Theme: Governance

  • Is the State Moral?

    —“Dear mr Doolittle, How can the state, based on extortion and theft, be reciprocal? Real question. Not some goofy troll. Kind regards”— Sietze Bosman @fryskefilosoof

    [T]he state enforces order (cooperation) sufficient to deny competitors access to the territory, resources, people, their production, and networks of productivity and trade. And to deny internal inhibitors to the income necessary to pay for it. It does this by suppressing local … … rent seeking, corruption, and transaction costs, and centralizing these returns as ‘taxation’, where concentration of that income can be devoted to the production of commons and the multipliers produced by such commons. this creates opportunity for centralized corruption … … and alliance with the state against the people, but without exception, the returns on state vs non-state are obvious: non state’s cannot and do not exist. Even those claimed by ‘libertarians’ are just borderlands defended by states or empires, investing in settlement by … … permissiveness we translate as liberty. Since settlers provide claims to territory which can be defended by arms, because in fact, they are investing in that territory, and reciprocity is the only international natural law that we can observe. We defend what we invest in. The only means of policing the state that we know of is rule of law through the courts of universal standing in matters both private and common.We have had this revoked by the state during the modern period, and we’ve been disintermediated from the courts as our means of defense. Democracy can never control anything other than voting an oligarchy into or out of office. Its insufficient for policy or defense because representatives are not required to state terms of contract before they enter office. So with democracy, disintermediation from the courts … … the only remaining method of insurance of sovereignty, liberty, freedom, and reciprocity is the militia and revolt. So the state must and can collect fees for defense, and the courts. It cannot compete unless it can collect fees for investment in the commons. Paying such people richly if small in number reduces their chances of corruption. But allowing them to buy votes through … … redistribution; and provides finance and internationals (large scale) with access to rents, rather than locals whose rents were suppressed (small scale), merely shifting the problem from many distributed rent seekers to fewer larger centralized rent seekers. This would appear to be a null trade, but it’s not, since suppression of local corruption and rent seeking provides the economic velocity that makes finance and internationals possible. So we must simply repeat the process of using the courts and the law to suppress … … new, larger organizations of rent seekers and corruption. And this process never ends. Man invents. So men will invent new means of rents and corruption, and other men will use the market for the suppression of parasitism that we call the courts and the law to stop them. In this sense the (positive ) market for goods, services, and information is the one we are most aware of. We are somewhat aware of the government (not state) as a market for commons. But of equal import is the (negative) market for the suppression of ir-reciprocity … … whether in the market for consumption (goods services information) or the market for multipliers (commons) we call government. Technically speaking the ‘state’ consists of the assets of the polity and the law its regulator, and the government a means of producing commons. Where commons includes the state and its holdings and the means of defense whether military, judicial or sheriff. Collectively the government and the state also provide the services of an insurer of last resort. The problem is maintaining its role as insurer, investor, … … and resolver of disputes, while not allowing the public to demand redistributions that limit their responsibility rather than insurance that retains it. I hope that is enough of a picture for you. No you can’t live statelessly except in a desert, tundra, or artic waste. That’s why no one has or does. I suppose that like many people who can consume information for entertainment and status you assume man is moral, rather than amoral, and choosing the moral and immoral as incentives provide. We can in fact read others. However history says that reading creates moral behavior … … not that moral behavior is intuitive. As anyone who has raised children finds rather obvious.

  • Is the State Moral?

    —“Dear mr Doolittle, How can the state, based on extortion and theft, be reciprocal? Real question. Not some goofy troll. Kind regards”— Sietze Bosman @fryskefilosoof

    [T]he state enforces order (cooperation) sufficient to deny competitors access to the territory, resources, people, their production, and networks of productivity and trade. And to deny internal inhibitors to the income necessary to pay for it. It does this by suppressing local … … rent seeking, corruption, and transaction costs, and centralizing these returns as ‘taxation’, where concentration of that income can be devoted to the production of commons and the multipliers produced by such commons. this creates opportunity for centralized corruption … … and alliance with the state against the people, but without exception, the returns on state vs non-state are obvious: non state’s cannot and do not exist. Even those claimed by ‘libertarians’ are just borderlands defended by states or empires, investing in settlement by … … permissiveness we translate as liberty. Since settlers provide claims to territory which can be defended by arms, because in fact, they are investing in that territory, and reciprocity is the only international natural law that we can observe. We defend what we invest in. The only means of policing the state that we know of is rule of law through the courts of universal standing in matters both private and common.We have had this revoked by the state during the modern period, and we’ve been disintermediated from the courts as our means of defense. Democracy can never control anything other than voting an oligarchy into or out of office. Its insufficient for policy or defense because representatives are not required to state terms of contract before they enter office. So with democracy, disintermediation from the courts … … the only remaining method of insurance of sovereignty, liberty, freedom, and reciprocity is the militia and revolt. So the state must and can collect fees for defense, and the courts. It cannot compete unless it can collect fees for investment in the commons. Paying such people richly if small in number reduces their chances of corruption. But allowing them to buy votes through … … redistribution; and provides finance and internationals (large scale) with access to rents, rather than locals whose rents were suppressed (small scale), merely shifting the problem from many distributed rent seekers to fewer larger centralized rent seekers. This would appear to be a null trade, but it’s not, since suppression of local corruption and rent seeking provides the economic velocity that makes finance and internationals possible. So we must simply repeat the process of using the courts and the law to suppress … … new, larger organizations of rent seekers and corruption. And this process never ends. Man invents. So men will invent new means of rents and corruption, and other men will use the market for the suppression of parasitism that we call the courts and the law to stop them. In this sense the (positive ) market for goods, services, and information is the one we are most aware of. We are somewhat aware of the government (not state) as a market for commons. But of equal import is the (negative) market for the suppression of ir-reciprocity … … whether in the market for consumption (goods services information) or the market for multipliers (commons) we call government. Technically speaking the ‘state’ consists of the assets of the polity and the law its regulator, and the government a means of producing commons. Where commons includes the state and its holdings and the means of defense whether military, judicial or sheriff. Collectively the government and the state also provide the services of an insurer of last resort. The problem is maintaining its role as insurer, investor, … … and resolver of disputes, while not allowing the public to demand redistributions that limit their responsibility rather than insurance that retains it. I hope that is enough of a picture for you. No you can’t live statelessly except in a desert, tundra, or artic waste. That’s why no one has or does. I suppose that like many people who can consume information for entertainment and status you assume man is moral, rather than amoral, and choosing the moral and immoral as incentives provide. We can in fact read others. However history says that reading creates moral behavior … … not that moral behavior is intuitive. As anyone who has raised children finds rather obvious.

  • Yes We Need Order Rather than Chaos

    Yes We Need Order Rather than Chaos https://propertarianism.com/2019/10/03/yes-we-need-order-rather-than-chaos/


    Source date (UTC): 2019-10-03 22:55:40 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1179892805612851205

  • Yes We Need Order Rather than Chaos

    (from Gab)

    —“Jefferson? We don’t need freedom, we need order”– @alternative_right

    [Y]es, but what order?

    1. Order of Truth, Science, Law and productive cooperation? (Rule of Law – Competition between men under the law of reciprocity.)
    2. Or order of Lies, Supernaturalism, Scripture and Parasitism – Rule by men? (Rule by Church Men – Priests)

    3. Or order of Fraud, Pseudoscience, Sophism and Parasitism – rule by men? (Rule by Dishonest Men – “You Know Who”)

    4. Or order of Force, Command, Whim, and Parasitism – rule by man? (Rule by Forceful Men – Military )

    Let me explain Jefferson’s context. 1. The Aristocratic order (taxation force), 2. The Priestly Order(lies, obedience and Tithes) and 3. The Commercial order (truth, tort, and trade). His understanding was natural law Natural law by rule of law. Rule of law producing a commercial order. A commercial order is a voluntary order. An order of meritocracy. Meritocracy meaning Natural Aristocracy. We haven’t replaced it with socializing. We’ve replaced it with DISORDER. We can have our order but we cannot have it by the simple means you intuit. Rules must exist, and rules free of human ‘discretion’ because in the end all human discretion ‘swims left’. Jefferson was (correctly) trying to create a THIRD WAY, free of the parasitism of the state and church – who were both tremendous parasites that kept our people in ignorance and poverty. The Enemy can bed defeated by law and prosecution without planting the seeds of another enemy. The natural law is the best civic religion ever invented by man. The natural law, the stoic method, and the Epicurean goals are the optimum personal religion. The Five Rules of Christianity, if limited to Kin, are the optimum method of producing harmony. The only cost one bears under the natural law is christian forgiveness. And Aryan Intolerance. Every Man a Sheriff.

  • Yes We Need Order Rather than Chaos

    (from Gab)

    —“Jefferson? We don’t need freedom, we need order”– @alternative_right

    [Y]es, but what order?

    1. Order of Truth, Science, Law and productive cooperation? (Rule of Law – Competition between men under the law of reciprocity.)
    2. Or order of Lies, Supernaturalism, Scripture and Parasitism – Rule by men? (Rule by Church Men – Priests)

    3. Or order of Fraud, Pseudoscience, Sophism and Parasitism – rule by men? (Rule by Dishonest Men – “You Know Who”)

    4. Or order of Force, Command, Whim, and Parasitism – rule by man? (Rule by Forceful Men – Military )

    Let me explain Jefferson’s context. 1. The Aristocratic order (taxation force), 2. The Priestly Order(lies, obedience and Tithes) and 3. The Commercial order (truth, tort, and trade). His understanding was natural law Natural law by rule of law. Rule of law producing a commercial order. A commercial order is a voluntary order. An order of meritocracy. Meritocracy meaning Natural Aristocracy. We haven’t replaced it with socializing. We’ve replaced it with DISORDER. We can have our order but we cannot have it by the simple means you intuit. Rules must exist, and rules free of human ‘discretion’ because in the end all human discretion ‘swims left’. Jefferson was (correctly) trying to create a THIRD WAY, free of the parasitism of the state and church – who were both tremendous parasites that kept our people in ignorance and poverty. The Enemy can bed defeated by law and prosecution without planting the seeds of another enemy. The natural law is the best civic religion ever invented by man. The natural law, the stoic method, and the Epicurean goals are the optimum personal religion. The Five Rules of Christianity, if limited to Kin, are the optimum method of producing harmony. The only cost one bears under the natural law is christian forgiveness. And Aryan Intolerance. Every Man a Sheriff.

  • Law as A Solution

    —“One of the common themes we see from some people who countersignal us is often they seem to pooh-pooh law as a solution and think that everything can be solved with some sort of aesthetic or spiritual movement. These guys are often young. I see them as just looking for a solution within a frame they understand and that is intuitive to them. In contrast to some of the more mature people who have a spiritual bent but also recognize the importance of punishment (law) and that not everything can be accomplished only with persuasion.”— John Mark

  • Law as A Solution

    —“One of the common themes we see from some people who countersignal us is often they seem to pooh-pooh law as a solution and think that everything can be solved with some sort of aesthetic or spiritual movement. These guys are often young. I see them as just looking for a solution within a frame they understand and that is intuitive to them. In contrast to some of the more mature people who have a spiritual bent but also recognize the importance of punishment (law) and that not everything can be accomplished only with persuasion.”— John Mark

  • Why Universal Nationalism vs Globalism

    WHY UNIVERSAL NATIONALISM VS GLOBALISM by Curt Doolittle

    —“I do universal nationalism. Why? Because natural law judges it as the only not-immoral means of cooperation. But that doesn’t tell you much. Instead it’s because “all men are distant relations cooperating to raise their people by the production of commons information, goods, and services, best suited to doing so despite our differences in rate of development bias in temperament and bias in distribution of abilities.” And if we construct states as extensions of the family, household, clan, tribe, and nation, we have elites who serve the interests of their people on their terms, and the smallest proximity-to-influence-and power that is possible. And we ameliorate our differences not through politics, power, and commons, but through trade of information, goods, and services. If we do otherwise, under globalism, we put those people into competition, where there is one small global elite with interest in one another, and a host of common people suffering their rule. So there is no system of rule superior to universal nationalism, with tolerance for migration of elites for trade purposes – but prohibiting them from local political enfranchise and social involvement, and public speech.”–

  • Why Universal Nationalism vs Globalism

    WHY UNIVERSAL NATIONALISM VS GLOBALISM by Curt Doolittle

    —“I do universal nationalism. Why? Because natural law judges it as the only not-immoral means of cooperation. But that doesn’t tell you much. Instead it’s because “all men are distant relations cooperating to raise their people by the production of commons information, goods, and services, best suited to doing so despite our differences in rate of development bias in temperament and bias in distribution of abilities.” And if we construct states as extensions of the family, household, clan, tribe, and nation, we have elites who serve the interests of their people on their terms, and the smallest proximity-to-influence-and power that is possible. And we ameliorate our differences not through politics, power, and commons, but through trade of information, goods, and services. If we do otherwise, under globalism, we put those people into competition, where there is one small global elite with interest in one another, and a host of common people suffering their rule. So there is no system of rule superior to universal nationalism, with tolerance for migration of elites for trade purposes – but prohibiting them from local political enfranchise and social involvement, and public speech.”–

  • Western Tripartism Made Quadripartism

    Western Tripartism Made Quadripartism https://propertarianism.com/2019/10/03/western-tripartism-made-quadripartism/


    Source date (UTC): 2019-10-03 21:32:06 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1179871773317369870