Theme: Governance

  • QUESTIONS ON VOTING UNDER PROPERTARIAN CONSTITUTION by John Mark Curt, 3 questio

    QUESTIONS ON VOTING UNDER PROPERTARIAN CONSTITUTION

    by John Mark

    Curt, 3 questions/clarifications:

    QUESTION 1. Do I understand correctly that each state can choose who gets to vote (depending on what system they choose from the options presented) BUT only citizens can vote – and because the bar for citizenship is so high, most people will not be voting regardless of where they live?

    Answer:

    (a) CITIZENS: I’m pretty confident on the citizenship criteria – and that’s clearly a federal issue. So I think that’s settled. Yes, Visitors have limited insurance by the courts – they are not equals in court as is a problem in our ‘law’ today. Residents (you are born a resident not citizen) are insured by the government, and citizens (someone who has earned citizenship), and sovereign (someone who has earned the franchise) all seem to be fine.

    (b) VIA NEGATIVA VENUE: all people have the via-negativa vote via the court, to oppose anything that would harm them. So we have clearly provided a juridical defense to all. But the question is who we provide political OFFENSE(Power) to. Because trade (economic markets), personal and group defense (court), and political offense (political force), provide increasingly powerful levers with increasingly powerful requirements for positive incentives, knowledge, and ability. I think in most cases the people would seek court protection from bad policies, and that only good policies would survive. I don’t like providing a vehicle for bad people to produce bad policies. Remember that while you can produce whatever commons and norms you want you can’t lie or engage in irreciprocity or violate the natural law to do so. And so, I’m pretty confident that the courts will do better than the state as a means of ‘political’ defense. And I don’t see much value in voting other than to throw the bums out. But I’m also aware that democracy is a sort of idiotic cult or false religion. And so it’s not easy to say ‘you can’t vote’.

    (c ) VIA POSITIVA VENUE: And as for voting, we provide a set of options (they aren’t in there yet, but I might add them today after this post). Voting was a very tough subject to work through, because the tolerance for, and value of, inclusiveness increases as scale decreases. So, voting in say, your village, or town, or county, vs your city or state is very different.

    On the other hand what we see is people invading an area, then voting to CONSUME ALL POSSIBLE RESOURCES WITHIN IT and then leaving it exhausted by their hyper-consumption. So obviously we have to deal with the empirical reality of a parasitic majority especially since the addition of women.

    But how much does voting matter? Really?

    So we either

    (a) limit voting to the original approval and disapproval of raising of funds (b) limit voting dramatically to a senate, or (c) we create houses for the classes of people by demonstrated merit, or (d) we let people continue the insanity of universal majoritarian democracy and pay for it – with people voting by their feet – because the treasury and the military, in the end, limit what idiots can do.

    In summary: we provide a set of options – but I’m not sure it matters. The competition between court and government under the p-constitution will make it very hard to play silly games. And there is no escape from accountability (ie: california, new york, connecticut) by voting benefits then departing without taking the debts. Under P, there are no state, county, or local debts. They are all apportioned to individuals. And you take your debts with you if you migrate.

    QUESTION 2. There may be more than 50 states because of the (rather ingenious) system where localities can form polities if they can get enough people together? (State lines may end up being redrawn, not just as we separate from the leftist cities but as localities form their own polities?)

    Answer: I expect the number of states to increase and then decrease in pursuit of advantages of scale. I expect city-states to economically insulate themselves from nearby areas. I expect revitalization of each state’s cities. I expect restoration of public transport. Eliminate diversity and you eliminate public frictions, and begin to restore the commons.

    QUESTION 3. Will the blue independent city-states be their own states that form part of the system of governors of states, live under propertarian law, under the supreme court etc, or will they be treated more as independent nations? Will we allow them to “do whatever they want” as long as they don’t allow foreign military presence, or are we ruling them – placing them under P-law, not allowing immigration to those areas either, etc, and just letting them form their own gov’t under P-law and “our rules” but w/ preference for redistribution?

    Answer: Every territory must adhere to the natural law in oder to defend states from each other. There is no moral reason to do otherwise. Every other option is simply an attempt at parasitism. so everyone is under the same NATUAL via negativa law for the same reason the founders chose that method – prevent conquest of the continent (island) by hostiles. But within it, whatever norms people want are possible there. This will rapidly split people by norms but prevent economic, political, demographic warfare.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-14 12:19:00 UTC

  • Look nitwits. Moral license, set of demands, plan of transition, means of insurr

    Look nitwits. Moral license, set of demands, plan of transition, means of insurrection, and opportunity to seize. Every single day the stress builds. Every day the Overton window slides. The minute we talk about action we give away the strategy, and we cross the line.

    Not yet.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-14 05:43:53 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1216959095422492672

  • RT @Outsideness: Brimelow thinks Trump is doing okay

    RT @Outsideness: Brimelow thinks Trump is doing okay. https://vdare.com/articles/national-data-december-data-shows-trump-triumph-on-immigrant-population-worker-displacement-but-will-he-throw-it-away


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-14 04:17:18 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1216937306969473025

  • They had to lie in order to force conscription under democracy. Instead, I propo

    They had to lie in order to force conscription under democracy.
    Instead, I propose return-to-form, and that is war for profit, on behalf of the men who conduct the war. This restores entrepreneurial warfare.

    INCLUDING OUR COMING REVOLUTIONARY WAR


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-13 22:54:29 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1216856069722583042

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1216855102549626880


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    Unknown author

    European man built a civilization on entrepreneurial warfare.From that strategy all else resulted.(Really).
    War is not a moral endeavor unless you’re lying.
    War is the ultimate business venture.
    It’s the highest cost with the highest reward.
    Forgetting that’s the reason we fail. https://twitter.com/curtdoolittle/status/1216854122978254849

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1216855102549626880


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    @curtdoolittle

    European man built a civilization on entrepreneurial warfare.From that strategy all else resulted.(Really).
    War is not a moral endeavor unless you’re lying.
    War is the ultimate business venture.
    It’s the highest cost with the highest reward.
    Forgetting that’s the reason we fail. https://t.co/0b105yYvgp

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1216855102549626880

  • I think like most generals, in supply lines, information, concentration of force

    I think like most generals, in supply lines, information, concentration of forces,and defeating the enemy when he is weakest. What I don’t do (and you wish I did) is sentimental feminine woo woo for simpletons.

    Weak use inspiration and deceit.
    Strong use incentives and truth.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-13 22:46:45 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1216854122978254849

    Reply addressees: @galt_the @JohnNune1

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    @galt_the @JohnNune1 Name calling is cowardice. 😉
    I am an engineer:
    One must have a surplus to defeat the enemy.
    One must have a technological advantage to do so.
    Mongols had new bow, horse, maneuver, and bodies. that’s all. Russia had assymetric power. Europeans had steel and guns. etc.

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    @curtdoolittle

    @galt_the @JohnNune1 Name calling is cowardice. 😉
    I am an engineer:
    One must have a surplus to defeat the enemy.
    One must have a technological advantage to do so.
    Mongols had new bow, horse, maneuver, and bodies. that’s all. Russia had assymetric power. Europeans had steel and guns. etc.

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1216853297518301184

  • You know, children talk in ideologies and abstractions and moralizing and men ta

    You know, children talk in ideologies and abstractions and moralizing and men talk in law (rules) legislation and regulation (process) institutions (organization), and economics – ENGINEERING.

    The federal reserve is eliminated. We keep the treasury and give everyone an account.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-13 22:38:51 UTC

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  • RT @NepstadThe: @curtdoolittle #sicsempertyrannis

    RT @NepstadThe: @curtdoolittle #sicsempertyrannis https://t.co/j97mgOjadp


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-13 21:00:22 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1216827351729954820

  • RT @NepstadThe: @curtdoolittle It’s about that time for someone to lead this gra

    RT @NepstadThe: @curtdoolittle It’s about that time for someone to lead this grass roots movement #sicsempertyrannis https://t.co/7aToJT9oMG


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-13 21:00:14 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1216827315969236997

  • “… government under p-constitution”— Most people talk about government rathe

    —“… government under p-constitution”—

    Most people talk about government rather than law and economics because they understand the triviality of decision by majority (voting).

    But the solution to ‘government’ isn’t government it’s law so that any government can succeed dependent upon the scale of the polity.

    And once we fix the law, we easily fix the government. And then rest of the solution to the present era is mostly economic.

    Our government arose in an era of private capital, and we have preserved the maximization of private capital BEYOND its capacity to produce returns.

    Just as scientific investigation has gone from individuals in workshops to small industry to major industry to requiring multiple governments to fund it – so has every other aspect of ECONOMIC investigation.

    Once money became shares of stock in the economy (that’s what money is), then we were freed from the problem of hard currency.

    But we retained the financial institutions, and the ‘limited’ incentives of institutions.

    And we retained treasuries and governments that exploited private sector gains, rather than produced investments that private sectors cannot. In other words, we made the government irresponsible – when it is the biggest investor in an era where returns require larger and large capital investments.

    Worse, we let the means of distribution of liquidity (maintain the money supply, suppress interest rates, and encourage spending, by borrowing from the citizen’s future productivity in hope of generating greater returns), intermingle interest on business production, profits from business dividends, and returns on speculative investment (stock market), with consumer spending – thereby creating a vast indusry of rent seeking on consumer interest.

    Worse, we let the academy sell worthless unwarrantied diplomas on a scale embarrassing even to the church’s selling of indulgences for the forgiveness of sins. So between 100K debt for a useless education that serves no other purpose than to achieve what IQ and personality tests would provide any business for a pittance; claiming we need immigrants for academic labor so that universities can pay pittance wages to immigrants for what amounts to clerical work and manual labor; flooding the market with worthless degrees and even more worthless ‘research’; and the interest on that academic debt; the interest on homes artificially inflated; the payment of urban rents artificially inflated; the payment of interest on automobiles made necessary by postwar failures of planning, and we see that TRILLIONS – not billions but TRILLIONS of dollars are extracted from ordinary americans, impoverishing anyone who isn’t involved in the rent-seeking scams, such that they cannot afford to produce children.

    So THE PROBLEM IS NOT GOVERNMENT. It is the law and the economy, that permits the industrialization of parasitism on a scale never imagined in history other than when the priests of the ancient world threatened the peasantry with damnation if they didn’t provide them with luxurious standards of living by hard manual labor.

    So, the problem is reorganizing the financial system so that the THEFTS are no longer possible. That is how we will correct ‘what you all feel is wrong’ with the world.

    NO OTHER PERSON has provided this explanation or this means of restoration of western civilization by the total extermination of any and all who engage in parasitism upon the people.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-13 17:17:00 UTC

  • QUESTIONS ON THE PROPERTARIAN-CONSTITUTION —“I wasn’t sure where to ask these

    QUESTIONS ON THE PROPERTARIAN-CONSTITUTION

    —“I wasn’t sure where to ask these questions. If it’s easier to just give me a link to read answers, then please do.

    1) Who does get to vote?

    2) Do we retain a representative republic? If not, what replaces it?”— A Friend

    To answer those questions clearly I have to make a couple of statements in advance – otherwise it’s too likely you’ll spin on assumptions no matter what I say.

    1) The reason we have so much conflict in government is that the left was successful in reframing (as they always do) rule OF law that limited the government to a narrow range of permissible actions, as rule BY law, where whatever the government can agree to by majority is permissible. As such the citizenry (YOU) are always asking the wrong questions and proposing the wrong solutions. Instead, if we restore rule OF law, and we produce a sufficiently scientific and logical body of law, then it doesn’t matter what government you put in place – they can only do what they do truthfully and reciprocally. And if you restore our rights to sue *anyone* for *anything* as long as loser pays – then we have recreated markets for goods and services (economy), markets for commons (government) and markets for punishment of irreciprocity in economy or commons (court). So the propertarian constitution focuses (“via-negativa”, meaning ‘by the negative”) on prohibiting falsehood and irreciprocity, rather than producing presumed ‘goods’.

    2) The propertarian constitution is structured as amendments to the Constitution of the United States (“CSA”), in order to preserve it as a “going concern”, so all debts and agreements private and public remain. This is to prevent world chaos and uncertainty.

    3) Our goal is to provide the ability of people with different cognitive biases and preferences to pursue their group’s interests and strategy but to prevent them from imposing upon others strategies. This is because as we have become wealthier we are not – as predicted – seeking the same things, but in fact, seeking very opposite things, and under the presumption that peace is only possible if all people have the right to self determination – at least by moving to bet near and with those who share it – as was the western tradition.

    4) Structurally it restores the original intent, which was a united states of Europe. In other words, to create a set of european states under a British system of common laws.

    In other words, just as the church had functioned as a weak federal government in Europe, they sought to create a secular weak federal government in America, with each State, as was common in the pre-unification german princedoms, the holy roman empire (most of Germanic Europe from 800ad to 1800’s), and all of european history, a set of states.

    However, they needed a federal government to unite enough people and resources to prevent european re-conquest of the american continent. And in the end the problem they had, that we do not have today, was the ability to print money as debt to themselves rather than use hard money.

    That may be confusing but it means that they needed a common defense when it was an era of hard (real) money, and there was no other way of paying for it. We don’t have that problem any longer.

    On the other hand, there is no reason for our federal government to do anything OTHER than fund a military that prevents creating of political competition on the continent.

    This limitation of the federal government’s AND the state’s powers is restored in our Propertarian Constitution.

    5) We restore this original intent of separate (‘several’) states, by (a) forcibly converting blue (immigrant) cities to city states, thereby depriving them of political influence over territorial states. This give Meritocratic masculine eugenic red, and equalitarian feminine dysgenic blue states the opportunity to produce commons according to their preferences. (b) preserving the supreme court, the military, and the Treasury, but devolving necessary services to the states, and shutting down unnecessary services – most of them. (c) Eliminating the house, and converting the senate to the sitting governors, and (d) severely limiting the powers of those governors, such that they can only conduct trades between the states. They cannot modify the constitution. There is no need to. If some group violates it, the court can make a finding that suppresses that violation. This is a purely via-negativa (via the negative) federal government. All positive government must be produced individually by the states.

    6) As such, regarding —“Who does get to vote?”— (a) there is no federal power, so there is no federal voting. (b) who votes and how they vote is up to the individual states. And we provide counsel as to the choices of decision making – voting being one of the choices. (b) all state constitutions must be approved by the supreme court – they must be truthful, reciprocal, and “calculable” – which I won’t explain here. (c) States do not have debts to the treasury All debts are allocated pro rata to the citizens of those states by the treasury. One can go bankrupt on any debt EXCEPT debts to the treasury. This makes it very difficult for ‘leftists’ to escape responsibility for their actions.

    7) As such, regarding —“2) Do we retain a representative republic? If not, what replaces it?”— We retain a representative senate consisting of the governors of the states but majoritarianism has no power. It is a purely economic government. In other words, governance (the production of commons) is completely separate from rule (the courts). As for the individual states, they can construct whatever order they wish within the terms set in the constitution, most of which I assume will retain some semblance of the democratic model. The states do not have control over citizenship. Those criteria are set out in the constitution – and if voting is to exist – it must be limited to citizens. And the standard is quite high.

    8)The primary defense is not the governmnet. It is the law and the market for suppression of falsehood and irreciprocity via the courts. The ‘wild west’ of saying whatever nonsense you want to citizens in order to get elected is over. The ‘wild west’ of the academy teaching pseudoscience is over.

    That’s the difference. Government is never the answer.

    The only answer is the law.

    The common law of sovereignty and reciprocity and testimony.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-13 15:54:00 UTC