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—-”What is the importance of bloodlines, or genetics, in determining people’s ethnicity?”—-
Good question.
Like many terms that we conflate and misuse out of ignorance, convenience, or attempted deceit, it’s simply too difficult to catalog everyone’s Race (genetic macro families), Ethnicity (genetic subrace, and tribe), Class(genetic, social), Status(economic), Normative(civic behavioral), Cultural (traditions), National (legal and institutional), and Religious(Mythological) properties.
Prior to the past century, not everyone, but nearly, everyone remained within waking distance for the full duration of their lives, and lacked images, movies, and encyclopedias – and now the internet, by which to learn about other than their near neighbors. So gene pools have been relatively close, and expanded with the geographic spread industrial revolution.
So ethnic, normative, cultural, national and religious differences were substantial around the world – and those differences have declined as the agrarian, industrial, technical, and informational revolutions have ameliorated our differences due to (a) finance, (b) legal contracts, (c) aristotelian science, and finally (d) the spread of english language as lingua franca (common language of science, business, law, and politics.)
Science creates categories, relations, and values that cause conceptual correspondence between the physical world, the social, and the internal world of the mind – creating not only an easier means of communicating across peoples, but one that corresponds most parsimoniously with reality, and as such is less open to ignorance, error, bias, and deceit. So the spread of Aristotelianism (which we can think of the religion of the upper middle and upper classes) has brought the world closer together in frames of refernce and methods of thinking.
We are not as able to achieve this same commensurability across genetic barriers. And we have not had time to find a way of discussing each other’s differences that is not in and of itself an exercise in dominance or the defense of it.
In all human relations someone in superior and someone inferior. This is always the case. And in most cases the relationship is reciprocal, and in some cases the relatoinship results in both being better despite their relatives statuses than they were without the other person.
And this is the problem because in a mixed peoples with many background and many status signal systems, the competition for status signals makes people extremely defensive of their admittedly weak positions – so they organize for and against different means of judging status and status signals, and establishing dominance and submission arrangements. (And don’t kid yourself, you aren’t even aware of how much of this your doing at every moment of ever social interaction.)
At present the ambitious peoples from world underclasses who have not had the 3500 years of ingroup development of northern europeans free of external competition, nor experienced the western invention of government without rule, the western tripartism and mutual responsibilities, the renaissance, the enlightenment, and the counter-enlighetnments by the french(rousseau), germans(kant/hegel) and jews (the pseudo-scientism of marx, freud, boaz, cantor, mises) and the second french counter-enligthenment (derrida thru rorty).
And at present the underclasses are fleeing the constraints of their primitive infrastructure, primitve, institutions, primitive norms and traditions, in order to move to those places where they are unburdend by those limits, but still posses the racial, ethnic, genetic, social, cultural, and religous limitations of those cultures – and are not willing to pay the price of conformity in order to enter more advanced cultures, nor pay the price of low status as they learn to conform to the more developed cultures.
So when we say “Ethnicity” we generally mean Race, Subrace, or Tribe, but because of Nationalism (the development of ethnic states that imposed language, cultural, religious and legal norms) we generally conflate National Origin, the culture, institutions and religions of that nation state, with Ethnicity (genetics).
Technically speaking, your ethnicity is genetic. your culture is your culture. And your state is your state of origin.
The problem is, that people have enough problems remembering the various countries, are totally ignorant of the regions within them, and even more so unaware of the vast distribution of races, subraces, tribes, and clans and the status that they hold in their local regions, that does not transfer to the new ones.
So we just lump people together under the best most polite term we can ‘ethnicity’ which generally means ‘different from me’.
I hope this helps. 😉
Cheers
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-importance-of-bloodlines-or-genetics-in-determining-peoples-ethnicity
—-”At what level of lightness of skin can a person be called a white person?”—
“White“ is a politically correct term in common use because Aryan (referring to the Yamna culture’s revolution in bronze, horse, and wheel in northern Ukraine and southern russia, and developing in Poland) is politically incorrect. They are, and northern europeans largely are, a genetic subrace, from whom western civilization’s rather unique values ( individual heroism, individualism sovereignty, contractualism, evolved prior to and during the bronze age collapse, and continues to influence western civilization today (despite marxist-socialist-postmodernist-feminist attempts to end it, and therefore make the west ‘like everyone else’: free of markets and meritocracy.)
So it’s only partly about skin color. It’s a subrace, and that subrace’s civilization. Either you are a member of these gene groups or your not ‘white’ (Caucasian, indo european, northern european (urals to spain), and you and your ancestors have not been through the same environmental pressures producing the same distributions of traits.
SIX SUB RACES – DIAGRAM OF WEST EURASIAN GENETIC CONTINUUMS

An albino Arab, African, Indian, or Han has white skin because of a defect in his genes. A caucasian, Anatolian, Levantine, Mesopotamian has black hair, slightly darker coloring, and usually less aquiline features. (notice how jews are a mixture of Mesopotamian, levantine, north semitic, and have increasingly been successful at incorporating european genes. Semites, both north and south have
An ethnic indo european has white skin, more aquiline features, and evolved under different evolutionary pressures from the others. We don’t really know why but white skin appears to have developed about 20K years ago, for what was likely both a reproductive desirability, the result of highly asymmetric reproduction by some peoples, and possibly (we don’t know) because it was advantageous in the low sun conditions along the edge of the glaciers during the ice age. However, whatever the reason it was an extremely desirable trait and spread quickly.
Continuing through our little tribal catalog An ethnic southern european is an anatolian from the southern branch of indo europe ans and has either black hair more anatolian features, and or swarthier skin. An ethnic south eastern european is a blend of the early people from the metal culture of the east black sea, and the peoples closer to russia. A northern european has very white, bordering on translucent skin, and we categorize as ‘white’ the same way we categorize africans as ‘black’. Of the white northern europeans (the other indo europeans from the northern branch are all extinct), we have atlantics who are a mixture of the first europeans and later europeans. The scandinavians who came slightly later. The celts who built the largest european civilization to date, and bisected the northern and southern ‘I’ peoples, for whom the souther are not extinct. The Germans proper who intermingled with atlantics and celts and scandinavians, producing high, middle, and low german peoples. We have dark haired slavs, and light haired slavs, and they are the whitest people to date, because they are the oldest and least outbred people, with the least genetic diversity to ‘correct’.
The fact is we use ‘White’ because the word ‘Aryan’ was prohibited after the world wars and the Yamna or Yama, and Kurgan are names of artifacts not names of self description. Although the more we learn from genetics and archaeology the more correct the term ‘Aryan’ and the concept of the Aryan culture, and ‘sub race’ is scientifically correct. although we shoujld probably label them north, south and east, because all three diverged and only northerners survived – the others integrated and went extinct.
It will just take another fifty years before we can say that without fear of shouting down by social justice warriors (marxist-socialist-postmodernists). 😉
https://www.quora.com/At-what-level-of-lightness-of-skin-can-a-person-be-called-a-white-person
YES, SINCE “RACE” AMOUNTS TO KIN AND FITNESS
But let’s look into this since Marxist – Postmodern pseudoscience has done such a wonderful job spreading falsehoods to the postwar generations.
All animals demonstrate both (a) kin selection bias (genetic persistence), (c) fitness bias (quality). Otherwise they would be evolutionary dead ends – and eventually die out.
Humans, who are reproductively indifferent from other animals, demonstrate both kin, and fitness bias. (And we can measure it).
Humans demonstrate every possible bias IMAGINABLE. With males less discriminatory than females, for obvious reasons of reproductive cost.
The differences between the races provide genetic(reproductie) class (social and reproductive, and economic/cooperative (social, reproductive, and economic) discretion of fitness. And yes, your race, subrace, tribal, and most of all genetic and social class, determine your reproductive value. (Attractiveness).
The differences between the races are largely pedomorphic (endocrinal and developmental.)
There is indeed a maximum degree of pedomorphism that humans find attractive, which appears to correlate with peak early fertility.
The races demonstrate different degrees of pedomorphism while retaining adult maximums.
Evolution has only so many inexpensive channels (series of mutually dependent genetic causal relations) to work with and the cheapest and fastest is that which controls rates and depths of maturity.
Asians have greater pedomorphism, but lower adult maximums. Whites have next greater pedomorphism but higher adult maximums. Northern europeans are about equally attractive across genders, slavs biased toward female, east asians toward female, and the rest of the world physically male, particularly Africans whose men are physically amazing, and the rest of the world is biased male (steppe and desert) or in the case of southeast asians, balanced with shallower but faster maturity. Although there is great variation within groups, the distribution tends to hold at the race, subrace, tribe and clan levels. (We can measure these things, however it’s pretty obvious to anyone who travels the world.)
So while every group has some more preferable traits among some of its members, and less preferable traits among other members, what is preferable remains constant across all peoples. And by and large, with universal demonstration, our reproductive social desirability produces a hierarchy of genetic, reproductive, social, intellectual, and economic distribution of races, tries, clans and classes.
However, this really amounts to *how successful has each race, subrace, tribe, and clan been at the elimination of its undesirables?* Because, painfully or not, that is what separates the most successful peoples (east asians and europeans) from the less successful peoples – which is evident not only in the distribution of morphological features, but in the distribution of behavioral and especially intellectual features.
We can develop more feminine or more masculine traits regardless of gender. And the different groups demonstrate greater or less pedomorphism, and gender bias in morphology and behavior. The subtler parts of cognitive differences and behavioral differences are subtle enough to identify but we lack the data and means of measurement to be more certain of them. Although most are identifiable in infants and toddlers regardless of where they are raised. Genes matter
DATA DOESN’T LIE. PEOPLE LOVE TO LIE. EQUALITY IS JUST ANOTHER ABRAHAMIC PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC LIE for the purpose of reversing evolution in favor of the underclasses, JUST AS ABRAHAMIC RELIGION WAS A LIE for the purpose of reversing evolution in favor of pastoralists.
The fact that we humans are marginally indifferent for the purposes of cross kin and class cooperation, does not mean we are equal in class or cross-class value to ourselves, one another, our polities, all polities, or the future of mankind.
The bottom is about five or six times as damaging as the top can compensate for. Which is why some countries cannot exit poverty.
Evolution is not kind. The universe cares nothing for us. We are a convenient accident in the galactic suburbs made possible by improbable coincidences and the tendency for life to form as yet another means of preventing entropy.
Each of us is more or less sensitive to differences, some of us temporal and some of us intertemporal. This sensitivity reflects reproductive differences in necessities and there mirrors largely the distribution of male and female brain structures, cognitive, and personality biases. Some people are simply more ‘discriminating’ than others are. Some’s discrimination is limited and some is broad. There are evolutionarily obvious reasons for the distribution of our sensitivity to differences. The least able less, the more able more. Because reproductively that’s necessary.
Some more discriminating about now and interpersonal frictions and opportunities, and some of us about intergenerational frictions and opportunities. And that is largely what demarcates political preferences, moral biases, personality traits, and brain structures.
Cheers.
https://www.quora.com/Do-animals-experience-racism
—-”What is the importance of bloodlines, or genetics, in determining people’s ethnicity?”—-
Good question.
Like many terms that we conflate and misuse out of ignorance, convenience, or attempted deceit, it’s simply too difficult to catalog everyone’s Race (genetic macro families), Ethnicity (genetic subrace, and tribe), Class(genetic, social), Status(economic), Normative(civic behavioral), Cultural (traditions), National (legal and institutional), and Religious(Mythological) properties.
Prior to the past century, not everyone, but nearly, everyone remained within waking distance for the full duration of their lives, and lacked images, movies, and encyclopedias – and now the internet, by which to learn about other than their near neighbors. So gene pools have been relatively close, and expanded with the geographic spread industrial revolution.
So ethnic, normative, cultural, national and religious differences were substantial around the world – and those differences have declined as the agrarian, industrial, technical, and informational revolutions have ameliorated our differences due to (a) finance, (b) legal contracts, (c) aristotelian science, and finally (d) the spread of english language as lingua franca (common language of science, business, law, and politics.)
Science creates categories, relations, and values that cause conceptual correspondence between the physical world, the social, and the internal world of the mind – creating not only an easier means of communicating across peoples, but one that corresponds most parsimoniously with reality, and as such is less open to ignorance, error, bias, and deceit. So the spread of Aristotelianism (which we can think of the religion of the upper middle and upper classes) has brought the world closer together in frames of refernce and methods of thinking.
We are not as able to achieve this same commensurability across genetic barriers. And we have not had time to find a way of discussing each other’s differences that is not in and of itself an exercise in dominance or the defense of it.
In all human relations someone in superior and someone inferior. This is always the case. And in most cases the relationship is reciprocal, and in some cases the relatoinship results in both being better despite their relatives statuses than they were without the other person.
And this is the problem because in a mixed peoples with many background and many status signal systems, the competition for status signals makes people extremely defensive of their admittedly weak positions – so they organize for and against different means of judging status and status signals, and establishing dominance and submission arrangements. (And don’t kid yourself, you aren’t even aware of how much of this your doing at every moment of ever social interaction.)
At present the ambitious peoples from world underclasses who have not had the 3500 years of ingroup development of northern europeans free of external competition, nor experienced the western invention of government without rule, the western tripartism and mutual responsibilities, the renaissance, the enlightenment, and the counter-enlighetnments by the french(rousseau), germans(kant/hegel) and jews (the pseudo-scientism of marx, freud, boaz, cantor, mises) and the second french counter-enligthenment (derrida thru rorty).
And at present the underclasses are fleeing the constraints of their primitive infrastructure, primitve, institutions, primitive norms and traditions, in order to move to those places where they are unburdend by those limits, but still posses the racial, ethnic, genetic, social, cultural, and religous limitations of those cultures – and are not willing to pay the price of conformity in order to enter more advanced cultures, nor pay the price of low status as they learn to conform to the more developed cultures.
So when we say “Ethnicity” we generally mean Race, Subrace, or Tribe, but because of Nationalism (the development of ethnic states that imposed language, cultural, religious and legal norms) we generally conflate National Origin, the culture, institutions and religions of that nation state, with Ethnicity (genetics).
Technically speaking, your ethnicity is genetic. your culture is your culture. And your state is your state of origin.
The problem is, that people have enough problems remembering the various countries, are totally ignorant of the regions within them, and even more so unaware of the vast distribution of races, subraces, tribes, and clans and the status that they hold in their local regions, that does not transfer to the new ones.
So we just lump people together under the best most polite term we can ‘ethnicity’ which generally means ‘different from me’.
I hope this helps. 😉
Cheers
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-importance-of-bloodlines-or-genetics-in-determining-peoples-ethnicity
—-”At what level of lightness of skin can a person be called a white person?”—
“White“ is a politically correct term in common use because Aryan (referring to the Yamna culture’s revolution in bronze, horse, and wheel in northern Ukraine and southern russia, and developing in Poland) is politically incorrect. They are, and northern europeans largely are, a genetic subrace, from whom western civilization’s rather unique values ( individual heroism, individualism sovereignty, contractualism, evolved prior to and during the bronze age collapse, and continues to influence western civilization today (despite marxist-socialist-postmodernist-feminist attempts to end it, and therefore make the west ‘like everyone else’: free of markets and meritocracy.)
So it’s only partly about skin color. It’s a subrace, and that subrace’s civilization. Either you are a member of these gene groups or your not ‘white’ (Caucasian, indo european, northern european (urals to spain), and you and your ancestors have not been through the same environmental pressures producing the same distributions of traits.
SIX SUB RACES – DIAGRAM OF WEST EURASIAN GENETIC CONTINUUMS

An albino Arab, African, Indian, or Han has white skin because of a defect in his genes. A caucasian, Anatolian, Levantine, Mesopotamian has black hair, slightly darker coloring, and usually less aquiline features. (notice how jews are a mixture of Mesopotamian, levantine, north semitic, and have increasingly been successful at incorporating european genes. Semites, both north and south have
An ethnic indo european has white skin, more aquiline features, and evolved under different evolutionary pressures from the others. We don’t really know why but white skin appears to have developed about 20K years ago, for what was likely both a reproductive desirability, the result of highly asymmetric reproduction by some peoples, and possibly (we don’t know) because it was advantageous in the low sun conditions along the edge of the glaciers during the ice age. However, whatever the reason it was an extremely desirable trait and spread quickly.
Continuing through our little tribal catalog An ethnic southern european is an anatolian from the southern branch of indo europe ans and has either black hair more anatolian features, and or swarthier skin. An ethnic south eastern european is a blend of the early people from the metal culture of the east black sea, and the peoples closer to russia. A northern european has very white, bordering on translucent skin, and we categorize as ‘white’ the same way we categorize africans as ‘black’. Of the white northern europeans (the other indo europeans from the northern branch are all extinct), we have atlantics who are a mixture of the first europeans and later europeans. The scandinavians who came slightly later. The celts who built the largest european civilization to date, and bisected the northern and southern ‘I’ peoples, for whom the souther are not extinct. The Germans proper who intermingled with atlantics and celts and scandinavians, producing high, middle, and low german peoples. We have dark haired slavs, and light haired slavs, and they are the whitest people to date, because they are the oldest and least outbred people, with the least genetic diversity to ‘correct’.
The fact is we use ‘White’ because the word ‘Aryan’ was prohibited after the world wars and the Yamna or Yama, and Kurgan are names of artifacts not names of self description. Although the more we learn from genetics and archaeology the more correct the term ‘Aryan’ and the concept of the Aryan culture, and ‘sub race’ is scientifically correct. although we shoujld probably label them north, south and east, because all three diverged and only northerners survived – the others integrated and went extinct.
It will just take another fifty years before we can say that without fear of shouting down by social justice warriors (marxist-socialist-postmodernists). 😉
https://www.quora.com/At-what-level-of-lightness-of-skin-can-a-person-be-called-a-white-person
YES, SINCE “RACE” AMOUNTS TO KIN AND FITNESS
But let’s look into this since Marxist – Postmodern pseudoscience has done such a wonderful job spreading falsehoods to the postwar generations.
All animals demonstrate both (a) kin selection bias (genetic persistence), (c) fitness bias (quality). Otherwise they would be evolutionary dead ends – and eventually die out.
Humans, who are reproductively indifferent from other animals, demonstrate both kin, and fitness bias. (And we can measure it).
Humans demonstrate every possible bias IMAGINABLE. With males less discriminatory than females, for obvious reasons of reproductive cost.
The differences between the races provide genetic(reproductie) class (social and reproductive, and economic/cooperative (social, reproductive, and economic) discretion of fitness. And yes, your race, subrace, tribal, and most of all genetic and social class, determine your reproductive value. (Attractiveness).
The differences between the races are largely pedomorphic (endocrinal and developmental.)
There is indeed a maximum degree of pedomorphism that humans find attractive, which appears to correlate with peak early fertility.
The races demonstrate different degrees of pedomorphism while retaining adult maximums.
Evolution has only so many inexpensive channels (series of mutually dependent genetic causal relations) to work with and the cheapest and fastest is that which controls rates and depths of maturity.
Asians have greater pedomorphism, but lower adult maximums. Whites have next greater pedomorphism but higher adult maximums. Northern europeans are about equally attractive across genders, slavs biased toward female, east asians toward female, and the rest of the world physically male, particularly Africans whose men are physically amazing, and the rest of the world is biased male (steppe and desert) or in the case of southeast asians, balanced with shallower but faster maturity. Although there is great variation within groups, the distribution tends to hold at the race, subrace, tribe and clan levels. (We can measure these things, however it’s pretty obvious to anyone who travels the world.)
So while every group has some more preferable traits among some of its members, and less preferable traits among other members, what is preferable remains constant across all peoples. And by and large, with universal demonstration, our reproductive social desirability produces a hierarchy of genetic, reproductive, social, intellectual, and economic distribution of races, tries, clans and classes.
However, this really amounts to *how successful has each race, subrace, tribe, and clan been at the elimination of its undesirables?* Because, painfully or not, that is what separates the most successful peoples (east asians and europeans) from the less successful peoples – which is evident not only in the distribution of morphological features, but in the distribution of behavioral and especially intellectual features.
We can develop more feminine or more masculine traits regardless of gender. And the different groups demonstrate greater or less pedomorphism, and gender bias in morphology and behavior. The subtler parts of cognitive differences and behavioral differences are subtle enough to identify but we lack the data and means of measurement to be more certain of them. Although most are identifiable in infants and toddlers regardless of where they are raised. Genes matter
DATA DOESN’T LIE. PEOPLE LOVE TO LIE. EQUALITY IS JUST ANOTHER ABRAHAMIC PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC LIE for the purpose of reversing evolution in favor of the underclasses, JUST AS ABRAHAMIC RELIGION WAS A LIE for the purpose of reversing evolution in favor of pastoralists.
The fact that we humans are marginally indifferent for the purposes of cross kin and class cooperation, does not mean we are equal in class or cross-class value to ourselves, one another, our polities, all polities, or the future of mankind.
The bottom is about five or six times as damaging as the top can compensate for. Which is why some countries cannot exit poverty.
Evolution is not kind. The universe cares nothing for us. We are a convenient accident in the galactic suburbs made possible by improbable coincidences and the tendency for life to form as yet another means of preventing entropy.
Each of us is more or less sensitive to differences, some of us temporal and some of us intertemporal. This sensitivity reflects reproductive differences in necessities and there mirrors largely the distribution of male and female brain structures, cognitive, and personality biases. Some people are simply more ‘discriminating’ than others are. Some’s discrimination is limited and some is broad. There are evolutionarily obvious reasons for the distribution of our sensitivity to differences. The least able less, the more able more. Because reproductively that’s necessary.
Some more discriminating about now and interpersonal frictions and opportunities, and some of us about intergenerational frictions and opportunities. And that is largely what demarcates political preferences, moral biases, personality traits, and brain structures.
Cheers.
https://www.quora.com/Do-animals-experience-racism