(thx skye stewart) [W]ell you know, this is one of those things that you are much better at than I: meaning. My problem is that while I can agree with that which he appreciates, (a) it is not reducible to law, and (b) it is not stated as science. So it’s somewhat like my criticism of Nietzche: these things carry meaning for those whose sentiments desire reinforcement and confirmation. But they do not provide decidability between that which we aristocratic and male people(K) prefer, and that which the proletarian and feminine people (r) prefer. So again, I see history as the evolution of argument from the platonic, to the rational, to the scientific to the ‘testimonial’. So people like Nietzsche and EVKL provide meaningful, inspirational, and confirmation of ideas, they don’t provide legal and scientific ideas that I can test or warranty as truthful. But they are still speaking in the language of religion. Not in the langue of reason. And not in the language of science. and not in the language of testimony. In my current thinking, the philosophy of the west is captured in natural law and common law and articulated as law – as prohibitions. and that our commons articulated in our heroism, arts, literature, material commons, and civic institutions, constitutes the positive (aesthetic) ambitions of our civilization. So I would say that just as children require fables and fairy tales, and youth require biographies and novels, and adults require inspiration and confirmation, and the wisest require require history and science, and today I would demand truthfulness in testimony. That we require these things to inspire us to positive action, so that we can justify our intuitions. But that tells us nothing about how to resolve differences with people who do not share those objectives. And in fact, it provides us with what are DEMONSTRABLY weak arguments with which to defend ourselves from the hyper-consumption of the socialists, feminists and postmoderns we call secular humanists. So I see the conservatives before me, other than perhaps Hayek, who correctly identified the law as the only source of liberty, as having failed precisely because they relied on perpetuating the language of religion that was with us during our great cultural formation in the middle ages. I might agree with Nietzche, and applaud his conflation of aesthetics with every branch of philosophy. I might agree with EVKL as a poet and preacher. But that tells me nothing. It teaches many. It informs many. It helps many FEEL less alienated. But it does nothing to empower us to overthrow that which alienates us today- by providing a decidable argument against dysgenic leftist parasitism. I see the greek truth struggling to survive amidst the babylonian, jewish and christian dogma used as a means of managing the illiterate masses, and finally succeeding with the anglo enlightenment and the printing press. So I would like to preserve the institution of the church, the pedagogy of the church, but using our pagan nature worshipping, ancestor worshipping, family worshipping, kin worshipping, testimony worshipping and therefore scientific culture exit all remnants of that mystical past. Including justificationary yet informative essays. So this isn’t a criticism or a disagreement with them, it is that they merely failed, because they did not know how to preserve meaningful poetic and literary persuasion while at the same time exiting the mysticism and romanticism of the past. We must build justification on top of SOMETHING that matters. We cannot justify THAT WHICH HAS ALREADY FAILED. I think truth and heroism are enough to build fable, myth, poetry, play, and narrative upon. I think that because underneath all the babylonian, jewish and Christian mysticism, that’s all that stands their waiting for us. Because that is all we used to build the west. Thank you for the wonderful question. -Curt Doolittle
Theme: Civilization
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The West Like The East Practices A Hierarchy of ‘Religions’ Scientific, Legal, Philosophical, Christian and Pagan
(sketch) [C]hristianity consists of Germanic, Mediterranean, Jewish, Egyptian, and Babylonian ideas. If you were to reduce the western ethic to the jeffersonian bible, and natural law, you would have the germanic elements of it. Indo european aristocracy is what separates the west from the rest. Christianity takes much too much credit for the success of Europe which is as much the product of aristocracy (distributed governance) and its dependence upon trade rather than direct organization of production and heavy taxation, as it was the church. The church was weak, and that was a good thing. It provided literacy, administration, status, and licensed the conquest of unbelievers or violators of the church, in a land where the production of outputs was fairly constant, but the rulership readily changed. It is not the church per se that troubles me, but the use of levantine mysticism instead of aristotelianism and stoicism. We mix our philosophers in every civilization: – Chinese use Sun Tzu, Confucius, Lao Tzu, and Mao, but call themselves buddhists. – Americans use Aristotle; Jesus, Peter and Paul; Smith, Hume, Jefferson, Hamilton and Paine, but call themselves christians. Socialists use their false prophets: the marxists, but call themselves atheists and scientific. – Germans use Aristotle, Kant… – French use their authors … – Muslims (judaism 2.0) reduce it to two books … It’s hard to dispute the success of Christianity: – (a) the church desperately worked to rebuild western civilization after the fall of the empire – even if it played a part in the destruction of western civilization itself. – (b) wherever christianity goes today, wealth follows (eventually), because of the extension of kin love and trust to non-kin. – (c) christianity somehow imbues us with idealism and this produces great thinkers. – (d) the institutionalization of kinship love, the extension of property rights to all and to women and the prohibition on cousin marriage were profound advances. I reduce post-medieval ‘scientific’ Christianity to a personal philosophy: – sovereignty (non-submission: each man is the master of his fate), – do no harm: respect property (property-en-toto), and; – chivalry (try to help everyone you possibly can), – paternalism (take personal responsibility for the various commons), – piety (humility and self skepticism as a defense against hubris; the love of all life; the requirement that we create beauty; and awe at the universe great and small). and combine that personal philosophy with a political philosophy: – natural law (universal law, necessary for mutual prosperity) – strict construction (not hermenuetic interpretation) – mono-logism (one logic of ethics, and many contractual adaptations) – universalism (if it is indeed true, then it is true for all men) In other words, a political philosophy of cooperation. And I view all other political models as a failure to solve the problem of politics (cooperation in the production of commons). Everything else is merely theatre. Not that theatre is not important. Theater is ritual, and rituals bind. The more expensive the rituals, the greater the binding. This vision of Christianity is a vision of the empowered. The vision of Christianity for the unempowered, and for the weak must be different. We can have multiple religions to achieve this, we can tell multiple narratives, or we can create multiple ‘saints’ (gods and heroes) for people with different needs to pray to, that symbolize different ends. I prefer: – sovereignty to submission; – prayer as request for will and wisdom from a hero whose soul (memory) lives on in all of us; – seasonal rituals celebrating life on earth rather than lives of prophets – worship of life, beauty, joy and friends, to salvation from suffering; – many gods for many different people to one god for all; – fairies, elves, dwarves, trolls, forests to angels and deserts. – the ancient temple to the medieval church; because one-ness, monopoly, and authority are cancers for the human mind and spirit. I am pretty certain of: – Mindfulness: – – buddhism for the feminine (defensive control of the impulsive mind) – – stoicism for the masculine (offensive discipline in furtherance of action) – western myths and fairy tales – truth telling as the most important normative commons we can construct. – grammar, rhetoric, logic, scientific method (testimonialism), economics, history, as producing higher return in current civilization than our current emphasis on abstract calculation which will soon be replaced by machinery. And the trouble in the modern era is: – these are masculine prophets and philosophers. Women in each civilization, not only ours, seek to restore the matrilineal order, parasitism and de-civilization, through the newfound power of the state. The only solution I can come up with is to make use of voluntary exchange between classes and to give women a house from which to negotiate those exchanges, rather than empower them through democracy to destroy civilization. Science is reversing a century and a half of feminist and socialist pseudoscience. But it is happening slowly. Whether too slowly is the open question. (I am still working on religion. so this is just my current thinking) Curt
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The West Like The East Practices A Hierarchy of ‘Religions’ Scientific, Legal, Philosophical, Christian and Pagan
(sketch) [C]hristianity consists of Germanic, Mediterranean, Jewish, Egyptian, and Babylonian ideas. If you were to reduce the western ethic to the jeffersonian bible, and natural law, you would have the germanic elements of it. Indo european aristocracy is what separates the west from the rest. Christianity takes much too much credit for the success of Europe which is as much the product of aristocracy (distributed governance) and its dependence upon trade rather than direct organization of production and heavy taxation, as it was the church. The church was weak, and that was a good thing. It provided literacy, administration, status, and licensed the conquest of unbelievers or violators of the church, in a land where the production of outputs was fairly constant, but the rulership readily changed. It is not the church per se that troubles me, but the use of levantine mysticism instead of aristotelianism and stoicism. We mix our philosophers in every civilization: – Chinese use Sun Tzu, Confucius, Lao Tzu, and Mao, but call themselves buddhists. – Americans use Aristotle; Jesus, Peter and Paul; Smith, Hume, Jefferson, Hamilton and Paine, but call themselves christians. Socialists use their false prophets: the marxists, but call themselves atheists and scientific. – Germans use Aristotle, Kant… – French use their authors … – Muslims (judaism 2.0) reduce it to two books … It’s hard to dispute the success of Christianity: – (a) the church desperately worked to rebuild western civilization after the fall of the empire – even if it played a part in the destruction of western civilization itself. – (b) wherever christianity goes today, wealth follows (eventually), because of the extension of kin love and trust to non-kin. – (c) christianity somehow imbues us with idealism and this produces great thinkers. – (d) the institutionalization of kinship love, the extension of property rights to all and to women and the prohibition on cousin marriage were profound advances. I reduce post-medieval ‘scientific’ Christianity to a personal philosophy: – sovereignty (non-submission: each man is the master of his fate), – do no harm: respect property (property-en-toto), and; – chivalry (try to help everyone you possibly can), – paternalism (take personal responsibility for the various commons), – piety (humility and self skepticism as a defense against hubris; the love of all life; the requirement that we create beauty; and awe at the universe great and small). and combine that personal philosophy with a political philosophy: – natural law (universal law, necessary for mutual prosperity) – strict construction (not hermenuetic interpretation) – mono-logism (one logic of ethics, and many contractual adaptations) – universalism (if it is indeed true, then it is true for all men) In other words, a political philosophy of cooperation. And I view all other political models as a failure to solve the problem of politics (cooperation in the production of commons). Everything else is merely theatre. Not that theatre is not important. Theater is ritual, and rituals bind. The more expensive the rituals, the greater the binding. This vision of Christianity is a vision of the empowered. The vision of Christianity for the unempowered, and for the weak must be different. We can have multiple religions to achieve this, we can tell multiple narratives, or we can create multiple ‘saints’ (gods and heroes) for people with different needs to pray to, that symbolize different ends. I prefer: – sovereignty to submission; – prayer as request for will and wisdom from a hero whose soul (memory) lives on in all of us; – seasonal rituals celebrating life on earth rather than lives of prophets – worship of life, beauty, joy and friends, to salvation from suffering; – many gods for many different people to one god for all; – fairies, elves, dwarves, trolls, forests to angels and deserts. – the ancient temple to the medieval church; because one-ness, monopoly, and authority are cancers for the human mind and spirit. I am pretty certain of: – Mindfulness: – – buddhism for the feminine (defensive control of the impulsive mind) – – stoicism for the masculine (offensive discipline in furtherance of action) – western myths and fairy tales – truth telling as the most important normative commons we can construct. – grammar, rhetoric, logic, scientific method (testimonialism), economics, history, as producing higher return in current civilization than our current emphasis on abstract calculation which will soon be replaced by machinery. And the trouble in the modern era is: – these are masculine prophets and philosophers. Women in each civilization, not only ours, seek to restore the matrilineal order, parasitism and de-civilization, through the newfound power of the state. The only solution I can come up with is to make use of voluntary exchange between classes and to give women a house from which to negotiate those exchanges, rather than empower them through democracy to destroy civilization. Science is reversing a century and a half of feminist and socialist pseudoscience. But it is happening slowly. Whether too slowly is the open question. (I am still working on religion. so this is just my current thinking) Curt
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Some groups are more successfully competitive through individualism and as such
Some groups are more successfully competitive through individualism and as such produce more objectively moral institutions.
Source date (UTC): 2015-11-07 08:28:20 UTC
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@curtdoolittle If immorality is more fruitfully incentivized than morality then it’s likely men will defect, given an imperfect world.
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We incentivize man to engage in productive rather than parasitic action. That is
We incentivize man to engage in productive rather than parasitic action. That is the history of civilization.
Source date (UTC): 2015-11-07 08:27:24 UTC
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@curtdoolittle If immorality is more fruitfully incentivized than morality then it’s likely men will defect, given an imperfect world.
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The history of man is the “incremental suppression of parasitism” (immorality),
The history of man is the “incremental suppression of parasitism” (immorality), allowing increasing numbers to cooperate.
Source date (UTC): 2015-11-07 08:06:47 UTC
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@curtdoolittle If immorality is more fruitfully incentivized than morality then it’s likely men will defect, given an imperfect world.
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IS NEO-REACTION? THREE POINTS. ( Hoppe is a german rationalist cum cosmopolitan,
http://freenortherner.com/2015/11/06/what-is-neoreaction/WHAT IS NEO-REACTION? THREE POINTS.
( Hoppe is a german rationalist cum cosmopolitan, yarvin/mencius is a cosmopolitan, and I am an anglo empiricist. This is not an opinion, but a statement of the method of argument employed. And the differences in our approaches demonstrate the weaknesses of the hermeneutic cosmopolitan, and german rationalist methods compared to the anglo empirical method.
In this response I try to hint at why propertarianism is very much part of the dark enlightenment, but post-NRx in the sense that it’s an empirical rather than rational or moral formation. )
Not that I mean to act as a critic, or to draw attention away from your excellent post, but you might need to add the third point in the first position.
THE FAILURE OF THE UTOPIAN CATHEDRAL’S RELIGION
First and foremost it is a criticism of the Cathedral Complex: Academy, State and Media, and the use of propaganda to perpetuate detrimental falsehoods.
I would argue that the criticism of the Cathedral Complex as a False Promise using deceit, pseudoscience, and propaganda, is the first principle of Neo-Reaction, and the most effective content in the neo-reactionary movement.
NEOCAMERALISM
NeoCameralism I agree with. The state is a corporation acting in the interests of its management and staff at the expense of the customers long term interest, by the constant sale of territorial, physical, cultural, and normative capital in exchange for short term consumption (r-selection). The problem is, how do we construct commons: territorial, physical, cultural, and normative while at the same time, eliminating the privatization of those commons that is the means by which the Academy, State, Media complex sustains and expands itself?
FORMALISM
Formalism attempts but fails to capture what one intuits in its use, which is why I’ve restated it in greater depth as a complete philosophical system
It is the failure of formalism (because the author is a hermeneuticist of the cosmopolitan jewish tradition) that prevents neo-reaction from institutional actionability. Unless expressible as law (the anglo analytic and empirical tradition) it must be propagated as religion using the same propaganda mechanisms that the cathedral complex relied upon, but without possessing either the assets of distribution or equalling the incentives that the cathedral promises. This is non-logical.
THE CRITICISM INFORMS US
In propertarianism and testimonialism I have created a formal system of thought that unifies biology, psychology, morality, sociology, philosophy, law, economics, and war into a formal logic (Formalism). Propertarianism inverts democracy to a market for commons between the classes, not dependent upon assent, but upon dissent: survival under universal standing under law. (prohibition on parasitic outcomes). A law which is made possible by the formal unification of the fields.
Small changes in the law – the constitution upon which laws are constructed – make a reactionary program possible. But in this case, it is not reactionary, but revolutionary – not restitution but reformation.
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine.
Source date (UTC): 2015-11-06 06:08:00 UTC
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We Can Restore Western Civilization. It’s Not Difficult. It’s Just Done At The Point Of A Gun.
Having a ‘Systematizing’ mind (which is a nice sounding term for an autistic and compulsive need for order in everything whether useful or not) mostly helps you find similar patterns in what were to most people are disconnected subjects. You can however, take this method too far, as most philosophers have, by trying to carry an analogy like a hammer that is looking for nails. And so I am very cautious about doing that. But fortunately or unfortunately, once you start to see how simple human behavior is, and how obfuscatory most of our language is – by conflating experience, action, observation and intention – it becomes clear that like most things man has discovered, the fundamental principles are quite simple.
Man acquires. Man cooperates because acquisition is dramatically superior when we cooperate. Man cheats. Because it improves his acquisition costs if he gets away with it. Man invests heavily in suppression of cheating in order to preserve the incentive to cooperate at every opportunity. Males evolved so that a group of brothers collected women and kept away competing males. Females evolved to keep the peace and to control alphas wherever possible – especially once men developed weapons such that betas could be rallied to suppress alphas. There are three ways of coercion and man specializes in them. As such we don’t develop a single class hierarchy, but we develop three, and whatever group is more useful at the moment leads while the others compete for leadership – the first time in history that the martial class has been out of power is the USA between 1963 and the present. Which hasn’t been very good for the west. Man justifies his negotiating position and ‘feels’ he speaks morally and justly when he does so, but this is only true if and only if cooperation with competitors is voluntarily produced so that each side must compromise. So majority rule is dysfunctional because it makes exchanges impossible. The virtue of the anglo model was that just as the private sector formed a market for the production of goods and services, the public sector formed a market for the production of commons. And they did that by exchanges between the houses: monarchy, nobility, middle class, and clergy. So upon enfranchising women, we did not create a separate house for them and their ‘special interests’ but because of their less diverse interests, they concentrated their forces with the minority of ‘cheating’ males, and incrementally destroyed western civilization. We can quite easily repair this process. But it is going to be done at the point of a gun, not by the moral judgement of women and their allies in the Cathedral complex. Curt Doolittle The Propertarian Institute Kiev, Ukraine -
We Can Restore Western Civilization. It’s Not Difficult. It’s Just Done At The Point Of A Gun.
Having a ‘Systematizing’ mind (which is a nice sounding term for an autistic and compulsive need for order in everything whether useful or not) mostly helps you find similar patterns in what were to most people are disconnected subjects. You can however, take this method too far, as most philosophers have, by trying to carry an analogy like a hammer that is looking for nails. And so I am very cautious about doing that. But fortunately or unfortunately, once you start to see how simple human behavior is, and how obfuscatory most of our language is – by conflating experience, action, observation and intention – it becomes clear that like most things man has discovered, the fundamental principles are quite simple.
Man acquires. Man cooperates because acquisition is dramatically superior when we cooperate. Man cheats. Because it improves his acquisition costs if he gets away with it. Man invests heavily in suppression of cheating in order to preserve the incentive to cooperate at every opportunity. Males evolved so that a group of brothers collected women and kept away competing males. Females evolved to keep the peace and to control alphas wherever possible – especially once men developed weapons such that betas could be rallied to suppress alphas. There are three ways of coercion and man specializes in them. As such we don’t develop a single class hierarchy, but we develop three, and whatever group is more useful at the moment leads while the others compete for leadership – the first time in history that the martial class has been out of power is the USA between 1963 and the present. Which hasn’t been very good for the west. Man justifies his negotiating position and ‘feels’ he speaks morally and justly when he does so, but this is only true if and only if cooperation with competitors is voluntarily produced so that each side must compromise. So majority rule is dysfunctional because it makes exchanges impossible. The virtue of the anglo model was that just as the private sector formed a market for the production of goods and services, the public sector formed a market for the production of commons. And they did that by exchanges between the houses: monarchy, nobility, middle class, and clergy. So upon enfranchising women, we did not create a separate house for them and their ‘special interests’ but because of their less diverse interests, they concentrated their forces with the minority of ‘cheating’ males, and incrementally destroyed western civilization. We can quite easily repair this process. But it is going to be done at the point of a gun, not by the moral judgement of women and their allies in the Cathedral complex. Curt Doolittle The Propertarian Institute Kiev, Ukraine -
Having a ‘Systematizing’ mind (which is a nice sounding term for an autistic and
Having a ‘Systematizing’ mind (which is a nice sounding term for an autistic and compulsive need for order in everything whether useful or not) mostly helps you find similar patterns in what were to most people are disconnected subjects.
You can however, take this method too far, as most philosophers have, by trying to carry an analogy like a hammer that is looking for nails. And so I am very cautious about doing that.
But fortunately or unfortunately, once you start to see how simple human behavior is, and how obfuscatory most of our language is – by conflating experience, action, observation and intention – it becomes clear that like most things man has discovered, the fundamental principles are quite simple.
Man acquires. Man cooperates because acquisition is dramatically superior when we cooperate. Man cheats. Because it improves his acquisition costs if he gets away with it. Man invests heavily in suppression of cheating in order to preserve the incentive to cooperate at every opportunity.
Males evolved so that a group of brothers collected women and kept away competing males. Females evolved to keep the peace and to control alphas wherever possible – especially once men developed weapons such that betas could be rallied to suppress alphas.
There are three ways of coercion and man specializes in them. As such we don’t develop a single class hierarchy, but we develop three, and whatever group is more useful at the moment leads while the others compete for leadership – the first time in history that the martial class has been out of power is the USA between 1963 and the present. Which hasn’t been very good for the west.
Man justifies his negotiating position and ‘feels’ he speaks morally and justly when he does so, but this is only true if and only if cooperation with competitors is voluntarily produced so that each side must compromise.
So majority rule is dysfunctional because it makes exchanges impossible. The virtue of the anglo model was that just as the private sector formed a market for the production of goods and services, the public sector formed a market for the production of commons. And they did that by exchanges between the houses: monarchy, nobility, middle class, and clergy.
So upon enfranchising women, we did not create a separate house for them and their ‘special interests’ but because of their less diverse interests, they concentrated their forces with the minority of ‘cheating’ males, and incrementally destroyed western civilization.
We can quite easily repair this process. But it is going to be done at the point of a gun, not by the moral judgement of women and their allies in the Cathedral complex.
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine
Source date (UTC): 2015-11-04 13:48:00 UTC