In the end Petersen working on self help – or self correction (direct) at one end of the spectrum and I’m working on systemic help – or systemic correction (indirect) at the other end of the spectrum. He’s teaching and I’m governing. Via positiva, via negativa.
I made this similar argument about Mises vs Hayek, and I could easily make the argument about Spencer vs Nietzsche.
I could make the same argument between Marx and Keynes.
Hayek spent his whole life coming to the same conclusion I have, by almost exactly the same sequence.
individual training is extremely expensive but collective (systemic) training is cheap and most effective. And the single most effective means of training is the continuous evolution of the single law of reciprocity that we call the law.
People will self justify anything and everything at all times.
People cannot self-justify their way out of law. Legislation, and morality yes, but law no. They must act in accordance with it.
The brain gives us reward for the number of free associations generated by any given set of relations. It literally feels good for the neural economy to prune and grow – identifying more possibilities…. more IMAGINATION, and therefore more opportunity. And it is opportunity-generation that is the value of memory.
This is one of the reasons we able to empathize, extend trust, suspend disbelief, and accept new information from storytelling uncritically via suggestion the by the same process we imitate others through observation and imitation. (if you can connect those processes it will help you understand.)
But we are suggestible by observation and by storytelling just as we are suggestible by acting in the environment – hence metaphysical value judgements that we intuit but do not know we know.
Observation and storytelling are much cheaper than action. Literature/experience and philosophy/argument are cheaper than science/engineering, because emotions, thought, and action describe a sequence of costs.
As it must be for any creature that decides action using memory.
Theme: Agency
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Peterson’s Mission Vs Doolittle’s Mission
In the end Petersen working on self help – or self correction (direct) at one end of the spectrum and I’m working on systemic help – or systemic correction (indirect) at the other end of the spectrum. He’s teaching and I’m governing. Via positiva, via negativa. I made this similar argument about Mises vs Hayek, and I could easily make the argument about Spencer vs Nietzsche. I could make the same argument between Marx and Keynes. Hayek spent his whole life coming to the same conclusion I have, by almost exactly the same sequence. individual training is extremely expensive but collective (systemic) training is cheap and most effective. And the single most effective means of training is the continuous evolution of the single law of reciprocity that we call the law. People will self justify anything and everything at all times. People cannot self-justify their way out of law. Legislation, and morality yes, but law no. They must act in accordance with it. The brain gives us reward for the number of free associations generated by any given set of relations. It literally feels good for the neural economy to prune and grow – identifying more possibilities…. more IMAGINATION, and therefore more opportunity. And it is opportunity-generation that is the value of memory. This is one of the reasons we able to empathize, extend trust, suspend disbelief, and accept new information from storytelling uncritically via suggestion the by the same process we imitate others through observation and imitation. (if you can connect those processes it will help you understand.) But we are suggestible by observation and by storytelling just as we are suggestible by acting in the environment – hence metaphysical value judgements that we intuit but do not know we know. Observation and storytelling are much cheaper than action. Literature/experience and philosophy/argument are cheaper than science/engineering, because emotions, thought, and action describe a sequence of costs. As it must be for any creature that decides action using memory. -
PETERSON’S MISSION VS DOOLITTLE’S MISSION In the end Petersen working on self he
PETERSON’S MISSION VS DOOLITTLE’S MISSION
In the end Petersen working on self help – or self correction (direct) at one end of the spectrum and I’m working on systemic help – or systemic correction (indirect) at the other end of the spectrum. He’s teaching and I’m governing. Via positiva, via negativa.
I made this similar argument about Mises vs Hayek, and I could easily make the argument about Spencer vs Nietzsche.
I could make the same argument between Marx and Keynes.
Hayek spent his whole life coming to the same conclusion I have, by almost exactly the same sequence.
individual training is extremely expensive but collective (systemic) training is cheap and most effective. And the single most effective means of training is the continuous evolution of the single law of reciprocity that we call the law.
People will self justify anything and everything at all times.
People cannot self-justify their way out of law. Legislation, and morality yes, but law no. They must act in accordance with it.
The brain gives us reward for the number of free associations generated by any given set of relations. It literally feels good for the neural economy to prune and grow – identifying more possibilities…. more IMAGINATION, and therefore more opportunity. And it is opportunity-generation that is the value of memory.
This is one of the reasons we able to empathize, extend trust, suspend disbelief, and accept new information from storytelling uncritically via suggestion the by the same process we imitate others through observation and imitation. (if you can connect those processes it will help you understand.)
But we are suggestible by observation and by storytelling just as we are suggestible by acting in the environment – hence metaphysical value judgements that we intuit but do not know we know.
Observation and storytelling are much cheaper than action. Literature/experience and philosophy/argument are cheaper than science/engineering, because emotions, thought, and action describe a sequence of costs.
As it must be for any creature that decides action using memory.
Source date (UTC): 2018-03-07 06:59:00 UTC
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Truth Proper provides agency, while comforting falsehoods, no matter how enjoyab
Truth Proper provides agency, while comforting falsehoods, no matter how enjoyable merely make us feel false satisfaction for failing to create agency.
Source date (UTC): 2018-03-06 21:03:10 UTC
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I can even explain why you are drawn to and defend such ideas – with trivial eas
I can even explain why you are drawn to and defend such ideas – with trivial ease. We have, in each era, advanced our condition, so that you have the luxury of such self entertainment, precisely by the same advances in the physical and economic world, as I state in the cognitive.
Source date (UTC): 2018-03-06 21:01:23 UTC
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@No2Sovereignty @HeritageNLegacy @LueYee @JWilliamXIII There is zero difficulty ‘squaring’ human existence with physics. It’s not absurd at all. Its tediously simple. Art and Beauty are also trivial to explain. To say that knowing alone denies us the emotional rewards of loading and framing is certain. But not inexplicable.
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@No2Sovereignty @HeritageNLegacy @LueYee @JWilliamXIII There is zero difficulty ‘squaring’ human existence with physics. It’s not absurd at all. Its tediously simple. Art and Beauty are also trivial to explain. To say that knowing alone denies us the emotional rewards of loading and framing is certain. But not inexplicable.
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That’s simply not true. All of human life is explicable is trivially simple form
That’s simply not true. All of human life is explicable is trivially simple form (I have done it). What is complex is all the lies, deceits, and fairly tales we tell to ‘cheat’ upon that simplicity.
Source date (UTC): 2018-03-06 17:47:34 UTC
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All of our narrative fantasies are just human bird song: the attempt to attract
All of our narrative fantasies are just human bird song: the attempt to attract status, friends, and mates – and nothing more. -
All of our narrative fantasies are just human bird song: the attempt to attract
All of our narrative fantasies are just human bird song: the attempt to attract status, friends, and mates – and nothing more. -
All of our narrative fantasies are just human bird song: the attempt to attract
All of our narrative fantasies are just human bird song: the attempt to attract status, friends, and mates – and nothing more.
Source date (UTC): 2018-03-06 16:11:00 UTC
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Teaching And The Role Of Narrative
My understanding is that what I term ‘mindfulness’ (mental and emotional agency) can be obtained by making use of animal sentiments thru age seven, and that we can teach logic, and grammar of language, logic and grammar of measurement (math), logic and grammar of physics (science), and logic and grammar of ethics:, propertarianism, and testimonialism. And if we do that then we will achieve in both personal mindfulness, social mindfulness, and politics, what we have achieved in mathematics and the physical sciences. There is no difference between the different grammars except the range of operations (permutations) available at different scales. Reading and Math are terribly unnatural. Cooperation is NOT. That people cannot imagine a developmental evolution that they cannot find commensurable with their own experience is simply a limitation of the individuals making that assessment. There is absolutely no reason that we cannot teach calculative means of solving problems of cooperation, rather than literary means. This reduces the use of narrative to a series of ‘word problems’ we can empathize with. if you can grok this then you’ll see how profound an innovation in the logics and grammars of continuous disambiguation and calculation that we call thought are propertarianism, testimonialism, and operationalism. The same evolutionary leaps of mathematics and reason in the ancient world, and science and empiricism in the modern world, can be achieved in cooperation and operationalism in the present. The problem is that each of us has problem saying something other than ‘well it worked for me because’ rather than ‘I was able to get here despite the way I was taught’. People are ‘hooked’ on the mythic and fictional narrative for the same reason they were hooked on and could not envision a world under the arbitrary discretion of a fictional god. They were wrong in the late medieval world, and they are wrong in the present world. Cheers.