(Questions at the bottom, answers here. The answers are excellent on their own.) 1. That’s included in the cost of incrementally suppressing parasitism. Yes, if you ban toys that include poisonous cadmium, then Chinese toy manufacturers won’t be able to operate in your country, and this negatively impacts your economy (at least in the short term). This is part of the cost we pay to keep the commons clean. In Curt’s conception of In Curt’s conception of market for commons, different classes negotiate for their favored commons. For example, the house that represents industrialists may negotiate lower taxes in exchange for accepting certain regulations demanded by the aristocratic class. We have limited resources and different commons must compete for those resources in order to ensure cooperation of classes. (Curt’s marketplace for the commons idea is not made very clear yet, this is my interpretation of it). Eds: Curt: Yep. That’s the right interpretation. In market government I don’t say what you can or should exchange, only that it may not be parasitic – a violation of natural law. 2. Again, you can’t prove reason using reason. Reason validates itself through reality. Curt’s epistemological theory (testimonialism) validates itself through its performance in reality (it is already validated in hard sciences, he’s not actually inventing something new, he’s integrating and generalizing methods that are already in use). 3. Game theory actually is a deductive science. Prisoner’s dilemma holds universally when its assumptions are satisfied. Logic of cooperation for humans discovers actual real life conditions and applies deductive game theory reasoning on them for full accounting. Then everything follows deductively. When Curt says ‘Judge discovered parsimonious law’, I believe he’s talking about a Judge resolving a dispute by discovering law, which is discovered just like a scientific law is discovered, i.e. by putting it to the test of six categories and peer review. The most pertinent part here is accounting for all forms of property (unlike the limited scope of libertine intersubjectively verifiable property), including informational and genetic property. Note that this is really a formalization of Natural Law and the method by which it’s discovered. (You can’t falsify the scientific method, you can only falsify scientific theories (proto-laws) discovered by the scientific method). 4. You may not like a theory, but if you can’t prosecute it via testimonialism, you can’t condemn it. This is approximately the same principle we have in law. When we prosecute someone for murder, we put the claim to certain tests and demand a very high standard of proof. The same applies when prosecuting for polluting the commons (whether informational, genetic, or environmental). There are necessarily false positives and false negatives, but this the best we can do (and this is what we already do currently). 5. Again. Logic of cooperation is objective. Determine all forms of property involved in a dispute to the best of your knowledge. Account fully for all damage done to all forms of property involved. Prosecute. This is partially what we do already. Judges use testimony and try to determine harm to property, which is narrowly defined as intersubjectively verifiable property. This doesn’t account for all property, so Curt fixes it. 6. Prosecutors prosecute each other. Judge discovered law is peer reviewed by other jurists. There’s ineluctably human error involved in this process (which is true for all human run systems). If the intellectual caliber of the aristocratic class is not sufficient to understand testimonialism and adhere to honor (on average), this obviously won’t work. This is true for any system. Checks and balances is a lie. At the end of the day, if the jurists are corrupt or dumb, you’re doomed. That’s why low IQ polities are hopeless. There’s no magic system/mechanism that will make sure a low trust polity starts following rules — you have to violently suppress parasites, which is the essence of Aryan Aristocratic rule. 7. This is not a matter of ‘should’. It’s a matter of ‘is’. Reality: lower classes are dependents and they can’t be made independents, especially when it comes to deciding veracity of an information, because they have low IQs, and IQ is largely heritable. You protect and look after your lower classes. In exchange, they abstain from polluting the genetic commons (or pollute less) and they behave. 8. You can’t reason parasites into not being parasites (it’s not in their interest). You violently suppress them. Drop the slave cuck morality and endow yourself with the moral authority to suppress fraud, parasitism, lies and theft. That’s what Curt is giving us: moral authority. —“ERIC: 1. If I am a smart phone manufacturer and I have to decide where to build a factory, am I going to choose to build it in a location where I face greater legal repercussions for defective products, or lesser? 2. “We observe that some theories that are existentially possible but not operationally constructed are false.” Okay, well then unless Curt’s epistemological theory can be operationally constructed it is false.3. You claim that his “logic of cooperation” is objectively discoverable, i.e. falsifiable. Are the basic propositions of his logic really universally applicable? No, he is rather playing the arbiter of a system of cooperation that, so far, has not actually been implemented. If we cannot falsify his claims until he builds his ideal society then the construction of that society has to be conducted in large part on faith, really not dissimilar to the communists who await the realization of a true socialist polity to validate Marx’s theories. 4. When scientific breakthroughs first occur their proponents are often universally condemned. Sometimes it takes decades for the scientific community to catch up and for the innovator to be exculpated. To presume that Curt’s legal system would be able to recognize a paradigm changing theory as genuine before the scientific community is optimistic at best and naively credulous at worst. 5. The lynch pin of this is Curt’s moral criteria. Since Curt has said that failure in any one of these six dimensions amounts to falsification this implies that anyone who has anything to say that contradicts Curt’s own moral theory is automatically false. Curt has hardly published enough argumentation to render his moral views axiomatically certain.6. If he ever establishes his system do you really think that the mechanisms would be in place for him to actually be held accountable? One of the basic elements of his system are these “six criteria”, and you’ve already said that they cannot be evaluated by their own logic. Since it is his epistemological schema that is used to adjudicate propositions at least one of his central dogmas is structurally immune to criticism within his legal framework. 7. The lower classes should be subordinate, but not dependent. They accept subordination to a higher source of authority so that they might be molded more to its image, not so that they can suckle at its tit. To attempt to shelter children from the dangers of the world rather than to prepare them for its dangers is an involution of the paternal role. 8. He’s given himself a tall order and I doubt he’ll be able to actually fill it philosophically, but I don’t doubt that he’ll be able to persuade fools into committing violence for him if that’s what he wants- that was one of his professional roles after all.”—
Theme: Predation
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A Nation? Nationalism? Vs Statism?
A State, and bureaucracy, provide fertile ground for parasitism, for the sole reason that a majority of men do not demand Rule of Law, under Natural Law, using Judge Discovered Law, and accumulating in the Common Law. A nation is quite good at preventing alternative ‘tax farms’, brought into being by conquest using war, religion, immigration, trade. And arguably, as an extension of the tribe, the nation is best at it. Those that could not form sedentary societies were destroyed by those that could. Since a sedentary society is productive, not parasitic. Jews, Gypsies, underclass immigration, and we ‘migratory occidental craftsmen’, vary in value from catastrophically harmful, to a net loss, to of some limited economic value by providing expertise – we are a questionable exception, not a definite rule. All of us live under the political orders that survive competition, not those we choose to have were that competition were absent. Man was not in the past, nor is he today, good. He is rational. He chooses predation when it is rational, parasitism when rational, production when it is rational, and trade when it is rational. We create institutions to deny him the rational choice of predation or parasitism, and thereby force all people into either production or trade. From that thing we call ‘rule’, by rule of law, we can possibly eliminate all discretion but judicial discretion, and judicial discretion only within the limits of that law. But in no case can we eliminate organized production of commons and survive competition. The west advanced faster than the rest, because we created the most difficult commons for any people to produce: truth, property, jury, and natural, common, judge-discovered law. In other words: social science. It’s our invention of social science, (law) that we applied to other fields. And that law is insured, and enforced, by the organized application of violence by ‘the peers’ – those men who demand rule of law. Those who cannot pay for war, cannot as a consequence, pay for staving off war by others. Wishing for liberty does not make liberty so. Violence alone does. We fight for liberty under natural law, judge-discovered common law, with universal standing and rule of law (universal application), or we shall not have it. For we will fail to rais the price of rule to some other means of decidability, organization of property. And our only sincere permanent allies in such a long term war are our kin. Ergo. Nationalism: kin under natural law, with a market for reproduction, a market for production and consumption, and a market for commons. Curt Doolittle The Propertarian Institute Kiev, Ukraine
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A Nation? Nationalism? Vs Statism?
A State, and bureaucracy, provide fertile ground for parasitism, for the sole reason that a majority of men do not demand Rule of Law, under Natural Law, using Judge Discovered Law, and accumulating in the Common Law. A nation is quite good at preventing alternative ‘tax farms’, brought into being by conquest using war, religion, immigration, trade. And arguably, as an extension of the tribe, the nation is best at it. Those that could not form sedentary societies were destroyed by those that could. Since a sedentary society is productive, not parasitic. Jews, Gypsies, underclass immigration, and we ‘migratory occidental craftsmen’, vary in value from catastrophically harmful, to a net loss, to of some limited economic value by providing expertise – we are a questionable exception, not a definite rule. All of us live under the political orders that survive competition, not those we choose to have were that competition were absent. Man was not in the past, nor is he today, good. He is rational. He chooses predation when it is rational, parasitism when rational, production when it is rational, and trade when it is rational. We create institutions to deny him the rational choice of predation or parasitism, and thereby force all people into either production or trade. From that thing we call ‘rule’, by rule of law, we can possibly eliminate all discretion but judicial discretion, and judicial discretion only within the limits of that law. But in no case can we eliminate organized production of commons and survive competition. The west advanced faster than the rest, because we created the most difficult commons for any people to produce: truth, property, jury, and natural, common, judge-discovered law. In other words: social science. It’s our invention of social science, (law) that we applied to other fields. And that law is insured, and enforced, by the organized application of violence by ‘the peers’ – those men who demand rule of law. Those who cannot pay for war, cannot as a consequence, pay for staving off war by others. Wishing for liberty does not make liberty so. Violence alone does. We fight for liberty under natural law, judge-discovered common law, with universal standing and rule of law (universal application), or we shall not have it. For we will fail to rais the price of rule to some other means of decidability, organization of property. And our only sincere permanent allies in such a long term war are our kin. Ergo. Nationalism: kin under natural law, with a market for reproduction, a market for production and consumption, and a market for commons. Curt Doolittle The Propertarian Institute Kiev, Ukraine
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Doesn’t Everyone Try To Lie Cheat And Steal?
Isn’t libertarianism merely an attempt by the middle class to obtain status and power parity with the judicial-military upper class, without paying the (dear) costs to the relationship to their customers and market that truth, judgment, policing, and warfare entail? Isn’t Jewish libertinism an attempt not only to escape those costs, but the costs of producing the commons AS WELL? Isn’t it necessary for commissions (dividends) from the market produced by the judicial-military imposition of order, just compensation for the high cost to their lives, livelihoods, relationships and families? Isn’t feminism and socialism just an attempt to circumvent the exchange of sex, care, and servitude for the results of the production of order, the production of goods and services, and the production of generations by the family? Aristocracy (martial/judicial – limits ) (organization of cooperation) Priestly (public intellectual – advocacy) (organization of ambitinos) Burgher (organization of production distribution and trade) Family (organization of production of generations) Labor (production of goods and services) (organization of physical reality) Dependent (Young, Infirmed, and Old) Underclass (those who cannot contribute but just cost) Criminal-class (career predators and parasites)
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Doesn’t Everyone Try To Lie Cheat And Steal?
Isn’t libertarianism merely an attempt by the middle class to obtain status and power parity with the judicial-military upper class, without paying the (dear) costs to the relationship to their customers and market that truth, judgment, policing, and warfare entail? Isn’t Jewish libertinism an attempt not only to escape those costs, but the costs of producing the commons AS WELL? Isn’t it necessary for commissions (dividends) from the market produced by the judicial-military imposition of order, just compensation for the high cost to their lives, livelihoods, relationships and families? Isn’t feminism and socialism just an attempt to circumvent the exchange of sex, care, and servitude for the results of the production of order, the production of goods and services, and the production of generations by the family? Aristocracy (martial/judicial – limits ) (organization of cooperation) Priestly (public intellectual – advocacy) (organization of ambitinos) Burgher (organization of production distribution and trade) Family (organization of production of generations) Labor (production of goods and services) (organization of physical reality) Dependent (Young, Infirmed, and Old) Underclass (those who cannot contribute but just cost) Criminal-class (career predators and parasites)
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Eli Harman on Cooperation
Cooperation is rational in that it can be vastly preferable to non-cooperation or conflict. But it also requires altruism because most preferable of all is to defect while OTHERS cooperate with you. And foregoing that temptation (on behalf of others, more than yourself) is a price that one must pay in order to cooperate. Cooperation is self-enforcing among kin. And defection is self-defeating among kin. Kinship makes altruism reciprocal because genes which code for kinship altruism help other instances of themselves, and therefore spread and outcompete genes which code for, or don’t code against, defection against kin (which parasitize other instances of themselves.) Cooperation between non-kin is possible but it is more difficult and costly, it requires more technology: reputation, active enforcement, full accounting, quid pro quo, exchange, warranty, adjudication, punitive measures, etc… Cooperation between non-kin is therefore more technical than between kin and would best be left to specialists while most people live most of their lives, and do most of their business, among kin – to minimize costs and maximize benefits.
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Eli Harman on Cooperation
Cooperation is rational in that it can be vastly preferable to non-cooperation or conflict. But it also requires altruism because most preferable of all is to defect while OTHERS cooperate with you. And foregoing that temptation (on behalf of others, more than yourself) is a price that one must pay in order to cooperate. Cooperation is self-enforcing among kin. And defection is self-defeating among kin. Kinship makes altruism reciprocal because genes which code for kinship altruism help other instances of themselves, and therefore spread and outcompete genes which code for, or don’t code against, defection against kin (which parasitize other instances of themselves.) Cooperation between non-kin is possible but it is more difficult and costly, it requires more technology: reputation, active enforcement, full accounting, quid pro quo, exchange, warranty, adjudication, punitive measures, etc… Cooperation between non-kin is therefore more technical than between kin and would best be left to specialists while most people live most of their lives, and do most of their business, among kin – to minimize costs and maximize benefits.
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Staying On Message Against Cosmopolitan Utopianism
(non-commons libertarians are parasites) End Rothbardian LIbertinism, Marxist Socialism, Straussian Neoconservatism. LIBERTINISM: PARASITISM ON HOST COMMONS (LATE 20th CENTURY LIBERTARIANISM) anrcho libertarian: eastern-european-russian-jewish libertine. ethics of borderland, bazaar, and ghetto. Non-consequentialist ethics. (parasitic) ARISTOCRACY: SOVEREIGNTY (CONSERVATISM) classical liberal libertarian: anglo-germanic liberty. market reproduction (family), market production(economy), market commons (multi-house-govt), market justice (rule of law). Ethics of landholding militia. Consequentialist ethics. (productive)
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Staying On Message Against Cosmopolitan Utopianism
(non-commons libertarians are parasites) End Rothbardian LIbertinism, Marxist Socialism, Straussian Neoconservatism. LIBERTINISM: PARASITISM ON HOST COMMONS (LATE 20th CENTURY LIBERTARIANISM) anrcho libertarian: eastern-european-russian-jewish libertine. ethics of borderland, bazaar, and ghetto. Non-consequentialist ethics. (parasitic) ARISTOCRACY: SOVEREIGNTY (CONSERVATISM) classical liberal libertarian: anglo-germanic liberty. market reproduction (family), market production(economy), market commons (multi-house-govt), market justice (rule of law). Ethics of landholding militia. Consequentialist ethics. (productive)
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We Evolve A Reductions in Frictions and Costs
Just as we evolve property from common to private; Just as we evolve the suppression of parasitism from criminal, to fraudulent, to free riding, to conspiratorial, to warfare; Just as we evolve argument from mysticism to reason, to rationalism, to empiricism, to testimonialism; We also evolve truth from justificationary, to moral, to legal, to scientific, to testimonial. Each thing we do removes frictions AND costs.