Theme: Decidability

  • We can persuade with lies. Persuasive ability has no bearing. The term you are l

    We can persuade with lies. Persuasive ability has no bearing. The term you are looking for is decidability.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-09-04 12:33:57 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1301861056487317505

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  • That would require your statement(assertion) is therefore meaningless (random, a

    That would require your statement(assertion) is therefore meaningless (random, ambiguous). In other words, you can’t make that assertion without depending upon it.

    Truth = Satisfaction of demand for infallibility in the context of the question we wish to decide.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-09-04 05:41:52 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1301757349401690112

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    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1301756250066214912

  • That would require your statement(assertion) is therefore meaningless (random, a

    That would require your statement(assertion) is therefore meaningless (random, ambiguous). In other words, you can’t make that assertion without depending upon it.

    Truth = Satisfaction of demand for infallibility in the context of the question we wish to decide.

    Reply addressees: @quken

  • PHILOSOPHY AND IDEOLOGY Technically speaking all **Paradigms** (ontologies) serv

    PHILOSOPHY AND IDEOLOGY

    Technically speaking all **Paradigms** (ontologies) serve as (relatively) coherent systems of measurement, decidability, choice, and preference given the information (knowledge) at our disposal.

    * *Decision: Measurement(existence) > Decidability (necessity) > Choice(agreement-time) > Preference (satisfaction-now) *

    **Philosophy** (like logic) is a widely abused (overgeneralized) term, because only Europeans invented and practiced rational philosophy under constraints of realism, naturalism, and testimony (empiricism) as investigatory and continuously adaptive rather than explanatory and static.

    Even such we divide european philosophy into Aristotelian (Testifiable, Empirical, Legal, Scientific) and Platonic (Ideal, Literary), and later Abrahamic Synthesis (Augustine, Acquinas) that tried to bridge semitic supernaturalism and European naturalism. And this distribution remains today as Anglo (legal, analytic) and Continental (literary, empathic). And our fundamentalists retain the Abrahamic Synthesis. As do jews and Muslims maintain their fundamental Abrahamism.

    The broader term that refers to the equivalent of European philosophy across all civilizations regardless of it’s composition (Aristotelian, Confucian, Platonic, Buddhist, Abrahamic, Hindu) is ‘**wisdom literature**’.

    So we label other society’s wisdom literature as ‘philosophy’ by analogy, but this a misapplication of the term. Instead, all civilizations had to, and did, produce a wisdom literature as a system of measurement that limited description, decision, choice, and preference to **coherence** with (or advancement of) the group’s survival (evolutionary, competitive) strategy.

    The structure and content of that wisdom literature was and remains dependent upon the **order of the development of civilizational institutions**.

    This is probably a lot to absorb, but there are only **three methods of coercing** humans: force threat or defense, material reward or lost opportunity, or social threat or social advancement.

    We develop systems of State (Bureaucracy), Social (religion), and Trade (Law) in some order. The difference in our means of persuasion – our ‘wisdom literature’ is dependent upon the order. With the last of the three developed the weakest or non existent.

    * *State(Bureacracy) using ****force**** <-> Law(Judiciary) using ****deprivation**** <-> Social(Religion) using ****ostracization***

    Just as Philosophy is an abused term, so is **law**. The west developed rule of law and politics. No other people produced law or politics. They produced command and rule. So there exists rule **OF** law, rule **BY** legislation, rule by tradition (religion, priests), and rule by regulation (bureaucracy), and rule by command (authority).

    * *Rule of Law <-> Rule by legislation <-> Rule by Tradition <-> Rule by Regulation <-> Rule by Command*

    **The west developed law first**, the state with Rome, and formal religion only with Xianity. The far east developed state and bureaucracy first and neither religion nor law. And the middle east developed religion first and state second and never law; The Jews developed religion and law but not state. Arabs religion and neither law nor state. And Indians religion and limited law and even more limited state.

    **PHILOSOPHY AND THE MIDDLE AND UPPER MIDDLE CLASSES**

    We use philosophy as the lowest order system of measurement – in an attempt to organize a **paradigm of decidability **within a given domain of questions. Once we have discovered it, and it is coherent with all other paradigms, under the paradigm of realism, naturalism, and operationalism – we call that a science.

    However, the sciences can only provide decidability (universally). They can only inform choice (between people). They can only inform preference (by the self). But we are faced with a kaleidic universe, limited personal abilities, limited energies, limited resources, limited knowledge, limited sexual, social, economic, and political market value, and the resulting limited relationships.

    What consistent paradigm of decidability will assist the individual, the family, the alliance, the organization, the class, the bias, and the polity or the civilization in maximizing the return on our time on this earth?

    That is the role of philosophy: choice.

    The role of science: decidabiilty (no choice)

    The role of the logics (measurement)

    The role of Argument (truth), Philosophy (choice), ideology (political power), theology (power), deceit (theft, fraud) each have their functions.

    **DEMOCRACY GIVES RISE TO IDEOLOGY**

    With the displacement of the aristocracy (limits on the people and the state), the decline of Church, Pulpit and Theology, the replacement of the Church with the (leftist) Academy, the rise of leftist pseudoscience, the rise of mass production, mass printing, mass radio and mass media, and the opening of the franchise to the unpropertied (unaccomplished), then we were faced with the problem of organizing a population to act to bring about policy changes.

    **The purpose of ideology is not coherence**, not consistency, not truth, but to motivate a population to bring about policy and political change

    What is the difference between ideological conquest in the modern world and theological conquest in the ancient world? There isn’t any. In the ancient world and in the modern world the technique is the same, with the justification switching from supernatural and sophomoric to pseudoscientific and sophomoric. In all cases ideology is a means of motivating those lacking the knowledge to decide, to grant power such that policy can be changed.

    Why? Representative democracy forces this behavior; the population is not capable of the knowledge necessary to choose; and the population is vulnerable to false promises of freedom from physical, natural and evolutionary laws – and there is no longer a short term constraint on political action by hard (commodity) money.

    Ideology is closely related to propaganda. propaganda to postmodernism. Postmodernism and propaganda to theology. And propaganda, postmodernism, and theology to the Abrahamic tradition of undermining populations from within.

    **PHILOSOPHY IN THE SPECTRUM OF HUMAN SPEECH**

    1. **Physical** Sciences: Descriptions of constant **physical** relations (causation)

    2. **Formal** sciences: Logics are systems of measurement of constant **symbolic** relations.

    3. **Behavioral** Sciences: Description of **operational** relations (incentives, actions)

    But what comes after these?

    **THE GRAMMARS**

    Think of **The Grammars** as a **Periodic Table of Speech**. This list is severely abbreviated but it will get the general idea across rather quickly.

    The Spectrum of Human **Faculties**:

    … Physical

    … Verbal

    … Intuitionistic (intuition, perception, emotion)

    Produces The Spectrum of Human **Communication**

    … Measurement (True)

    … Description

    … Communication (Honest)

    … Explanation

    … Fiction

    … Fictionalism (Dishonest)

    … Deceit

    … Denial (False)

    Produces The **GRAMMARS:**

    **Descriptions** (Testimonies)

    … Physical: **Physical** Sciences (physics, chemistry, biology)

    … Verbal: **Formal** Sciences (math logic-positions, set logic-inference, algorithmic logic-sequence)

    … Intuitionistic: **Behavioral** Sciences (language, psychology, sociology etc.)

    **Narrations** (Explanation, Communication)

    … Physical: Testimony (empirical)

    … Verbal: Ordinary Language

    … Intuitionistic: Storytelling, Narration

    **Fictions** (analogies)

    … Physical: History

    … Verbal: Literature

    … Intuitionistic: Mythology

    **Fictionalisms** (pretense of knowledge)

    … Physical: Magic to Pseudoscience to Pseudomath ==>Pseudoscience.

    … Verbal: Sophistry to Idealism to Philosophy ==> Philosophy

    … Intuitionistic: Occult to Religion to Theology ===> Theology

    **Deceits**

    … intuitionistic: Loading framing obscuring

    … verbal: Baiting into Hazard, (Marxist) Critique

    … physical: Fraud

    **Denials**

    … Intuitionistic: Avoidance(silence)

    … verbal: Evasion

    … physical: Denial


    Source date (UTC): 2020-09-01 00:41:00 UTC

  • Decidability differs from choice. I work up to cooperation. Not from its presump

    Decidability differs from choice. I work up to cooperation. Not from its presumption.

    Thats physics. First principles. Causality.

    Prevent the lies.

    You can work from other premises, they will not be necessities.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-08-26 14:32:17 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1298629342516449280

    Reply addressees: @TruthQuest11 @Nationalist7346

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1298410469066252288

  • Decidability differs from choice. I work up to cooperation. Not from its presump

    Decidability differs from choice. I work up to cooperation. Not from its presumption.

    Thats physics. First principles. Causality.

    Prevent the lies.

    You can work from other premises, they will not be necessities.

    Reply addressees: @TruthQuest11 @Nationalist7346

  • DECIDABILITY IS THE OPERATIONAL NAME FOR THE CAUSE OF FIRST PRINCIPLES Philosoph

    DECIDABILITY IS THE OPERATIONAL NAME FOR THE CAUSE OF FIRST PRINCIPLES

    Philosophers often talk about the difference between seeking first principles, and seeking fit, commensurability, untility, choices or preferences.

    —“A first principle is a basic proposition or assumption that cannot be deduced from any other proposition or assumption. In philosophy, first principles are from the First Cause method taught by Aristotelians, and nuanced versions of first principles are referred to as postulates by Kantians. In mathematics, first principles are referred to as axioms or postulates. In physics and other sciences, theoretical work is said to be from first principles, or “ab initio”, if it starts directly at the level of established science and does not make assumptions such as empirical model and parameter fitting.”—

    In propertarianism I call this the search for “decidability”. The point at which we can decide (must), versus choose (can), versus prefer (may). So in this sense, “decidabilty” is the operational definitino of ‘first principle”.

    In the examples above, first principles (decidability) in mathematics is provided by position in an order (positional names), adding(increasing) to or subtracting(decreasing) from a position in that order. To say that mathematics instead consists of axioms is only partly true. The axioms are logical consequences of positional names. As such they are variables, and only first principles. For example, ZFC axioms in mathematics are statemetns of set theory (ideals) not operations (reals).

    As I’ve written elsewhere, Kantianism is a psychological not operational system of thought in the german (conflationary) school of philosophy (and logic), versus the anglo analytic (depersonalized, or legal ) school of philosophy (logic), or what I suppose we should call today’s cognitive science or neural network school of logic – which is no longer philosophy but operational science. In Propertarianism I translate Kantianism’s apriori logic into formal logic.

    THE NEW AGE OF PHILOSOPHY
    So I would call the current era the Operational and Neural Network Age of Logic, leaving behind the second age of idealism (Platonism).

    What’s the problem with neural networks? We can’t introspect on them yet either (although we will).

    EVOLUTION FROM FIRST CAUSES:
    Myth: inter-Imaginary,
    Law: inter-personal, and
    Engeneering inter-physical
    … … … … … Play … Literature ->
    Mythology … History ————>
    … … … … .. Theology (myth+law) ->
    Law … Politics … Economics —>
    …. … … … Philosophy(law+math) ->
    … … … … … … … …. … ..Science ->
    Engineering … Mathematics —–>


    Source date (UTC): 2020-08-24 22:27:52 UTC

    Original post: https://gab.com/curtd/posts/104746717748472408

  • Boost of @curtd DECIDABILITY IS THE OPERATIONAL NAME FOR THE CAUSE OF FIRST PRIN

    Boost of @curtd DECIDABILITY IS THE OPERATIONAL NAME FOR THE CAUSE OF FIRST PRINCIPLES

    Philosophers often talk about the difference between seeking first principles, and seeking fit, commensurability, untility, choices or preferences.

    —“A first principle is a basic proposition or assumption that cannot be deduced from any other proposition or assumption. In philosophy, first principles are from the First Cause method taught by Aristotelians, and nuanced versions of first principles are referred to as postulates by Kantians. In mathematics, first principles are referred to as axioms or postulates. In physics and other sciences, theoretical work is said to be from first principles, or “ab initio”, if it starts directly at the level of established science and does not make assumptions such as empirical model and parameter fitting.”—

    In propertarianism I call this the search for “decidability”. The point at which we can decide (must), versus choose (can), versus prefer (may). So in this sense, “decidabilty” is the operational definitino of ‘first principle”.

    In the examples above, first principles (decidability) in mathematics is provided by position in an order (positional names), adding(increasing) to or subtracting(decreasing) from a position in that order. To say that mathematics instead consists of axioms is only partly true. The axioms are logical consequences of positional names. As such they are variables, and only first principles. For example, ZFC axioms in mathematics are statemetns of set theory (ideals) not operations (reals).

    As I’ve written elsewhere, Kantianism is a psychological not operational system of thought in the german (conflationary) school of philosophy (and logic), versus the anglo analytic (depersonalized, or legal ) school of philosophy (logic), or what I suppose we should call today’s cognitive science or neural network school of logic – which is no longer philosophy but operational science. In Propertarianism I translate Kantianism’s apriori logic into formal logic.

    THE NEW AGE OF PHILOSOPHY
    So I would call the current era the Operational and Neural Network Age of Logic, leaving behind the second age of idealism (Platonism).

    What’s the problem with neural networks? We can’t introspect on them yet either (although we will).

    EVOLUTION FROM FIRST CAUSES:
    Myth: inter-Imaginary,
    Law: inter-personal, and
    Engeneering inter-physical
    … … … … … Play … Literature ->
    Mythology … History ————>
    … … … … .. Theology (myth+law) ->
    Law … Politics … Economics —>
    …. … … … Philosophy(law+math) ->
    … … … … … … … …. … ..Science ->
    Engineering … Mathematics —–>


    Source date (UTC): 2020-08-24 22:27:52 UTC

    Original post: https://gab.com/curtd/posts/105752621694800353

  • At one end we reduce frictions of calculation of the UNKNOWN by limiting our cal

    At one end we reduce frictions of calculation of the UNKNOWN by limiting our calculations to those that are frictionless (markets). On the other we concentrate our calculation on the simple and KNOWN (war). And we seek stable equilibria between those two ends. (Its all we can do)


    Source date (UTC): 2020-08-21 18:29:49 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1296877179599564803

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    @TruthQuest11 Market systems calculate like physical and biological systems. They calculate the defeat of entropy – or at least self-replication by the capture of its energy. Language assists in negotiating calculations. That’s all we do: massive parallel computation of by trial and error.

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  • At one end we reduce frictions of calculation of the UNKNOWN by limiting our cal

    At one end we reduce frictions of calculation of the UNKNOWN by limiting our calculations to those that are frictionless (markets). On the other we concentrate our calculation on the simple and KNOWN (war). And we seek stable equilibria between those two ends. (Its all we can do)

    Reply addressees: @TruthQuest11