… and that like the middle east, farming makes you vulnerable to warriors, which necessitates the institution of warrior aristocracy (clan defense), which in turn results in conflict, then state formation, and irrigation creates demand for state resolution of disputes.
Source date (UTC): 2021-04-20 21:30:38 UTC
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Yes that’s the argument: that geography, means of production, and relationship between warriors (rulers) and peasantry determine all institutional formation, which anchors the population permanently in the ‘cultural’ presumptions.
Source date (UTC): 2021-04-20 21:25:31 UTC
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The purpose of destroying the institutions of cultural production, including traditions, norms, education, law, government, truth, reason, science, and especially behavioral sciences, is to generate conflict, generating demand for authority, so they obtain power w/o merit. https://twitter.com/curtdoolittle/status/1384169059302854663
Source date (UTC): 2021-04-19 15:38:45 UTC
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https://twitter.com/curtdoolittle/status/1384169059302854663
It appears that method of food production determines method of warfare. Method of warfare determines who and how society is organized. First institution appears to be the relationship between who organizes and the ‘peasantry’. So geography, military, homogeneity vs Heterogeneity.
Source date (UTC): 2021-04-19 15:20:09 UTC
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in other words all organizations calcify without some means of competition, causing reformation. So as the ‘tests’ incdreasingly became meaningless (how can you draw this characters) vs mastery of empirical laws (science of govt)
Source date (UTC): 2021-04-19 14:51:36 UTC
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1) The government was originally empirical
2) Over time, like the bureaucracy it became ‘moral-philosophical’ instead of empirical
3) And china never developed rule of law, but rule of authority (command) – like corporations rules (top down) rather than via-negativa (bottom up).
Source date (UTC): 2021-04-19 14:50:31 UTC
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nope. The recent publication was only confirming that it was the organization more so than the size of specific regions.
Source date (UTC): 2021-04-19 05:55:12 UTC
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THE ORIGINS OF THE FATE OF CIVILIZATIONS (really)
(If you liked my explanation of western civ, here is a comparison of the origins of civilizations and their institutions and why it was and is deterministic.)
https://propertarianinstitute.com/2021/04/18/the-fate-of-civilizations-really/
(It’s an OUCH moment)
Source date (UTC): 2021-04-18 22:16:24 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1383907291653578760
Coercion (Organization): There are only three means of human coercion:
1. Political: Force/Defense, 2. Remunerative: Bribe-Trade/Boycott-Deprivation, 3. Social: Insurance(Inclusion)/Ostracization(Canceling)Institutions(Scale): All civilizations develop those institutions in one order or another:
1. Europe (Oligarchy and Law): Militia -> Empirical Law -> State -> (Philosophy, but Fail at underclass religion) 2. China (State and Bureaucracy): Military(State) -> Philospophy(Religion) -> Fail At Empirical Law – Stagnation 4. India: (Caste and Culture) Military -> Informal Religion -> Fail At State Formation -> Fail at Empirical Law (Stagnation) 3. Middle East: (Tribes and Formal Religion) Religion -> Military(State) ->Fail at Law – Tribalism (Regression) (African empire formation and American continental empire formations were truncated – they were behind. )
And each civilization naturally produced excellence in its original or core institutions. The problem is the long-term consequences of those foundational institutions are extremely different. Because the rate of evolution depends on the rate of experimentation, and the possibility of retention of improvements because of the possibility of eliminating regression to the mean – continuing natural selection). You can reduce the difference in group evolutionary strategies, and choice of their first institution, between civilizations to their use of the underclasses:
4. Exploitation(middle east) – reversing natural selection 3. Limiting their Damage(India) – castes for natural selection 2. Reducing their Number(China) – bureaucracy for natural selection 1. Or sifting them via merit, limiting the reproduction of the rest (Europe). – markets for natural selection So, yes. Ouch: That one hurt a bit. Because it’s so simple. Peasant “Domesticated Human Animal” treatment drives demand for institutions. You would naturally get bias to each culture’s institutions, by that choice alone. This means civilizational differences originate in how the military (ruling classes) demarcated ‘humans’ and other domesticated animals:
1. Law (Europe @100): Rational: Empiricism, Science, Law: Europeans (market) achieved it from a position of middle neoteny. 2. State (China @105 ): Reasonable: Wisdom and State: Chinese (bureaucracy) achieved it from a position of greater neoteny. 3. Culture(India @100/85), Allegorical: Myth and Culture (unorganized religion). The Indians used a caste system because of the sheer number of the underclass – which is why the Indian upper class has such startling IQ numbers despite national averages. 4. Religion (middle east @85 ): Fictional: Falsehood and Religion (organized religion). The middle east – from a position of lower neoteny – particularly Islam – went the opposite direction, of lionizing and creating a religious monopoly for the underclasses – that they can’t escape.
5. ( ?? ) Africa (@75) Delayed formation because of west African geographic isolation. And in the face of lowest neoteny 6. ( ?? ) Americas (@85) Delayed formation because of geographic isolation. And (Get ready for another ouch) This appears to have been necessary given the homogeneity or heterogeneity of the regional populations, and the degree of evolutionary neoteny (we call IQ and aggression of the populations). Ergo, we the institutions evolved that needed to evolve for the degree of evolution of the regional population AND its means of production AND means of warfare.
Africans: Africa = East African Urheimat and Coastal Dispersion (@75) South Eurasians: East Africa To Dry Persian Gulf Urheimat dispersion from north Africa to India (@85) East Asians: Persian gulf, to India to Tibet and Tibetan Plateau Urheimat – East Asia north to south (@105) Sout Eurasian hybridization (@90) Europeans: Europe to Urals, Europeans, Ancestral North Eurasian, Anatolian Farmer Hybridization) (really to china) (@100) (aggressive selection pressure in Europe for 3000+ yrs) SiberianAmericans: East Asian and ancestral north Eurasian hybridization. (@85) (Eskimo peoples (@90) In other words, world choices and consequences were deterministic in the absence of knowledge of evolutionary pressures and the consequences. Now that we know, what’s our excuse? 😉
Coercion (Organization): There are only three means of human coercion:
1. Political: Force/Defense, 2. Remunerative: Bribe-Trade/Boycott-Deprivation, 3. Social: Insurance(Inclusion)/Ostracization(Canceling)Institutions(Scale): All civilizations develop those institutions in one order or another:
1. Europe (Oligarchy and Law): Militia -> Empirical Law -> State -> (Philosophy, but Fail at underclass religion) 2. China (State and Bureaucracy): Military(State) -> Philospophy(Religion) -> Fail At Empirical Law – Stagnation 4. India: (Caste and Culture) Military -> Informal Religion -> Fail At State Formation -> Fail at Empirical Law (Stagnation) 3. Middle East: (Tribes and Formal Religion) Religion -> Military(State) ->Fail at Law – Tribalism (Regression) (African empire formation and American continental empire formations were truncated – they were behind. )
And each civilization naturally produced excellence in its original or core institutions. The problem is the long-term consequences of those foundational institutions are extremely different. Because the rate of evolution depends on the rate of experimentation, and the possibility of retention of improvements because of the possibility of eliminating regression to the mean – continuing natural selection). You can reduce the difference in group evolutionary strategies, and choice of their first institution, between civilizations to their use of the underclasses:
4. Exploitation(middle east) – reversing natural selection 3. Limiting their Damage(India) – castes for natural selection 2. Reducing their Number(China) – bureaucracy for natural selection 1. Or sifting them via merit, limiting the reproduction of the rest (Europe). – markets for natural selection So, yes. Ouch: That one hurt a bit. Because it’s so simple. Peasant “Domesticated Human Animal” treatment drives demand for institutions. You would naturally get bias to each culture’s institutions, by that choice alone. This means civilizational differences originate in how the military (ruling classes) demarcated ‘humans’ and other domesticated animals:
1. Law (Europe @100): Rational: Empiricism, Science, Law: Europeans (market) achieved it from a position of middle neoteny. 2. State (China @105 ): Reasonable: Wisdom and State: Chinese (bureaucracy) achieved it from a position of greater neoteny. 3. Culture(India @100/85), Allegorical: Myth and Culture (unorganized religion). The Indians used a caste system because of the sheer number of the underclass – which is why the Indian upper class has such startling IQ numbers despite national averages. 4. Religion (middle east @85 ): Fictional: Falsehood and Religion (organized religion). The middle east – from a position of lower neoteny – particularly Islam – went the opposite direction, of lionizing and creating a religious monopoly for the underclasses – that they can’t escape.
5. ( ?? ) Africa (@75) Delayed formation because of west African geographic isolation. And in the face of lowest neoteny 6. ( ?? ) Americas (@85) Delayed formation because of geographic isolation. And (Get ready for another ouch) This appears to have been necessary given the homogeneity or heterogeneity of the regional populations, and the degree of evolutionary neoteny (we call IQ and aggression of the populations). Ergo, we the institutions evolved that needed to evolve for the degree of evolution of the regional population AND its means of production AND means of warfare.
Africans: Africa = East African Urheimat and Coastal Dispersion (@75) South Eurasians: East Africa To Dry Persian Gulf Urheimat dispersion from north Africa to India (@85) East Asians: Persian gulf, to India to Tibet and Tibetan Plateau Urheimat – East Asia north to south (@105) Sout Eurasian hybridization (@90) Europeans: Europe to Urals, Europeans, Ancestral North Eurasian, Anatolian Farmer Hybridization) (really to china) (@100) (aggressive selection pressure in Europe for 3000+ yrs) SiberianAmericans: East Asian and ancestral north Eurasian hybridization. (@85) (Eskimo peoples (@90) In other words, world choices and consequences were deterministic in the absence of knowledge of evolutionary pressures and the consequences. Now that we know, what’s our excuse? 😉