–“That little militia did more for their freedom than democracy ever had. I think that’s what I learned from watching Ukrainians revolt.”–
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev.
Source date (UTC): 2014-02-23 08:35:00 UTC
–“That little militia did more for their freedom than democracy ever had. I think that’s what I learned from watching Ukrainians revolt.”–
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev.
Source date (UTC): 2014-02-23 08:35:00 UTC
LETTER TO THE BBC – TODAY – IN RESPONSE TO “REQUEST FOR COMMENTS FROM KIEV”
(interesting insight) (class and diversity)
–“I live in downtown Kiev. I have for a year and a half. And it might be interesting to relate how I have been affected, at least intellectually, by the protests.
I think we could help both western journalists and the populace they serve (as well as various State departments) if they would understand one of the vast differences between Ukrainian (and Russian for that matter) cultures and our own.
Somewhat like the Nordic countries, but very UNLIKE the germanic and anglo countries, Ukrainians do not really consider themselves as participants in a class war. While status signals are about all we seem to seek to collect in the west, here in Ukraine, status signals are something you collect personally, but not on behalf of a class.
The near destruction of class warfare was perhaps the only benefit of the soviet system. It worked. Whereas, in the west, we are still trying, to create the ‘Aristocracy of Everybody’ that was the unstated promise of the enlightenment in its Anglo, Anglo-American, German and French versions.
The Ukrainian society is, despite its fracture along geographic lines, language lines, religious lines, and political lines, NOT fractured along class lines.
And without this constant class and status warfare by everyone, people don’t demonize each other. They aren’t frustrated with each other. And even as a low-trust society, they don’t necessarily mistrust each other. Instead, they think and act as an extended family.
As such there just isn’t all that pent up anger and frustration that we have in anglo countries – since it’s IMPOSSIBLE to create an aristocracy of everybody – many people become frustrated at the conflict between the promise of upper middle class life, and the reality that western countries form normal distributions. That just doesn’t happen here.
Ukraine is tribally heterogeneous, but not necessarily culturally heterogeneous. Certainly less different than Quebecois and Anglo Anglos in Canada. Even in Canada the conflict is more over the class differences between the French who were predominantly from the continental lower classes, and the english who were not. In america the conflict is increasingly between married protestants with two incomes that can maintain middle class status, and everyone else.
The Ukrainian people reserve their anger and frustration for the corrupt government and do not display it toward one another. In fact, they are extremely civil and loving (despite absurd levels of alcohol consumption and zero prohibition on fist-to-cuffs). They have a nobility and pride that we have lost in our constant great game of class warfare.
The uncomfortable truth we westerners (particularly in the Anglosphere) must learn to deal with is that homogenous small societies demonstrate tolerance for greater redistribution and intolerance for class warfare. And that diverse, large societies resist redistribution and encourage class and culture warfare. In small homogenous polities, the government is a vehicle for cooperation. In large heterogeneous polities the government is a vehicle for class and cultural competition.
I am not sure we should be so proud of ourselves in the Anglo world. Ukrainians formed a militia in 90 days out of hand-made armor, surplus military gear, motorcycle and hockey gear, baseball bats, pipes, and a few weapons that they stole from the police and military.
That little militia did more for their freedom than democracy ever had.
I think that’s what I learned from watching Ukrainians revolt.”–
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev.
Source date (UTC): 2014-02-23 08:32:00 UTC
It’s really strange to me, living here, how CLUELESS western governments and reporters are. I mean, reading the western media, is embarrassing. The implied superiority and pontification is insulting.
What I didn’t grasp before living here was how much status signaling was contained in western propaganda.
It’s pathetic really.
(Dear: Max Romanenko thank you for mentoring me on the ‘real’ history of this part of the world.)
Source date (UTC): 2014-02-23 07:59:00 UTC
DEMOCRACIES ARE VOTE FARMS AND PARASITES ARE THE CHEAPEST PRODUCT TO RAISE.
Source date (UTC): 2014-02-23 07:15:00 UTC
(last night)(crowded)(inspiring)
Source date (UTC): 2014-02-23 07:09:00 UTC
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/why-a-new-ukraine-is-the-kremlins-worst-nightmare-9146751.htmlTHE FUTURE : RUSSIAN POWER AGAINST UKRAINE?
(note: I am pro-russian and pro-ukrainian both. My interest in this geopolitical rough and tumble is simple: I want a strong east that suppresses visible corruption so that people can economically prosper. )
“Russia has talked a lot about its “soft power” in recent years. It isn’t particularly soft. The new Ukraine will pay more for gas, which will be regularly cut off for “technical reasons”. Russia’s crazy “food safety” agency will declare that everything that comes out of Ukraine is radioactive. Ukrainian migrant workers will be sent home now they have finished helping to rebuild Sochi.
Worst of all, Russia will work hard to try to re-corrupt the political system. The Kremlin used to boast that it could exploit Ukraine’s old-style “democracy” – meaning that, just like Yanukovych, they could launch their own puppet parties and buy agents of influence in the honest ones. The Ukrainian Front, a bizarre alliance of hooligans and bikers with a vaguely pan-Slavist ideology that appeared in the eastern city of Kharkiv two weeks ago, was backed by the Russians. Skinheads and sportsmen with the money to spend on propaganda are not a natural combination. Similar groups may pop up in Crimea and elsewhere, where the last elements of the old regime may try and regroup.
But Russia’s ultimate problem is the same as Yanukovych faced. The Kremlin simply can’t understand that protesters would be motivated by ideology rather than by money or foreign support. The Russians were good at manipulating the old system, but dealing with real revolutionaries is a different matter. Ukraine is starting a very bumpy ride.”
THEY ARE NOT MOTIVATED BY IDEOLOGY BUT ECONOMIC SUFFERING AND FREEDOM FROM SYSTEMIC CORRUPTION.
Source date (UTC): 2014-02-22 23:15:00 UTC
http://t.co/m1OaYtCfC4
Source date (UTC): 2014-02-22 18:59:00 UTC
UKRAINE. THE MILITIA : EVERY ABLE BODIED MAN
Ukraine made a militia out of ad hoc barricades, old tires, molotovs, custom made armor, surplus helmets and construction gear.
Large groups of Ukrainians are patrolling the streets for troublemakers. The police are just ‘gone’. Invisible. They are wearing soviet era helmets, makeshift armor, and carrying baseball bats and lengths of pipe.
No bravado. Just doing it.
If every able bodied (and sane) man (and woman) is armed, and trained, then your government cannot oppress you. If your government does not want every able bodied (and sane) man (and woman) armed and trained, then you have to wonder why they would fear such a thing. If you aren’t willing to commit yourself to being armed and trained (if sane) then you cannot possibly claim that you have earned your property rights. ‘Cause you haven’t. You’re a parasite on the commitment, risk and effort of others.
Pacifist libertarianism is just an excuse for free riding: parasitism.
If you don’t have a militia, you don’t have freedom.
You merely have permission.
Source date (UTC): 2014-02-22 16:08:00 UTC
We are in Maidan.
In front if the stage.
Yulia is speaking.
The crowd listens.
Then cheers.
Her voice cracks.
It is beautiful.
Tears.
Source date (UTC): 2014-02-22 14:47:00 UTC
Hello Mr. Dolittle, what is your opinion on this commentary? accurate, or not?
The more (differing views) i hear about the Ukrainian chaos, the more confused I become.
Source date (UTC): 2014-02-22 13:21:00 UTC