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  • What’s the Difference Beween Yarvin’s Nrx and Propertarianism?

    Oct 10, 2019, 10:37 PM (notes from an interview) 1) WHAT IS PROPERTARIANISM We tend to think in terms of ideological “-isms” which are loose proposals for political orders. Propertarianism is on the scale of aristotelianism, empiricism and the empirical revolution, science and the scientific revolution, in that it’s a system of measurement for the human sciences. So if I ask you to describe what we achieved with the Aristotelian, empirical, and scientific revolutions, you would have to cover a host of topics. Aristotle applied his system of thought to all the philosophical categories. Well, propertarianism is just like that. It’s a very big thing. So we have to break it down into parts to understand something that big.

    1. Propertarianism consists of the completion of the Scientific Method, by extending it to language(metaphysics), the psychological and social sciences(ethics and politics).

    That scientific method is then applied to the totality of human knowledge – meaning every discipline. The result is a universally commensurable, value neutral, vocabulary and logic of language and the psychological and social sciences that at least most of the time, is most similar to the language of economics. Then we restate the natural common law of tort in that logic and vocabulary. Then we use that law to write Constitutions of strictly constructed Natural Law, closed to interpretation. The principle innovation is to (a) close constitutions to circumvention by ‘interpretation’, and (b) extend involuntary warranty of due diligence and subsequent liability from commercial to political speech. (c) solve the common problems of the day through policy. You’d think this isn’t possible but it is. We can test whether speech is truthful and reciprocal. Really. We can. (Seriously). The purpose of these increases in precision of the constitution is reversal the second conquest of civilization – first by the abrahamic religions and now by their pseudoscientific and sophomoric modern versions in boaz, marx, freud, the frankfurt school, feminism, and postmodernism – by the eradication of superstition, pseudoscience, sophism, fraud, and deceit from the commercial, financial, economic, political, and informational commons. That constitution contains a basic structure for the uniqueness of western civilization’s member polities, reversing the tribalism being brought back into our civilization by the enemy, but with increasingly severe terms if our demands are not met. In other words, the initial conditions eradicate leftism forever and reform every aspect of our lives by eradicating all parasitism in all forms – especially financial, political, economic, and academic. So we begin with an acceptable settlement for all and end with an imposition, punishment, and forced relocation if it isn’t met. 2) WHAT COMMONALITIES DOES PROPERTARIANISM SHARE WITH NRX & WHAT ARE THE KEY DIFFERENCES? We are all libertarians of one stripe or another resisting denial of our ability to creatively improve or experience our lives. But all of us bring our group morals, our group strategy, and the means of arguing our group morals and strategy. Rothbard speaks Jewish middle class ambitions in Jewish Pilpul(sophism) and Yarvin in jewish middle class ambitions using critique (criticism) in continental prose, Hoppe in middle class ambitions and his free cities in silly Kantian rationalism, and Doolittle middle class ambitions in science law and the British empire. Likewise we all take something from christian and jewish branches of Austrian economics. I’m anglo so I treat it as the economics of rule of law – which is where hayek ended up as well. This is partly because the three extremes of economic analysis are

    1. The Jewish Ukrainian/Russian of the pale, previously called jewish economics, but which we now call Austrian or at least Misesian and their amoral ethics. of separatists. As with all separatist strategy it ignores common property necessary for land holding people.
    2. The Christian Austrian which is just rule of law – meaning social science, of aristocratic governance of many disparate polities, where commons are produced locally.
    3. The classical liberal hayekian, we call classical liberalism of the aristocracy of an homogenous people that minimize the production of commons and maximize the private.
    4. and the keynesian continental democratic socialist interpretation of marx, the maximize commons and minimize the private.

    So, no commons(Jewish), local commons(Austrian empire), limited commons(British empire) and majority commons(socialist majority of europe). So it’s perhaps more useful to use a descriptive name for austrian economics and call it rule of law economics or just the logic of – ‘social science’. To call classical liberal, hayekian, and Friedman (chicago) economics as fiat currency economics under rule of law; and to call keyesian economics as insured fiat currenty, and neo-keynsian social democratic as discretionary economics. And economics simply the relationship between private property and common. Or in other words, the difference between rule of law that allows parasitism (jewish), and rule of law that prohibits parasitism, and rule of law that redistributes parasitically. I think that’s what all of us share. Rule of law. Empirical law. Not discretionary rule. We just were suckered yet again by the marxists into the false dichotomy of unfettered capitalism – monopoly of the middle class, or unfettered socialism – the monopoly of the underclass, rather than the successful european invention of rule of law, an unfettered monopoly of the upper, aristocratic, or martial class that derives its income from suppression of parasitism resulting in commission we call taxation. 3) HOW IS YOUR PLAN MORE ACTIONABLE/SCIENTIFIC THAN CURTIS YARVIN’S PLAN? I’m not sure Yarvin has a plan – just an idea. If you can’t write a constitution you’re just talking smack. I’m not sure how much of Aristotle’s thought was formed by his authoring of the athenian constitution, or the founding fathers by theirs, but I know how much of mine has been. Writing a constitution in operational language under sovereignty and reciprocity is quite difficult because you must operationalize what you’re saying. Now to say a government must run like a business is rather daft because in fact, governments all do, and always have run as a business. That’s why governments invented writing and numbers – so that they could manage inventory, revenue- and expenses. What occurred since the 1500’s was an improvement in accounting and literacy that made empirical government possible. What occurred with every instance of fiat money was un-empirical government. What occurred in all civilizations that entered periods of stagnation was a conversion from empirical and to moral because they failed to produce institutional means of maintaining empirical measurements. Well we have radically increased our ability to conduct empirical measurements, but we are still treating fiat money like a physical resource, and distributing it through the financial system making that accounting impossible. So while we need professional bureaucracy, and we need to staff it with our best people, it really doesn’t matter if they’re using intuition rather than measurement. the I-pencil problem is much easier to solve in the late monarchical age, and far harder to solve The same is true for law. Treating everyone as sovereign is in law is just like creating an account for a person. Strictly constructed law of tort is a purely empirical system of rule. Civilizations that scale beyond the means of empirical – meaning measurable – administration are simply governed by intuition, rumor, speculation, and habit rather than reason and measurement, and so are not able to resist rents and corruption, nor adapt to shocks. One of the means of scaling beyond the empirical is through reproduction of the underclasses, which violates the demand that as the complexity of the division of labor increases, the demand for a genetically middle class population increases. So one can run a eugenic polity like the northern europeans, one can run one like the Chinese Koreans and Japanese. Or one can NOT run a eugenic polity like the Muslim, Indian, african, and now south American worlds. And instead of increasing genetic, skilled, Knowledge, and Institutional capital, spend it down by underclass population expansion. In any polity we struggle to create a Pareto distribution of property in order to make possible the voluntary market organization of production. But we also struggle to prevent defection and anti-market sentiments by …. proportionality – meaning a Nash equilibrium of outcomes – meaning any one of us might do better but all of us do as best as we can in the group. Now, one can run a corporation (heterogeneous state) or one can run a family (homogenous state) or one can run a familial state (homogenous access to power, heterogeneous access to markets). Homogenous states run as families have less competition for status and power and tolerate greater asymmetry of wealth, yet produce relatively greater homogeneity of wealth. So in the twentieth century we destroyed (a) rule of law of tort, destroyed (b) the limits on reproduction of the underclasses, (c) destroyed the monetary and accounting system, (d) destroyed homogeneity of the population, and (e eliminated the monarchy and created a conflict for access to power to circumvent the market and obtain privileges and rents by the state, and (f) ended the prohibition on libel, slander, duel, hanging, fighting, civic defense and policing – all in order to accommodate those peoples not majority middle class (g) ended the family as a system of measurement by which resource consumption was measured. We did what the Chinese did when they stagnated, then we allowed underclass immigration that they did not. The twentieth century ended the age of empirical social organization and we see the results. Yarvin is just saying what everyone else says “I give up – I can’t solve the problem of government, and I trust a bureaucracy more than I trust the majority”, whereas the lesson of history is that “you can trust the middle class to govern and only the middle class, because only the middle class has interests in common with all people, practices middle class ethics of customer service, and governs their lives empirically.” There is no difference between cameralism and the Chinese method, and german method of a professional bureaucracy – and this is Fukuyama’s position. And he was wrong. Because the ability of people to produce a government of limited corruption begins before the government. It begins with their customary law, and the organization of their military. The west evolved from cattle raiders that fought on land like vikings and pirates – entrepreneurially. And defended collectively. So like the economics of pirates we developed sovereignty reciprocity and meritocracy (male proportionality) governed by rule of law of tort (property). And the jury and the law rather than authority as the means of dispute resolution. Add to this that unlike the fertile crescent, it took vast lands to feed horses and cattle, and bronze armor and chariots were expensive and funded by whole families, and you have western contractualism we still practice today. (Unfortunately the french – at least Parisians – were romanized and feminized and they are the sponsors of authoritarianism and socialism in Europe.) In other words, people think in terms of government like they do religion – conflationary terms. Religion only seems complicated until you operationally construct its constituent parts. The same for government. If instead of conflating we disambiguate the term government into the functions or institutions it must create, then we can more precisely analyze what we’re talking about, and in face, talk abut the same things.

At the highest level we can disambiguate government into Rule (decisions), Government (production and administration of commons), Treasury (revenue and expenses), and insurer of last resort (both negative like military and positive like care taking). So, let’s separate rule from government. Rule of law means rule without human discretion (choice). The romans knew there was a limit to rule of law during war. And that rule of law must be restored after the war. That’s because in war all assets must be put to collective single uses whereas in daily functioning all assets must be put to self interested uses, from which the body collects revenue in the form of a commission we call taxes. So there is no one static form of government producing the commons necessary for the current conditions, but one rule of law under which the production of commons varies according to the demand for commons. With P-law. we can produce any system of rule, production of commons, treasurer, and insurer of last resort. My understanding is that if we fix the conflict between the feminine consumptive and the masculine conservative by devolving the production of commons, particularly normative commons, out of the federal government, and if we fix the financial system, and end the lying, that it’s possible to settle this problem relatively peacefully. Western civilization’s uniqueness was in developing rule of law by sovereignty and reciprocity adjudicated by jury to prevent the most possible corruptions, and thereby forcing everyone into different markets whether military, commercial, philosophical, literary,, or supernatural. This is the fastest system of adaptation to change that is possible – it’s why the anglos adapt faster than continentals, but why continental rule is more stable. So I proposed a strictly constructed rule of law, with a monarchy as judge of last resort, a cabinet of professionals, subcontracted bureaucracies, houses for the classes and genders randomly selected like juries, requiring property and service, that have right of veto over taxes, fees. 

In this system no one is insulated from the law, and we create a market for the suppression of parasitism. There is more to it but that’s most of it. 

This system scales up and down from authoritarian to redistributive as circumstances permit. it also allows us to include and exclude groups arbitrarily. So that’s really my argument: government doesn’t matter, it’s rule of law that matters, and rule of law by sovereignty and reciprocity that matters. A government must satisfy market demand for governments by authority when needing to make leaps or defend; profitably operate a going concern; and redistribute windfalls when they occur. How this is accomplished is largely determined by the demographics with majority middle class the optimum participatory, majority working class some authority, majority underclass more authority The difference is that under my proposals the whether at the top or bottom is mostly via-negativa (veto). This is because the production of commons for excellences( upper), practicalities (middle), and insurance (bottom) are best left to those with understanding of them – and produced by trade rather than by consensus. 4) WHAT IS YOUR POSTURE TOWARDS REACTIONARIES? ARE THEY USEFUL ALLIES, OR PEOPLE WHO MUST ULTIMATELY BE CONVERTED TO YOUR CAUSE? I’m a reactionary right? I’m just scientific one that solved the problem of restoring measurement to government rather than throwing my hands up and giving up. Children need parables, teens need heroic stories, adults need security stories, and those who rule need only the truth and history, and those who govern need to engineer a solution with incentives that doesn’t not require people to act against their incentives in order to operate an organization of vast scale. Which one are you? I deal with engineering by that system of measurement we call law. I let other people tell stories.

  • Advice to Aspies(masculine Minds) Wanting to Expand Social Circles: Treat People Like Sunshine

    Oct 11, 2019, 10:30 AM (or “Advice to Aspies on how to go through life without continually failing the Turing test.” – Shannon Constantine ) There aren’t enough of ‘us’ to build a society. We are outliers. Society is built for ‘them’. They feel more than we do. They sense more than we do. They trade confirmation because they are not as sure of what they think as we are. And like anything in life, a trade must be done on the customer’s terms. So sell what they’re buying, not what you want to sell. So, I just shut my brain off, smile, and feel human presence like sunshine, not feel I need to contribute other than to confirm or compliment. I practiced ‘feeling’ others not ‘thinking’ them. Its sort of like being still so you can listen to a soft sound. We tend to listen to problems. Try not to respond to the problem but to the experience in relation to the problem, mirror his or her feelings and confirm them. I practice four disciplines. 1. I only disagree if a person will come to harm – not because the situation can be solved better. 2. I only give advice or ‘explain’ if I ask if they want it, or if they ask for it. “I have a thought on that if you want to hear it sometime”. 3. I only explain incentives, not what someone with lower agreeableness (us) would to correct the people involved. People don’t have our masculine absence of demand for agreeableness. 4. I confirm their emotions as rational for them in the circumstance. This produces trust. We operate on truth and falsehood rather than approval or disapproval, and rather than inclusion or exclusion. This is our ‘gift’. And it is a tool we can help them use. But they operate by inclusion and exclusion, and approval and disapproval, not by truth and falsehood. Once you have developed trust – sensitivity to their ned for approval and inclusion – which takes quite a bit of time, they might ask you for explanations. But don’t volunteer them. Over time, they will ask questions in such a way that they will cue you that they’re asking. Work to find fulfillment from the experience of people, not the conversation. Then the conversation will come – on their terms. I became happy when I said: how can I make everyone I meet feel comfortable, or complimented, or helped in some way no matter how small. We don’t realize that when we talk to them we are taking not giving. Give and you will receive so to speak.

  • Advice to Aspies(masculine Minds) Wanting to Expand Social Circles: Treat People Like Sunshine

    Oct 11, 2019, 10:30 AM (or “Advice to Aspies on how to go through life without continually failing the Turing test.” – Shannon Constantine ) There aren’t enough of ‘us’ to build a society. We are outliers. Society is built for ‘them’. They feel more than we do. They sense more than we do. They trade confirmation because they are not as sure of what they think as we are. And like anything in life, a trade must be done on the customer’s terms. So sell what they’re buying, not what you want to sell. So, I just shut my brain off, smile, and feel human presence like sunshine, not feel I need to contribute other than to confirm or compliment. I practiced ‘feeling’ others not ‘thinking’ them. Its sort of like being still so you can listen to a soft sound. We tend to listen to problems. Try not to respond to the problem but to the experience in relation to the problem, mirror his or her feelings and confirm them. I practice four disciplines. 1. I only disagree if a person will come to harm – not because the situation can be solved better. 2. I only give advice or ‘explain’ if I ask if they want it, or if they ask for it. “I have a thought on that if you want to hear it sometime”. 3. I only explain incentives, not what someone with lower agreeableness (us) would to correct the people involved. People don’t have our masculine absence of demand for agreeableness. 4. I confirm their emotions as rational for them in the circumstance. This produces trust. We operate on truth and falsehood rather than approval or disapproval, and rather than inclusion or exclusion. This is our ‘gift’. And it is a tool we can help them use. But they operate by inclusion and exclusion, and approval and disapproval, not by truth and falsehood. Once you have developed trust – sensitivity to their ned for approval and inclusion – which takes quite a bit of time, they might ask you for explanations. But don’t volunteer them. Over time, they will ask questions in such a way that they will cue you that they’re asking. Work to find fulfillment from the experience of people, not the conversation. Then the conversation will come – on their terms. I became happy when I said: how can I make everyone I meet feel comfortable, or complimented, or helped in some way no matter how small. We don’t realize that when we talk to them we are taking not giving. Give and you will receive so to speak.

  • EMJ / Doolittle

    Oct 11, 2019, 10:51 AM by Michael Churchill Actually having Curt and EMJ debate wouldn’t be helpful at all. EMJ is great for who he is and what he does. Fabulous, even. Heroic. A great man. Role model. But he is operating in a religious paradigm. Curt is operating in a scientific paradigm. Having a debate between them will only annoy everyone involved. Far better the Roosh/EMJ conversations. They speak more or less the same language (ironically).

  • EMJ / Doolittle

    Oct 11, 2019, 10:51 AM by Michael Churchill Actually having Curt and EMJ debate wouldn’t be helpful at all. EMJ is great for who he is and what he does. Fabulous, even. Heroic. A great man. Role model. But he is operating in a religious paradigm. Curt is operating in a scientific paradigm. Having a debate between them will only annoy everyone involved. Far better the Roosh/EMJ conversations. They speak more or less the same language (ironically).

  • No More Ancap Lies

    Oct 11, 2019, 11:31 AM

    —“First AnCaps are not free riders because AnCaps are not demanding or relying on any resources created by others. You say that it is some kind of fairy-tale village on the frontier which is protected by the federal cavalry when in trouble, but that is Y…”— Gunther Schadow

    ERROR #1 – AN ANARCHIC POLITY CAN OBTAIN PROPERTY, ATTRACT POPULATION, CONSTRUCT A POLITY (ORDER) AND THEN SURVIVE COMPETITION FOR TERRITORY AND POPULATION ON HOPPEIAN OR ROTHBARDIAN TERMS. Assertion: This isn’t possible without dependency upon external revenues, population, and governance. Evidence: it never has succeeded – ever. (see Crusoe’s island fallacy for why). a) I can produce no plan by which such an order is possible. b) I can find no evidence in history by which such an order is possible. c) I can discover no incentives under which such an order is possible. d) Every order that has tried has been exterminated by competitors because it has become a haven for criminals who use it as a staging ground for parasitism against polities that produce commons. You are welcome to falsify these falsifications. I cannot. LIE #1 – MISREPRESENTATION OF LACK OF COMPREHENSION OR ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT AN ARGUMENT AS COMPREHENSION

    —“Doolittle doesn’t have debates with anyone who might disagree too much…”—

    I’ll debate anyone who:

    – has the knowledge to. – has the ability to. – is intellectually honest – and is willing to. This dramatically limits the number of people worth debating to fellow researchers (academics). If one cannot conduct an argument on the opponent’s terms then one does not comprehend those terms. The only system of measurement for incommensurable terms is operations – a sequence of actions testing the possibility of the propositions. The leading people will not debate me for a variety of reasons,

    a) the most prevalent of which is my intolerance on one hand, b) and that I haven’t published a work they can dissect on another – which is the price of entry into the academy’s circle of discourse; c) i’m a hostile that they don’t want to feed attention to. d) they are afraid I would win. This is why I want to publish, but maintain presence online, which generates demand for the publication, and assists me in simplifying the arguments so that they are more digestible for less specialized people. LIE #2 – INABILITY TO RECIPROCALLY CONDUCT AN ARGUMENT ON THE OPPONENT’S TERMS DEMONSTRATING KNOWLEDGE OF THE OPPONENT’S TERMS You can’t. You don’t. You pretend you do. Yet you can’t demonstrate it. Yet you pretend to. LIE #3 (THEFT) – USING MALE GSRRM TO STRAW MAN THE OPPOSITION BEFORE MASTERY OF THE MATERIAL. Meaning you’re too lazy to do the work so you cast unsubstantiated criticism and insults in an attempt to force the opponent to educate you and debate you rather than asking questions or doing the research yourself. (theft by fraud). LIE #4 – OBJECTIVE IS TO CONFIRM BIASES NOT DISCOVER TRUTHS You aren’t searching for truth you’ve made up your mind that what you already consider the good (which as far as I can tell is purely habituated intuition ). CLOSING So man up and provide a solution ERROR #1, while not engaging in LIES #1,#2,#3,#4. If you can provide a solution to ERROR #1 then we have used operational terms to ameliorate differences in our arguments. Because so far you’re just pulling nonsense out of the air. This sort of goes along with my statement that if you can’t produce a constitution you’re talking smack. Well, same goes for the rest of the polity. The starting point being “how do I get a territory where I can determine the law”.

  • No More Ancap Lies

    Oct 11, 2019, 11:31 AM

    —“First AnCaps are not free riders because AnCaps are not demanding or relying on any resources created by others. You say that it is some kind of fairy-tale village on the frontier which is protected by the federal cavalry when in trouble, but that is Y…”— Gunther Schadow

    ERROR #1 – AN ANARCHIC POLITY CAN OBTAIN PROPERTY, ATTRACT POPULATION, CONSTRUCT A POLITY (ORDER) AND THEN SURVIVE COMPETITION FOR TERRITORY AND POPULATION ON HOPPEIAN OR ROTHBARDIAN TERMS. Assertion: This isn’t possible without dependency upon external revenues, population, and governance. Evidence: it never has succeeded – ever. (see Crusoe’s island fallacy for why). a) I can produce no plan by which such an order is possible. b) I can find no evidence in history by which such an order is possible. c) I can discover no incentives under which such an order is possible. d) Every order that has tried has been exterminated by competitors because it has become a haven for criminals who use it as a staging ground for parasitism against polities that produce commons. You are welcome to falsify these falsifications. I cannot. LIE #1 – MISREPRESENTATION OF LACK OF COMPREHENSION OR ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT AN ARGUMENT AS COMPREHENSION

    —“Doolittle doesn’t have debates with anyone who might disagree too much…”—

    I’ll debate anyone who:

    – has the knowledge to. – has the ability to. – is intellectually honest – and is willing to. This dramatically limits the number of people worth debating to fellow researchers (academics). If one cannot conduct an argument on the opponent’s terms then one does not comprehend those terms. The only system of measurement for incommensurable terms is operations – a sequence of actions testing the possibility of the propositions. The leading people will not debate me for a variety of reasons,

    a) the most prevalent of which is my intolerance on one hand, b) and that I haven’t published a work they can dissect on another – which is the price of entry into the academy’s circle of discourse; c) i’m a hostile that they don’t want to feed attention to. d) they are afraid I would win. This is why I want to publish, but maintain presence online, which generates demand for the publication, and assists me in simplifying the arguments so that they are more digestible for less specialized people. LIE #2 – INABILITY TO RECIPROCALLY CONDUCT AN ARGUMENT ON THE OPPONENT’S TERMS DEMONSTRATING KNOWLEDGE OF THE OPPONENT’S TERMS You can’t. You don’t. You pretend you do. Yet you can’t demonstrate it. Yet you pretend to. LIE #3 (THEFT) – USING MALE GSRRM TO STRAW MAN THE OPPOSITION BEFORE MASTERY OF THE MATERIAL. Meaning you’re too lazy to do the work so you cast unsubstantiated criticism and insults in an attempt to force the opponent to educate you and debate you rather than asking questions or doing the research yourself. (theft by fraud). LIE #4 – OBJECTIVE IS TO CONFIRM BIASES NOT DISCOVER TRUTHS You aren’t searching for truth you’ve made up your mind that what you already consider the good (which as far as I can tell is purely habituated intuition ). CLOSING So man up and provide a solution ERROR #1, while not engaging in LIES #1,#2,#3,#4. If you can provide a solution to ERROR #1 then we have used operational terms to ameliorate differences in our arguments. Because so far you’re just pulling nonsense out of the air. This sort of goes along with my statement that if you can’t produce a constitution you’re talking smack. Well, same goes for the rest of the polity. The starting point being “how do I get a territory where I can determine the law”.

  • Why Is Debating Against P so Unpleasant?

    Oct 11, 2019, 11:58 AM Listening to EMJ debate Dutton and Recognizing the profound difference between Argument and Error, vs Prosecution and Lying. So the reason it’s so painful for others to argue with us, is that if you use operational terms you can’t testify to something you claim you can, then you’re lying or engaging in fraud, while if you’re argument in ideal language instead of operational, you’re just making an error. This is why people hate arguing with us. That not only do we eliminate the ability to engage in sophism, but we don’t call it error, we call it lying, fraud, and deceit.

  • Why Is Debating Against P so Unpleasant?

    Oct 11, 2019, 11:58 AM Listening to EMJ debate Dutton and Recognizing the profound difference between Argument and Error, vs Prosecution and Lying. So the reason it’s so painful for others to argue with us, is that if you use operational terms you can’t testify to something you claim you can, then you’re lying or engaging in fraud, while if you’re argument in ideal language instead of operational, you’re just making an error. This is why people hate arguing with us. That not only do we eliminate the ability to engage in sophism, but we don’t call it error, we call it lying, fraud, and deceit.

  • Lunatics, Addicts, and Liars All Show Their Colors Eventually

    Oct 11, 2019, 1:40 PM

    —” About the Error #1, I submit the following: America itself with those 40 million people with 400 million guns are proving that it is possible. THEY, not the US Military, are protecting the homeland from boots-on-the-ground invasion. I am for saving the Republic not overthrowing it. Indeed the starting point is “how do I get a territory where I can determine the law”.— Gunther Schadow

    Yes but they don’t want an anarchic polity. They want a restoration of the constitution of natural rights. There is no evidence that they don’t want the classical liberal tradition. I am for saving the republic as we did during the last civil war by forcibly altering the constitution regardless of the political process such that necessary reforms are permitted. So you lied again that I want to overthrow the government and replace it rather than reform the constitution and modernize it.

    —“At this very moment, your P is as much a non-existing utopia as Hoppe’s A. Nothing that you say can change that. So all your arguments about “has never been done” and “cannot be done” do not apply. You may dream up something as the lone dreamer that you are, and you can claim all you want, and you can collect minions on the internet all you want. And you can refuse to consider arguments that do not adopt your autistic language first.”—

    Well that’s not true. The only difference between the current constitution and mine is strict construction, precise enumeration, and the extension of the current prohibition on false and fraudulent commercial speech to fraudulent political speech, and from criminal speech (conspiracy) to criminal political speech. The rest is just choices of the series of means of separation that permit local specialization of policy while providing unified defense as the framers intended. I mean, P is a methodology, but effectively the constitution I’m proposing just adapts the construction of commons to current conditions.

    —“But the reality is that you are but one man with a bunch of crazies on the internet dreaming of his great revolution in which for some reason his faction would win.”—

    And you are one man without crazies. And hoppe and rothbard have crazies that have failed for forty years now. and contributed to western failure. All revolutionaries are crazies, that tells us nothing. You’d have called Darwin a crazy, and happily killed aristotle as well as socrates.

    —“No, until then, you need to be held responsible to the belching and farting of your minions who you sit together in a room with dreaming your pipe dreams. All those “dealing with the Joo Qoo” and “Hitler was right” and that crude Hitlerian anticapitalist sentiments you are grooming around you (like one guy actually told me that “the economy shouldn’t have priority over the people” when I pointed out how foolish it is to round up and deport people who immigrated after 1965, shit like that.”—

    You are welcome to disagree on truth vs falsehood. If you want to disagree on preferable vs not then that’s not important here. I do truth, not preference. (I leave like and dislike for women and half men.) —-“When your minion-knights actually ride out in their attempt to assume power, there will be lots and lots of other powers who compete with you, and you have nothing to prove you would fare any better than Hoppe. Except you have a bunch of fascists around you who may be good with the rapid radical and murderous ascension to power, followed by foolishly squandering away the resources that they have violently and illegitimately conquered.”— Well you know, you are just venting your frustration. What will happen is ALL factions will ride out, and chaos will ensue and people will gravitate to a solution that appeals to them.

    —“I came here EXCITED about the IDEA and PROMISE of using formal definitions, scientific reasoning, truthful DILIGENT speech using operationalizable terms, and rule of law to reform our polity in America and world wide. “—

    That’s a lie right? You came here an ancap at worst, a civnat at best, a continental and a christian. You cam searching for a way to enforce what you wanted. I supplied away to enforce truth, reciprocity, and competitive necessity – which falsifies some of your wants. You just don’t like it. Yet you aren’t complaining about formal definitions, scientific reasoning, truthful diligent speech in operationalizable terms, and rule of law to reform our polity and America world wide, are you? Which of those have you complained about? None. What have you complained about? Every single time, the application of truth to TABOOS. Why? Why are you afraid of the truth such that you can’t speak of the taboos? And what have you offered us to repair the current conflict except the same silly political tweaks that have been proposed for fifty years? Nothing. So what you want from me is to stop falsifying and stop undermining falsehoods. And to simply agree with your sentiments. You are worried about people being OFFENDED and asked to LEARN. I am doing the opposite. I’m worried about TEACHING PEOPLE regardless of whether they’re offended by the truth or not. Because that’ is what ‘western’ means: truth regardless of cost. That’s what Kant said. THat’s what Aristotle said. That’s what I say.

    —-“””However, as soon as I noticed you are full of mythological shit and can’t let go of your Aryan master race mythology and that non-operationalizable “abrahamism” word, and you refuse to teach your minions to not be fascists while you fire them on while at the same time denying it (you are a liar actually) I got turned off. I don’t need to waste 10 thousand web pages of time to study any further and neither will 90% of those 40 thousand gun owners in America.”—

    What you mean is that I am looking for a way to reform our religion of christianity such that it is no longer a means by which our people are made vulnerable to the abrahamic methods of deceit we see in feminism, postmodernism, and marxism, as well as judaism, christianity, and islam. I want to outlaw this form of lying in public speech.. This offends you. Because it forces you to put truth before comfort regardless of cost. No philosopher achieves his ultimate end, but by discovering the ultimate ends, he moves the polity some number of steps toward them.

    —“You and John Mark (who won’t show his face, why?) “–

    My understanding is that people are doxxed and it affects their income. I no nothing at all about him. I don’t need to. Either a man’s words are true and reciprocal or false and irreciprocal.

    —“are playing with fire. Your minions are using some of that same rhetoric as the NZ mosque shooter, accelerationism. And one day you’ll have a few 100 men stupid enough to begin with aggression (all perfectly justified by your ideology). “—

    Where do you see that? You mean, instead, that there are people who come here because I truthfully discuss the Taboos, and so THEY are whacky. All of our people are trying to restore the need to fight to the anglo liberty tradition because of the failure of rothbardian and hoppeian pacifism. And I am at least, Eli is as well, saying that the solution is no longer possible democratically because it is no longer possible demographically. Regardless you are again GSRRM instead of asking whether P is true, you’re just lying again. So I’ll repeat what I said earlier: Yet you aren’t complaining about formal definitions, scientific reasoning, truthful diligent speech in operationalizable terms, and rule of law to reform our polity and america world wide, are you? Which of those have you complained about? None. You’re a liar. You are a liar by failure of due diligence. A carrier of others lies because of your failure of due diligence. And you don’t do your due diligence because either you are lazy, psychologically incompetent, or intellectually unable.

    —“And then the fascist tyranny that’s already siting at the levers of power will have enough to persecute all of the dissident right. “—

    Well, you know, that’s because you don’t know that what I’m proposing in the constitution is very hard for all but ideological leftists to disagree with. A scientists has to discover limits. That doesn’t mean you make use of them.

    —“But they aren’t as stupid as your minions are. It’s going to be a slow boiling death. Your crowd here for whom you are responsible fits the definition of terrorism and your ethno Aryan master race bullshit has gambled away all your moral authority already.”—

    Well, as far as I know I’m trying to restore the jeffersonian constitution under threat that if we don’t, then we will quite happily do something far less desirable. This is to remove the negotiation position like I have said for years. Sorry man, but the evidence is that (a) we have superior demographics, (b) superior balance of neoteny, depth of maturity, and dimorphism. (c) are the only people who have produced testimonial truth and reason, science and medicine, and have done so with a small population in a remote portion of euroasia, at the edge of the bronze age. (d) and have single handedly in this world and the ancient, dragged mankind out of ignorance and poverty hard work, disease and suffering with that civilization and genetic distribution. Sorry man, but the semitic religions are a crime against humanity and I’m trying to find a way to replace them with something that supplies demand but doesn’t include the Semitic cancers. My insight is truth and truth alone. And truth is unforgiving. So to say we are superior is simply true. To say that other people can imitate at least our truth and rule of law and eugenics and they will also become superior in a few generations, is also true.

    —“And there is even the big question how come that John Mark suddenly appears on the scene with that big boom and is your herald? Where does he come from? What funds do you have? “—

    Do a search. I’m a serial entrepreneur. I retired in my late 40’s to do this full time. That said, on purpose, donations pay for the institute and its costs. It’s a trivial cost. We collect trivial donations. Mostly from regulars. Why? I never want to have to modify my work to suit an income stream. Lots of people come and go. It has always been our strategy that I would do the R&D and others would take it to market, for reasons that are relatively obvious – mostly comprehensibility. John decided this was the answer he wanted to promote. So did eli. so has everyone else.

    —“Why doesn’t your stuff get blocked on YouTube? The thought that this is a honey trap is not at all far fetched. “—

    Ok now you have gone from borderline to full fledge lunatic. The reason I don’t get blocked is rather obvious. I don’t do hate speech. And I don’t post videos on controversial taboos. I only post on philosophy – and moreover, partly by design, they aren’t intellectually accessible to many. So others get blocked. The newest guy did yesterday. But as we continue to grow I expect to maintain technical content myself, others to education, others to rally, and others to test the margins.

    —“And why are you Curt siting in the Western Ukraine where the Stepan Bandera emblem wearing Nazis are celebrating their comeback aided and abetted by the deep state that is also running the coup against Donald Trump? So many questions that need to be talked about on common terms, not on your terms.”—

    Who says I’m in Ukraine. I’m in the states. I formed the institute and my companies in Ukraine, and as far as I know I’m married and a resident there. However, Ive been here in the states (a) restoring my health, and (b) taking care of a seriously ill parent. (c) investing in a revolution I’ve been predicting for fifteen years now. HERE IS THE REAL ISSUE Be a fucking gentleman, ask questions, and seek to understand. You clearly don’t understand that I work through prosecution of ideas reducing them to first principles, that must be true, rational, and reciprocal. And you’re an ignorant arrogant immature, loudmouth trying desperately to have someone agree with you or educate you on your terms at their cost. I’m the real deal. I’m exceptional good at what I do. As far as I know there is no other man living that has made anywhere near the progress I have. So If…

    You want an ideology go find one. You want a secular theology go find one. You want a religion go find one. I do truth, which means science, which means true, rational and reciprocal – regardless of costs. And if there isn’t a market for it in this decade there will be in another. And stop wasting my time. Your argument isn’t over truth it’s over preference – and I do truth.