Nov 18, 2016 12:19pm If you go to a restaurant or club, or a shopping center in ukraine, or even a hotel lobby, their equivalent of ‘elevator music’ is a set of televisions, half of which are tuned to a series of fashion shows and the other half to soccer games. And that’s about all you see. this has a little bit to do with the difference in music: western music is theatrical (you’re sort of in church) and it’s supposed to entertain, whereas in that part of the world, it’s background for you and your friends to talk, drink, and kill an entire evening enjoying each other. Now you can make a youtube channel equivalent by just searching for and playing a stream of fashon shows. I did it by accident today since auto-play just keeps a stream going. But it reminds me of yet another of the vast differences I notice: Russians and Ukrainians live in a civil society. Americans live in school, academy, and consumer-church. We are over-told, over-sold, over-indoctrinated, over-fed, over-worked, over-isolated, and we’re fat, confused, and too many americans are lonely because of it. If I could go back in time and Kill Keynes it would be almost as valuable as going back and killing zoroaster.
Theme: Civilization
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The Orthodox Civil Society
Nov 18, 2016 12:19pm If you go to a restaurant or club, or a shopping center in ukraine, or even a hotel lobby, their equivalent of ‘elevator music’ is a set of televisions, half of which are tuned to a series of fashion shows and the other half to soccer games. And that’s about all you see. this has a little bit to do with the difference in music: western music is theatrical (you’re sort of in church) and it’s supposed to entertain, whereas in that part of the world, it’s background for you and your friends to talk, drink, and kill an entire evening enjoying each other. Now you can make a youtube channel equivalent by just searching for and playing a stream of fashon shows. I did it by accident today since auto-play just keeps a stream going. But it reminds me of yet another of the vast differences I notice: Russians and Ukrainians live in a civil society. Americans live in school, academy, and consumer-church. We are over-told, over-sold, over-indoctrinated, over-fed, over-worked, over-isolated, and we’re fat, confused, and too many americans are lonely because of it. If I could go back in time and Kill Keynes it would be almost as valuable as going back and killing zoroaster.
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To Be A European Is To Practice Paganism
Nov 18, 2016 3:07pm TO BE A EUROPEAN IS TO PRACTICE PAGANISM: 1 – Aristotelian Reason, Science, and Truth (science) 2 – English, Roman, and Stoic Natural Law (law) 3 – The Lives of the Great Men (history) 4 – The Literature of the Great Books (literature) 5 – The Ideas of the Great Philosophers (philosophy) 6 – The Parables of the Saints and Prophets (religion) 7 – The Myths and Legends of Pagan Warriors (myth) We have always been, and always will be, a PAGAN people. We permit no conflation. Because any conflation breeds a monopoly. And we permit no monopoly. Becuase we are the people who practice sovereignty. And sovereignty can exist only under markets, not monopoly. And the secular socialist state seeks to deprive us of sovereignty by delivering us to monopoly.
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To Be A European Is To Practice Paganism
Nov 18, 2016 3:07pm TO BE A EUROPEAN IS TO PRACTICE PAGANISM: 1 – Aristotelian Reason, Science, and Truth (science) 2 – English, Roman, and Stoic Natural Law (law) 3 – The Lives of the Great Men (history) 4 – The Literature of the Great Books (literature) 5 – The Ideas of the Great Philosophers (philosophy) 6 – The Parables of the Saints and Prophets (religion) 7 – The Myths and Legends of Pagan Warriors (myth) We have always been, and always will be, a PAGAN people. We permit no conflation. Because any conflation breeds a monopoly. And we permit no monopoly. Becuase we are the people who practice sovereignty. And sovereignty can exist only under markets, not monopoly. And the secular socialist state seeks to deprive us of sovereignty by delivering us to monopoly.
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European Deconflationary Paganism
European Paganism Consists of Different Forms Of Reasoning PRECISE CASES (Deciding Class) Science Law` Biography GENERAL RULES (Organizing Classes) History Literature Philosophy BROAD ANALOGIES (Working Classes) Religion Myth Superstition
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European Deconflationary Paganism
European Paganism Consists of Different Forms Of Reasoning PRECISE CASES (Deciding Class) Science Law` Biography GENERAL RULES (Organizing Classes) History Literature Philosophy BROAD ANALOGIES (Working Classes) Religion Myth Superstition
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The Future of Religion
JOSLIN AND DOOLITTLE ON THE FUTURE OF RELIGION Curt: I think that the notion of religion in the archaic sense, is probably done forever except for the ‘stupid people’. And just as the current state religion is democratic pseudoscientific, secular, humanism, any replacement religion will require a narrative and inspirational (transcendent or accommodating) that is even more modern. So my argument would be more to focus on festivals and certification rituals, and education, and simply revert to our traditional myths as the basis for our narratives.
Bill Joslin: I see. Through social rituals and narratives mythos is restored without the need for it to be a conceptual frame for reality. We profit from social function but isolate away the potential for deception-fraud… loose coupling (programming reference) of logos and mythos. That is brilliant. Curt: Bingo. -
The Future of Religion
JOSLIN AND DOOLITTLE ON THE FUTURE OF RELIGION Curt: I think that the notion of religion in the archaic sense, is probably done forever except for the ‘stupid people’. And just as the current state religion is democratic pseudoscientific, secular, humanism, any replacement religion will require a narrative and inspirational (transcendent or accommodating) that is even more modern. So my argument would be more to focus on festivals and certification rituals, and education, and simply revert to our traditional myths as the basis for our narratives.
Bill Joslin: I see. Through social rituals and narratives mythos is restored without the need for it to be a conceptual frame for reality. We profit from social function but isolate away the potential for deception-fraud… loose coupling (programming reference) of logos and mythos. That is brilliant. Curt: Bingo. -
Cultural Differences
CURT AND MURRAY SELL ON CULTURAL DIFFERENCES —“The Chinese [primary method of decidability] is stability – [non-conflict]. Chinese history is tumultuous so everything must be done in the name of maintaining equilibrium and stability in the nation state(which is seen as a collective entity). The American [primary method of decidability] (until very recently) is reason – [negotiation]. Maintaining that people will ultimately do what’s right for themselves in the end and will act in their own self interests.
(CURT INTERJECTS: Chinese prevent conflict through denial, delay, and deceit. westerners attempt to expose conflicts and resolve them quickly. europeans regulate heavily to prevent legal conflicts later. Americans provide very precise legal rules so that limited regulation is necessary except in those cases where the exceptions have failed. These are three methods of insurance against conflict. The Chinese delay and deceive and deny until ‘matters solve themselves’. The continental method of regulate in order to limit conflicts. And the anglo method: provide clear rule of law so that those conflicts that do arise are decidable.) It’s probably why our greatest weapon has been unleashing chaos into societies (weaponized culture)in order to drive events in a way that serve America’s greater interests. (CURT INTERJECTS: Americans have followed the anglo enlightenment, peace of Westphalia(States are responsible for all agents within), and Postwar Consensus (human rights and fixed borders), that the world will remain peaceful through economic cooperation rather than territorial expansion. So americans seek to raise in to ‘adulthood’ every nation, so that it can participate in a meritocratic international market. This is ok, except that every nation may not have the human capital to compete successfully, and may try to circumvent that meritocratic competition by other means (islam).) I feel like this idea failed with the Middle Eastern destabilization program of the obama administration. The realization that people are literally wired differently from the western mind I feel is a revelatory moment of catharsis for western neoliberal thinkers. Universalism is a generic lazy way of seeing collective groups of people on earth. I have watched lectures on YouTube from the army war college stating that it doesn’t really matter if we technically “lose” wars with other nation states (fail to hold territory). As long as we utterly destroy your nation and knock it back a century in its progress we have technically won against our opponent because they can’t develop a civilization strong enough to challenge us on our own territory. The third world is aware of this and some folks theorize that we are in a multigenerational asymmetric conflict with the devolving world using our own principles and mass migration (another form of warfare) against us…”— Murray Sell (CURT INTERJECTS: agreed) -
Cultural Differences
CURT AND MURRAY SELL ON CULTURAL DIFFERENCES —“The Chinese [primary method of decidability] is stability – [non-conflict]. Chinese history is tumultuous so everything must be done in the name of maintaining equilibrium and stability in the nation state(which is seen as a collective entity). The American [primary method of decidability] (until very recently) is reason – [negotiation]. Maintaining that people will ultimately do what’s right for themselves in the end and will act in their own self interests.
(CURT INTERJECTS: Chinese prevent conflict through denial, delay, and deceit. westerners attempt to expose conflicts and resolve them quickly. europeans regulate heavily to prevent legal conflicts later. Americans provide very precise legal rules so that limited regulation is necessary except in those cases where the exceptions have failed. These are three methods of insurance against conflict. The Chinese delay and deceive and deny until ‘matters solve themselves’. The continental method of regulate in order to limit conflicts. And the anglo method: provide clear rule of law so that those conflicts that do arise are decidable.) It’s probably why our greatest weapon has been unleashing chaos into societies (weaponized culture)in order to drive events in a way that serve America’s greater interests. (CURT INTERJECTS: Americans have followed the anglo enlightenment, peace of Westphalia(States are responsible for all agents within), and Postwar Consensus (human rights and fixed borders), that the world will remain peaceful through economic cooperation rather than territorial expansion. So americans seek to raise in to ‘adulthood’ every nation, so that it can participate in a meritocratic international market. This is ok, except that every nation may not have the human capital to compete successfully, and may try to circumvent that meritocratic competition by other means (islam).) I feel like this idea failed with the Middle Eastern destabilization program of the obama administration. The realization that people are literally wired differently from the western mind I feel is a revelatory moment of catharsis for western neoliberal thinkers. Universalism is a generic lazy way of seeing collective groups of people on earth. I have watched lectures on YouTube from the army war college stating that it doesn’t really matter if we technically “lose” wars with other nation states (fail to hold territory). As long as we utterly destroy your nation and knock it back a century in its progress we have technically won against our opponent because they can’t develop a civilization strong enough to challenge us on our own territory. The third world is aware of this and some folks theorize that we are in a multigenerational asymmetric conflict with the devolving world using our own principles and mass migration (another form of warfare) against us…”— Murray Sell (CURT INTERJECTS: agreed)