Theme: Class
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Western Man Does Not Ask The Capitalism Vs Socialism Question: It”s A Cosmopolitan Dichotomy.
WESTERN MAN DOES NOT ASK THE CAPITALISM VS SOCIALISM QUESTION: IT”S A COSMOPOLITAN DICHOTOMY. The question of capitalism vs socialism is not a western question – It’s a Cosmopolitan Question. Westerners have always been homogenous and therefore could afford to be communitarian but we have done so by tripartism: classes. The agrarian and industrial revolutions made it possible to shift vast numbers between the economic classes even if we maintained our genetic and social classes. The automation and information revolution is to some degree, reversing this trend. And the wealth made possible by that shift created the illusion of difference between the classes in ability, rather than in consumption. The western question is not capitalism vs communism. The western question is the limits of discretion. We have all preferred the results of aristocratic production of commons, as long as aristocracy limited itself to rule of law by natural law. We had only tradition, not science, to explain it to us. And we lacked the economics to measure it. We don’t any longer. So quite the opposite from what we intuit, we are in an even better position today to restore the optimum political order: a large number of monarchies competing for status and revenue produced by creating optimum markets to attract different distributions of classes of citizens. It is extremely difficult to produce a single poly economic order. It is very simple to produce a market for economic orders. The reason being that peoples with different abilities require different political orders. Hence my concern with what I call ‘nationalism’ or ‘homogeneity’. Meaning: people with common kin class and economic interests. -
Western Man Does Not Ask The Capitalism Vs Socialism Question: It”s A Cosmopolitan Dichotomy.
WESTERN MAN DOES NOT ASK THE CAPITALISM VS SOCIALISM QUESTION: IT”S A COSMOPOLITAN DICHOTOMY. The question of capitalism vs socialism is not a western question – It’s a Cosmopolitan Question. Westerners have always been homogenous and therefore could afford to be communitarian but we have done so by tripartism: classes. The agrarian and industrial revolutions made it possible to shift vast numbers between the economic classes even if we maintained our genetic and social classes. The automation and information revolution is to some degree, reversing this trend. And the wealth made possible by that shift created the illusion of difference between the classes in ability, rather than in consumption. The western question is not capitalism vs communism. The western question is the limits of discretion. We have all preferred the results of aristocratic production of commons, as long as aristocracy limited itself to rule of law by natural law. We had only tradition, not science, to explain it to us. And we lacked the economics to measure it. We don’t any longer. So quite the opposite from what we intuit, we are in an even better position today to restore the optimum political order: a large number of monarchies competing for status and revenue produced by creating optimum markets to attract different distributions of classes of citizens. It is extremely difficult to produce a single poly economic order. It is very simple to produce a market for economic orders. The reason being that peoples with different abilities require different political orders. Hence my concern with what I call ‘nationalism’ or ‘homogeneity’. Meaning: people with common kin class and economic interests. -
WESTERN MAN DOES NOT ASK THE CAPITALISM VS SOCIALISM QUESTION: IT”S A COSMOPOLIT
WESTERN MAN DOES NOT ASK THE CAPITALISM VS SOCIALISM QUESTION: IT”S A COSMOPOLITAN DICHOTOMY.
The question of capitalism vs socialism is not a western question – It’s a Cosmopolitan Question. Westerners have always been homogenous and therefore could afford to be communitarian but we have done so by tripartism: classes.
The agrarian and industrial revolutions made it possible to shift vast numbers between the economic classes even if we maintained our genetic and social classes. The automation and information revolution is to some degree, reversing this trend.
And the wealth made possible by that shift created the illusion of difference between the classes in ability, rather than in consumption.
The western question is not capitalism vs communism.
The western question is the limits of discretion. We have all preferred the results of aristocratic production of commons, as long as aristocracy limited itself to rule of law by natural law.
We had only tradition, not science, to explain it to us. And we lacked the economics to measure it.
We don’t any longer.
So quite the opposite from what we intuit, we are in an even better position today to restore the optimum political order: a large number of monarchies competing for status and revenue produced by creating optimum markets to attract different distributions of classes of citizens.
It is extremely difficult to produce a single poly economic order. It is very simple to produce a market for economic orders.
The reason being that peoples with different abilities require different political orders.
Hence my concern with what I call ‘nationalism’ or ‘homogeneity’. Meaning: people with common kin class and economic interests.
Source date (UTC): 2017-11-12 21:20:00 UTC
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“The origins of the Left and its core appeal I would still see in the sect of Pr
—“The origins of the Left and its core appeal I would still see in the sect of Progressive protestantism; it is a vision of humanity divided into elect / pure-of-heart pastors, leading the flock of the rest of us to the land of prosperity. This is what the progress is all about – to establish the millennial kingdom of God on earth. Opposing these pastors and sheep are the wolves and false leaders, henceforth the escalating religious fervour of the political debate as soon as the Left see the progress stalled in some way or the progressive sheepherders removed from the positions of power or their purity questioned. It is a FALSEHOOD to start with, but very attractive and persistent one.”—Igor Rogov Well, I would say the origins of the left are in Abrahamism in the ancient world, and it’s persistence in the medieval, and modern world. And that whether it’s supernatural, pseudo-rational, or pseudoscientific, is irrelevant. -
“The origins of the Left and its core appeal I would still see in the sect of Pr
—“The origins of the Left and its core appeal I would still see in the sect of Progressive protestantism; it is a vision of humanity divided into elect / pure-of-heart pastors, leading the flock of the rest of us to the land of prosperity. This is what the progress is all about – to establish the millennial kingdom of God on earth. Opposing these pastors and sheep are the wolves and false leaders, henceforth the escalating religious fervour of the political debate as soon as the Left see the progress stalled in some way or the progressive sheepherders removed from the positions of power or their purity questioned. It is a FALSEHOOD to start with, but very attractive and persistent one.”—Igor Rogov Well, I would say the origins of the left are in Abrahamism in the ancient world, and it’s persistence in the medieval, and modern world. And that whether it’s supernatural, pseudo-rational, or pseudoscientific, is irrelevant. -
“The origins of the Left and its core appeal I would still see in the sect of Pr
—“The origins of the Left and its core appeal I would still see in the sect of Progressive protestantism; it is a vision of humanity divided into elect / pure-of-heart pastors, leading the flock of the rest of us to the land of prosperity. This is what the progress is all about – to establish the millennial kingdom of God on earth.
Opposing these pastors and sheep are the wolves and false leaders, henceforth the escalating religious fervour of the political debate as soon as the Left see the progress stalled in some way or the progressive sheepherders removed from the positions of power or their purity questioned.
It is a FALSEHOOD to start with, but very attractive and persistent one.”—Igor Rogov
Well, I would say the origins of the left are in Abrahamism in the ancient world, and it’s persistence in the medieval, and modern world. And that whether it’s supernatural, pseudo-rational, or pseudoscientific, is irrelevant.
Source date (UTC): 2017-11-10 19:31:00 UTC
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Aristocratic, Market, And Serf Classes
—“The soviet model by the 1960s was a good one to live in.”— Agreed. Mostly. But by consumer standards not so much. By then the economies were going the opposite directions. By the 1960’s (actually ln the 1950s) it was very clear that the soviet economic model was not going to be competitive, and that the marxist argument was simply wrong about capitalism and its replacement. Hence why it has been abandoned the world over. Any country that has to imprison its people within its boundaries to stop them from fleeing is failing a test of government. Now, the failure of the transition (russians were not ready for it) and the evils of the bureaucracies (russian/ukrainian/belorussian) were preventable for certain. A managed transition to a mixed economy that preserved authoritarian sectors and liberated consumer sectors was necessary and possible. But if we talk to the people involved, (and we have lots of info on that these days) the problem was they just didn’t know what to do. This taught the Chinese what to do. They’re doing it. Now, russians are christian not confucian and despite the remains of mongolian political ethics, byzantine political ethics, and the (damned lack of ethics of the boyars, turks, and jews) this process is continuing. But russians NEVER EVER had a middle class. Ukrainians had a middle class until soviet conquest. Although like in russia, it was too often jewish and hostile to the native population. So the problem is replacing authoritarian bureacracy and authoritarian ethics incentives and levels of accountability with commercial incentives, ethics, and levels of accountabiilty. Especially in the JUDICIAL class – which itself must be commercial ethic. But not making the MISTAKE OF THE WEST and handing over the military, the political system, the industrial production, the agrarian production, and the infrastructure production to the middle class. You see that’s the issue. My understanding at this time is the same as it has been since 2013/2014. Putin misunderstood the ukrainian revolution as the simple want of the people to follow the polish model – a model which they are more capable of than the russians. So that they could get out of poverty. And that this was constructed by the conflict russian, ukrainian oligarch, and common people’s interests. And the common people won. Although it looks like they will have to let the russified generations die off before they can fix the country just like the germans have to let the russified people die off to fix east germany. So the transition is possible and the chinese are showing how to do it (gradually) by training a consumer, middle, and bureaucratic class while maintaining authoritarian classes (top), and socialist classes (bottom). My understanding is that the poor are better off under authoritarian schemes and everyone is better of if the ABLE classes are freed to pursue wealth in the service of CONSUMERS. So the military aristocracy must maintain control. But never, ever, ever give the middle(western) or lower classes (soviet) classes control of military, political, resource, industrial, and territorial assets. In other words, the ancient tripartism of white people was and remains the optimum method of political order. All monopoly orders are bad. We must have aristocratic, market, and serf economies because in fact we are genetically distributed as aristocracy, market, and serf classes. -
Aristocratic, Market, And Serf Classes
—“The soviet model by the 1960s was a good one to live in.”— Agreed. Mostly. But by consumer standards not so much. By then the economies were going the opposite directions. By the 1960’s (actually ln the 1950s) it was very clear that the soviet economic model was not going to be competitive, and that the marxist argument was simply wrong about capitalism and its replacement. Hence why it has been abandoned the world over. Any country that has to imprison its people within its boundaries to stop them from fleeing is failing a test of government. Now, the failure of the transition (russians were not ready for it) and the evils of the bureaucracies (russian/ukrainian/belorussian) were preventable for certain. A managed transition to a mixed economy that preserved authoritarian sectors and liberated consumer sectors was necessary and possible. But if we talk to the people involved, (and we have lots of info on that these days) the problem was they just didn’t know what to do. This taught the Chinese what to do. They’re doing it. Now, russians are christian not confucian and despite the remains of mongolian political ethics, byzantine political ethics, and the (damned lack of ethics of the boyars, turks, and jews) this process is continuing. But russians NEVER EVER had a middle class. Ukrainians had a middle class until soviet conquest. Although like in russia, it was too often jewish and hostile to the native population. So the problem is replacing authoritarian bureacracy and authoritarian ethics incentives and levels of accountability with commercial incentives, ethics, and levels of accountabiilty. Especially in the JUDICIAL class – which itself must be commercial ethic. But not making the MISTAKE OF THE WEST and handing over the military, the political system, the industrial production, the agrarian production, and the infrastructure production to the middle class. You see that’s the issue. My understanding at this time is the same as it has been since 2013/2014. Putin misunderstood the ukrainian revolution as the simple want of the people to follow the polish model – a model which they are more capable of than the russians. So that they could get out of poverty. And that this was constructed by the conflict russian, ukrainian oligarch, and common people’s interests. And the common people won. Although it looks like they will have to let the russified generations die off before they can fix the country just like the germans have to let the russified people die off to fix east germany. So the transition is possible and the chinese are showing how to do it (gradually) by training a consumer, middle, and bureaucratic class while maintaining authoritarian classes (top), and socialist classes (bottom). My understanding is that the poor are better off under authoritarian schemes and everyone is better of if the ABLE classes are freed to pursue wealth in the service of CONSUMERS. So the military aristocracy must maintain control. But never, ever, ever give the middle(western) or lower classes (soviet) classes control of military, political, resource, industrial, and territorial assets. In other words, the ancient tripartism of white people was and remains the optimum method of political order. All monopoly orders are bad. We must have aristocratic, market, and serf economies because in fact we are genetically distributed as aristocracy, market, and serf classes. -
ARISTOCRATIC, MARKET, AND SERF CLASSES —“The soviet model by the 1960s was a g
ARISTOCRATIC, MARKET, AND SERF CLASSES
—“The soviet model by the 1960s was a good one to live in.”—
Agreed. Mostly. But by consumer standards not so much. By then the economies were going the opposite directions. By the 1960’s (actually ln the 1950s) it was very clear that the soviet economic model was not going to be competitive, and that the marxist argument was simply wrong about capitalism and its replacement. Hence why it has been abandoned the world over.
Any country that has to imprison its people within its boundaries to stop them from fleeing is failing a test of government.
Now, the failure of the transition (russians were not ready for it) and the evils of the bureaucracies (russian/ukrainian/belorussian) were preventable for certain. A managed transition to a mixed economy that preserved authoritarian sectors and liberated consumer sectors was necessary and possible.
But if we talk to the people involved, (and we have lots of info on that these days) the problem was they just didn’t know what to do.
This taught the Chinese what to do. They’re doing it.
Now, russians are christian not confucian and despite the remains of mongolian political ethics, byzantine political ethics, and the (damned lack of ethics of the boyars, turks, and jews) this process is continuing.
But russians NEVER EVER had a middle class. Ukrainians had a middle class until soviet conquest. Although like in russia, it was too often jewish and hostile to the native population. So the problem is replacing authoritarian bureacracy and authoritarian ethics incentives and levels of accountability with commercial incentives, ethics, and levels of accountabiilty. Especially in the JUDICIAL class – which itself must be commercial ethic.
But not making the MISTAKE OF THE WEST and handing over the military, the political system, the industrial production, the agrarian production, and the infrastructure production to the middle class.
You see that’s the issue.
My understanding at this time is the same as it has been since 2013/2014. Putin misunderstood the ukrainian revolution as the simple want of the people to follow the polish model – a model which they are more capable of than the russians. So that they could get out of poverty. And that this was constructed by the conflict russian, ukrainian oligarch, and common people’s interests. And the common people won. Although it looks like they will have to let the russified generations die off before they can fix the country just like the germans have to let the russified people die off to fix east germany.
So the transition is possible and the chinese are showing how to do it (gradually) by training a consumer, middle, and bureaucratic class while maintaining authoritarian classes (top), and socialist classes (bottom).
My understanding is that the poor are better off under authoritarian schemes and everyone is better of if the ABLE classes are freed to pursue wealth in the service of CONSUMERS.
So the military aristocracy must maintain control. But never, ever, ever give the middle(western) or lower classes (soviet) classes control of military, political, resource, industrial, and territorial assets.
In other words, the ancient tripartism of white people was and remains the optimum method of political order. All monopoly orders are bad. We must have aristocratic, market, and serf economies because in fact we are genetically distributed as aristocracy, market, and serf classes.
Source date (UTC): 2017-11-09 10:09:00 UTC
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All philosophies are class philosophies. The question is which class philosophy
All philosophies are class philosophies. The question is which class philosophy produces the optimum externalities despite our consent with them. We do not consent with nature. We defeat it.