constitutions, and bodies of law you can produce any form of government – you just must do so truthfully with full accounting and transparency. There is no ideal form of government because different forms of government are more or less suitable to different demographic distributions, degrees of neoteny, states of cooperative (middle class) development, and more or less suitable to times of war, peace, and windfalls. There is however, an optimum system of government for european peoples, and any other peoples who wish to produce european standards of life, because this form of government provides the greatest limitation on rents, greatest incentive for production distribution and trade, and the greatest adaptability to change, greatest rates of innovation, and the greatest shared rewards (commons) because of all of the above. That system of government consists in: A Federation (nomocracy). Of Nation States. Under Rule of Law: …Federally Limited to material conflicts between polities. …Locally unlimited production of commons. …Each Administered by an Independent Judiciary. And Defended by: …A Universal militia …In Regimental Orders …And a Cadre of Professional Warriors. And either Limited Monarchy: …A Hereditary Monarchy …A Professional Cabinet …Houses of Juries by Class (assent, veto) …Privatized Bureaucracies Or Narrowly Participatory Monarchy: …A Hereditary Monarchy (assent, veto) …A Professional Cabinet …Houses as a Market between Classes (market) …Privatized Bureaucracies Or Broadly Participatory Monarchy: …A Hereditary Monarchy (assent, veto) …A Professional Cabinet …Virtual Houses as a Market between Classes (market) …Privatized Bureaucracies With each state producing commons suitable to the interests and desires of the people. I work under the model of progressive decline in sovereignty given ability to organize. The lesson of the soviet model is that (Authoritarian ) Monarchy Military Warriors Judiciary Sheriffs Police (Market) Finance, Scientific Elites, Academic Elites Entrepreneur, Scientists, Professors professional, researchers, teachers administrator, research assistants, media. (Mixed Market) craftsman, laborer, dependents, (Non-Market) Soldiers Serfs Slaves Prisoners

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    (FB 1551884573 Timestamp) RESPONSE TO “TURD FLINGING MONKEY” AND KRITARCHY =Turd Flinging Monkey= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lr90HDyfpU& == CURTD == Sorry man but Propertarianism is a METHODOLOGY. You can produce any kind of government with it that you want. I Talk about restoring fascism, monarchical government, multi house government, as options for reforming our system. I propose a constitution for restoring the constitution and defending and repairing the weaknesses in it, and another for devolving the federal government into an insurer of last resort. But Kritarchy, especially in the jewish method (legal interpretation of literary tradition), where there is no means of commons production (The reason the jews always failed) is pretty much the opposite. You could say instead, that the ultimate government under the method would be more like the way the church served as a judiciary over european nationstates, and that church as it would have evolved had natural law and deism (anthropomorphism of the laws of nature and the natural law) replaced parable and supernaturalism. Very tedious to defend against straw men. =Turd Flinging Monkey= I’m referring specifically to elements such as making lying illegal, and declaring intangibles property. This would necessarily open up a legal nightmare which would ultimately rest on the human biases of judge to sort out. However if Propertarianism can be anything, and its merely methodology, then so be it. It appeared to be promoted as a system of government, not merely a methodology to create any government you want. ==CURTD== Yes, It is a methodology. And as far as I know it is the missing logic of psychological and social sciences including economics and law – because it has parsimonious explanatory power in every one of those disciplines. Yes it is possible to use this methodology to construct any system of laws transparently and truthfully. Yes it is possible to use this methodology to plug holes in our common law, our legislative processes, and our judicial processes. Because the method, by producing a formal logic of the ‘soft (human)’ sciences enables and forces judgements made not by interpretation but by application of that logic. The prosecution of lies in the commons is possible because today we successfully suppress fraud in commercial speech, and in the past we used to prosecute scolding, libel, slander, fraud, fraud by omission, fraud by conspiracy, and treason in defense of the commons (King’s Peace). We allowed the state and the left to use the hole in ‘free speech’, rather than free truthful speech, to destroy our protections of the informational commons. And we did not repair the holes in the constitution (ascent w/o court ascent, inability of the court to return undecidability to the legislature, and that the court’s ‘interpretation’) We did so for the simple reason that christianity is constructed by the same technique of lying, in excitement of the same incentives, as are marxism, postmodernism, feminism, and denialism: false promise, baiting into hazard, the sophisms of pilpul and critique, and environmental saturation with repetition of the deceit despite persistent contrary evidence. This is the same behavior as drug addiction because it is in our underlying biology why we are vulnerable to drug addiction: demand for mindfulness. But rather than expressly permitting christian ‘parable’ and outlawing all other forms of deceit (it was the anglo enlightenment at the time, and religion, philosophy and science were competing), we have preserved those holes in our law permitting the abuse of our people and the gradual INTENTIONAL degradation of our informational commons, upon which most of the population is more dependent than upon reason. As in all eras, every time we increase the scope of suppressions of the law, there are a fury of cases until the incentives work their way through the ‘markets’ such that people change their behavior in order to avoid prosecution under the law. This particular law I (we) recommend suppresses commercial, financial, economic, political, and pedagogical speech IN THE COMMONS from using that method of false promise, baiting into hazard, the sophisms of pilpul (justification) and critique (criticism) and environmental saturation with these deceits. For example, in this case I could claim damage because you published a piece of of assertive critique (straw manning) rather than simply asking the question whether what you thought was true or false, and operating from a position of knowledge rather than ignorance. Because there are legitimate criticisms of the work. I know them and I publish them with frequency. Especially when the work is available for free, the definition of it on the home page in bright colors, and the overview of the innovations in an outline with links to relevant arguments. As such you sought attention, virtue signals, and if you collect revenue, you sought profits, by failure of due diligence before asserting a criticism in public. The result would be fewer public opinions of higher quality, and a near eradication of leftist discourse. Conservatives would not have this problem since conservatism is largely reducible to defense of all forms of property equally, and libertarianism defense of private property, and the left defense of nothing other than unmeritocratic consumption of children. But the fact that law has been, is now, and must be the means by which we engineer a social order of sufficient precision that advanced civilization can occur in a complex division of cognition and labor among at least the productive classes – although arguably religion is sufficient for slaves, serfs, underclass, and unskilled and semiskilled labor. Although they must be bound by law, since law remains, the adjudication of differences in conflicts over property, where property the result of demonstrated interest (costs).

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    (FB 1551884573 Timestamp) RESPONSE TO “TURD FLINGING MONKEY” AND KRITARCHY =Turd Flinging Monkey= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lr90HDyfpU& == CURTD == Sorry man but Propertarianism is a METHODOLOGY. You can produce any kind of government with it that you want. I Talk about restoring fascism, monarchical government, multi house government, as options for reforming our system. I propose a constitution for restoring the constitution and defending and repairing the weaknesses in it, and another for devolving the federal government into an insurer of last resort. But Kritarchy, especially in the jewish method (legal interpretation of literary tradition), where there is no means of commons production (The reason the jews always failed) is pretty much the opposite. You could say instead, that the ultimate government under the method would be more like the way the church served as a judiciary over european nationstates, and that church as it would have evolved had natural law and deism (anthropomorphism of the laws of nature and the natural law) replaced parable and supernaturalism. Very tedious to defend against straw men. =Turd Flinging Monkey= I’m referring specifically to elements such as making lying illegal, and declaring intangibles property. This would necessarily open up a legal nightmare which would ultimately rest on the human biases of judge to sort out. However if Propertarianism can be anything, and its merely methodology, then so be it. It appeared to be promoted as a system of government, not merely a methodology to create any government you want. ==CURTD== Yes, It is a methodology. And as far as I know it is the missing logic of psychological and social sciences including economics and law – because it has parsimonious explanatory power in every one of those disciplines. Yes it is possible to use this methodology to construct any system of laws transparently and truthfully. Yes it is possible to use this methodology to plug holes in our common law, our legislative processes, and our judicial processes. Because the method, by producing a formal logic of the ‘soft (human)’ sciences enables and forces judgements made not by interpretation but by application of that logic. The prosecution of lies in the commons is possible because today we successfully suppress fraud in commercial speech, and in the past we used to prosecute scolding, libel, slander, fraud, fraud by omission, fraud by conspiracy, and treason in defense of the commons (King’s Peace). We allowed the state and the left to use the hole in ‘free speech’, rather than free truthful speech, to destroy our protections of the informational commons. And we did not repair the holes in the constitution (ascent w/o court ascent, inability of the court to return undecidability to the legislature, and that the court’s ‘interpretation’) We did so for the simple reason that christianity is constructed by the same technique of lying, in excitement of the same incentives, as are marxism, postmodernism, feminism, and denialism: false promise, baiting into hazard, the sophisms of pilpul and critique, and environmental saturation with repetition of the deceit despite persistent contrary evidence. This is the same behavior as drug addiction because it is in our underlying biology why we are vulnerable to drug addiction: demand for mindfulness. But rather than expressly permitting christian ‘parable’ and outlawing all other forms of deceit (it was the anglo enlightenment at the time, and religion, philosophy and science were competing), we have preserved those holes in our law permitting the abuse of our people and the gradual INTENTIONAL degradation of our informational commons, upon which most of the population is more dependent than upon reason. As in all eras, every time we increase the scope of suppressions of the law, there are a fury of cases until the incentives work their way through the ‘markets’ such that people change their behavior in order to avoid prosecution under the law. This particular law I (we) recommend suppresses commercial, financial, economic, political, and pedagogical speech IN THE COMMONS from using that method of false promise, baiting into hazard, the sophisms of pilpul (justification) and critique (criticism) and environmental saturation with these deceits. For example, in this case I could claim damage because you published a piece of of assertive critique (straw manning) rather than simply asking the question whether what you thought was true or false, and operating from a position of knowledge rather than ignorance. Because there are legitimate criticisms of the work. I know them and I publish them with frequency. Especially when the work is available for free, the definition of it on the home page in bright colors, and the overview of the innovations in an outline with links to relevant arguments. As such you sought attention, virtue signals, and if you collect revenue, you sought profits, by failure of due diligence before asserting a criticism in public. The result would be fewer public opinions of higher quality, and a near eradication of leftist discourse. Conservatives would not have this problem since conservatism is largely reducible to defense of all forms of property equally, and libertarianism defense of private property, and the left defense of nothing other than unmeritocratic consumption of children. But the fact that law has been, is now, and must be the means by which we engineer a social order of sufficient precision that advanced civilization can occur in a complex division of cognition and labor among at least the productive classes – although arguably religion is sufficient for slaves, serfs, underclass, and unskilled and semiskilled labor. Although they must be bound by law, since law remains, the adjudication of differences in conflicts over property, where property the result of demonstrated interest (costs).

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    (FB 1551970392 Timestamp) Maybe if I live long enough I can do a rewrite of fascism in propertarian prose because at that point it would be unstoppable.

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    (FB 1551968899 Timestamp) PROPERTARIANISM SIMPLY EXPLAINED. ( We should hire this guy. )

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    (FB 1551970392 Timestamp) Maybe if I live long enough I can do a rewrite of fascism in propertarian prose because at that point it would be unstoppable.

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    (FB 1551981350 Timestamp) by Philip Clark Curt how would propertianism handle complex things in society like 1. Alcohol, Drugs 2. Pornography 3. Abortion 4. Death penalty Other controversial stuff that have some negative side effects to society that’s legal to some degree in the US right now. I know this is diving deep into the weeds and there’s way bigger problems to solve before hand. This would be an interesting video for John Mark to do a video. —Answer— I’ve answered all of these before but lets condense them here:

    1. ALCOHOL AND DRUGS
      GIVEN
      a) Family and Commons (conservatism/capitalization) take priority over individual satisfaction (hedonism/consumption) – this is the inverse of ‘individualism’ and returns us to ‘familialism’ – intergenerational production instead of temporal consumption.
    2. PORNOGRAPHY
      There is no right to anything in public other than quietly walking down a public way or ‘necessary way’ (hedgerow) staring at your feet and keeping your mouths shut.

    b) Alcohol and drugs are no one’s business unless externalized into the commons. c) Unfortunately they are frequently externalized into the commons. Therefore the question of alcohol and drugs are empirical (outputs) not blanket (inputs). And therefore a local community decision – not a universally decidable question. But that does not mean that we cannot define a point of demarcation. We can: d) Technically speaking you are no longer human (rational) when not in control, unable to perform due diligence, exposing others to hazard, and therefore have no rights in the commons, because you cannot engage in reciprocity. Therefore you lose your sovereignty because you no longer can demonstrate it. I really don’t know why you have the right to be drunk or stoned in public, and I know for certain you can’t claim the right to disconnect (heroin) or trip (hallucinate) in public. What you do on a boat, in the wilderness, or in your home, is up to you. Unfortunately this takes most of the joy out of recreational drugs. That said, if no one can tell, no one can tell. e) it is very hard to i) claim recreational use is a bad, ii) claim therapeutic use is a bad, iii) claim self medication in modernity is a bad, UNLESS iv) instead of self medication we provide both conditions non-hostile to mindfulness and provide mindfulness training (Stoicism etc) to the same degree that devotion does (continuous repetition and enforcement), and insurance (medical care, charity) to one another in case we fail and self medication is the only coince. (IMO, suicide should be an option, since all must have the right of exit.) f) The line of demarcation is crossed at (v) externalization of addiction. There can be no ‘right to addiction’. Empirically speaking, we should provide death sentences for addicts, or those engage in crime to finance addiction, or those who sell drugs to those who are addicts or engage in grim to finance addiction. (“The Duerte Rule”). We are currently running an experiment in Pornography. This experiment appears to a) suppress sexual frustration due to easy masturbation, b) dramatically reduce male sex drive and competitiveness (producing docility), c) produce sexual dysfunction in males, c) reduce sex crime, d) but feed extreme deviants (pedophiles, etc) – since novelty is part of the excitement that generates sexual stimulation we must run to extremes. There is no evidence that the human body (nudity) is a bad thing in public – probably just the opposite. There is evidence that infidelity may follow the degree of nudity in public (I can’t be sure of this). There is some evidence that limiting the range of pornography (which the industry does fairly well) might be of a benefit. There is some evidence that studio quality ‘romantic porn’ is not only not bad but instructive. There is plenty of evidence men are losing the skills (patience) taught to my generation during the 70’s. Ergo, if it’s not in public, and meets propertarian criteria, it is a matter of choice. It it externalizes into the public then it’s a violation. This is an empirical statement, and nothing else is decidable. I would recommend a park-like public since online access in private is universally available.

    1. ABORTION
      Search my site for my works on abortion. Net is that it’s undecidable. And therefore a matter of local choice.
    2. DEATH PENALTY
      The experiment with eliminating the death penalty has been a failure – a catastrophic one, and in our constitution I have corrected this to some degree and given license to restore even lynching.

    So the only difficult question here is drugs. The rest are pretty simple.

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    (FB 1551984037 Timestamp) MOST CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE? —“Curt Doolittle: What’s the most controversial social issue that is the most difficult to solve for propertarianism?”—Philip Clark Religion without exception. Abortion because it is so passionate and it is not a question of law but of choice on the part of the community. hence the necessity of small custom communities. I’ll say this:

    1. Abrahamic religion is a rather obvious bad – but it appears we are stuck with it.

    2. Abortion is very difficult because (a) it is never clear that we aren’t just trying to suppress sexuality (which is fine) but address the underling question not abortion, (b) whether it’s any different or worse than ‘exposure’ by which women have killed more lives than all wars in history combined. (c) whether it’s simply a better choice than putting children into terrible circumstances and hostile environments. (d) whether it’s tragic for many young couples who are not sufficiently adult and if there is any alternative, (e) that there shouldn’t be some additional penalty for failing to use protection. My opinion is keep it legal but make couples pay dearly for it over the long term. But it’s only an opinion.