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  • WALTER BLOCK REPRESENT THE MINDSET OF MOST LIBERTARIANS (bowshot)(good read) In

    http://www.quora.com/Does-Walter-Block-represent-the-mindset-of-most-libertariansDOES WALTER BLOCK REPRESENT THE MINDSET OF MOST LIBERTARIANS

    http://www.quora.com/Does-Walter-Block-represent-the-mindset-of-most-libertarians

    (bowshot)(good read)

    In the sense that Walter Block advocates the Non Aggression Principle (the “NAP”), as did Murray Rothbard; and in the sense that most self identified libertarians have also adopted the NAP – then, yes, he reflects a common libertine-libertarian rational justification of the common libertine-libertarian moral sentiment.

    However, the liberal libertarians (the classical liberals) – meaning the non-libertine libertarians, do not accept that the NAP is a sufficient moral or legal principle for the formation of a stateless polity with a minimum government. Or even that if it was sufficient that such criteria would be classifiable or interpreted as moral by anyone outside of the libertine-libertarian minority.

    Identifying as a Cosmopolitan Rothbardian libertine-libertarian, rather than an Anglo-Empirical classical-liberal libertarian, is a matter of justifying your emotional intuitions. Which is why most libertine libertarians demonstrate anti-social behaviors, such as justifying blackmail, and justifying externalities caused by deception, and externalities caused by hedonistic behavior; while most classical liberal libertarians demonstrate positive social behaviors such as commons-building, norms as a corporeal asset, and reputation as a property right.

    We, all of us, (me included), work to justify our moral intuitions, because our moral intuitions reflect our reproductive strategy. And so why has Rothbardianism failed as an American political movement: because very few people can morally tolerate the rothbardian levels of unethical and immoral behavior unless they also possess anti-social personalities.

    Rothbrdian libertinism has its origin in the urban ghettos, and as such it discounts externalities, physical commons, and normative commons and instead adopts the socio-pathological justification that we should not pay for commons whether physical or normative, and that we are not responsible for the externalities caused by our behavior. In other words, rothbardian libertarianism is unethical and immoral – factually, independent of anyone’s opinion.

    Just to clarify that this dispute between Libertine-liberarians, and Moral-Libertarians is more than a problem of psychologism – and that it has taken great effort for libertines to construct an intricate pseudo-sceientific and pseudo-rational ideology – lets look at the counter-factual but complex arguments that the libertine-libertarians rely upon.

    (a) In all but the most rare exceptions, self-identified libertarians do not understand the relationship between Intersubjectively Verifiable Property (IVP) and the NAP’s dependence upon IVP, or that such a relationship is a necessary property of the NAP, and without some definition of property such as IVP, the NAP is meaningless;

    (b) Nor that the reason self-identified libertarians cannot come to consensus is not the nap, but the sufficiency of IVP for the decidability of moral propositions, or as the basis for law sufficient for the formation of a voluntary polity;

    (c) in addition, research suggests that self-identified libertarians appear to be searching for confirmation of their moral intuitions (see Haidt), and that libertarianism is a narrow moral specialization (Haidt); and that just as progressives are severely morally blind, libertarians are merely less morally blind (Haidt) and therefore underestimate the importance of norms nearly as much as progressives underestimate the importance of both norms and economic incentives;

    (d) combined with the difference between the use of NAP as a moral principle, versus the NAP under IVP as a legal basis for polycentric organically evolutionary common law, combined with whether the NAP under IVP the basis for a common law is sufficient for a voluntary polity to form and persist, because such a body of law suppresses transaction costs sufficiently for people to rationally choose an anarchic over a statist polity;

    (e) combined with the low trust, and therefore low velocity of production and trade that can occur within a voluntary polity under the NAP/ISV as the basis of common law, providing negative economic incentives;

    (f) combined with the historical record’s demonstration that all low trust polities are subject to ostracization, tariffs, persecution, punishment, war and extermination by higher trust polities – in all circumstances;

    – all of which lead us to the conclusion that Rothbardian libertine-libertarianism is an unscientific, non-rational, impossible, complex verbalism, that confirms the moral intuitions of a small group of moral specialists; and an constitutes not a rational philosophy, but merely a body of arguments are sufficient for use as an ideology that assists in the formation of a cult-of-resistance against the state.

    But this ideology is not sufficiently rational or scientific for use as a moral and religious, or secular-legal, institutional means upon which to base a voluntarily organized society, that makes use of the voluntary organization of production (capitalism), in the absence of an authority (the state); in which the authority imposes rules of conduct, and/or, prevents retaliation for unethical and immoral actions that are not resolvable in a court of such laws.

    CONTEXT OF THE LIBERTINE VS LIBERTARIAN MOVEMENTS

    The Moral-Anglo-Libertarian movement, and the Libertine-Austrian-libertarian movement, are divided by the backgrounds of primary authors, into the Christian Enlightenment ethical system (classical liberal and Hayekian and Hosperian Libertarian), and the Jewish Cosmopolitan ethic (Misesian Cosmopolitan, and Rothbardian libertinism). IN addition, as a mini-reformation, Hoppe attempts to transform the Jewish Cosmopolitan ethic and system of thought, into the german rationalist ethic and system of thought. Both the jewish cosmopolitan and german rational systems of though, were proposed as alternatives to the anglo-empirical system of thought. The long-standing reason for this opposition between anglo, german and jewish, is couched as the difference between empirically dominated thought and rationally dominated thought (a technical argument in philosophy between empiricism and rationalism). However this is an artificial distinction. The reason Germans and Jews prefer rationalism is that the philosophy of German civilization and Jewish civilizations are hierarchical in the case of german, and authoritarian in the case of the jews.

    At present, only Walter Block and Lou Rockwell advocate the Rothbardian libertine position in full. Others emphasize largely the economic aspects of libertine-libertarianism, not the moral. Walter Block advocates what he argues as the morality of traditionally immoral topics. The presumption of his ethical position is that individuals are not responsible for externalities (the opposite of the christian position) and that norms in any polity are not constructed as, produced as, maintained as, and used as, an institutional commons.

    Hoppe by contrast argues in favor of a contractually explicit commons, not that the NAP is morally sufficient, or legally sufficient (as I understand him) for the formation of a voluntary polity. Hoppe merely assumes that desirable human behavior will evolve if given the opportunity – not that property was forced upon people, outbreeding was forced upon them, delayed marriage was forced up on them, rule of law was forced upon them, and the competitive market was forced upon them – by aristocracy.

    BLOCK AS SPECIALIST IN IMMORALITY

    Block has written a number of books now that advocate unethical and immoral activity as individually beneficial – without acknowledging that all criminal, unethical, immoral, conspiratorial, parasitic behavior is beneficial to individuals or small groups. That does not answer the question of why moral groups should cooperate with immoral groups, or should not conquer, enslave, or kill immoral groups, since cooperate is irrational if all it means is another group can engage in parasitism against your group.

    So in this sense, Block represents the position of anti-social libertines in the libertine-libertarian movement who hold to the immoral and unethical the body of thought, that originated in the application of ghetto ethics to german continental moral philosophy, as a reaction against the anglo-enlightenment-libertarianism’s universalism.

    SUMMARY

    So while most libertine-libertarians, and many moral-libertarians, refer in some way or another to the NAP, in all cases the cross-cultural consensus is meaningless as other than a simple signal of group membership – like a secret handshake, or mason’s ring, or religious jewelry or clothing – because the NAP is merely a recognition of the fact that libertarians dislike state aggression against them, not because the NAP is a sufficient rule for any political, moral, or legal purpose.

    So while Walter is the leading figure in libertinism, that is largely because libertines are justifying empathic, non-rational, sentimental approval of arguments that they clearly do not understand, and whose value to them, is that the are sufficiently complex to mirror the reflects of religious texts: that they are extremely difficult to refute, and they justify the speaker’s moral sentiments. Not because they are rationally complete, scientifically demonstrable or demonstrated, or sufficient for legally basis or morally foundation.

    That’s enough for now. Although I should probably continue.

    Curt Doolittle

    The Philosophy of Aristocracy

    The Propertarian Institute

    Kiev, Ukraine.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 11:13:00 UTC

  • Brilliant *** –“It’s true, actually science is Dennett’s “universal acid” that

    Brilliant ***

    –“It’s true, actually science is Dennett’s “universal acid” that will dissolve everything we hold dear except life itself. In this sense, conservatives are more correct than liberals, since the former correctly believe that evolution contradicts everything they believe.

    The liberals, whose beliefs are more ambiguously related to science, refuse to accept the smaller adjustments necessary to accommodate science, even though so many more of them do accept the “modern scienctific worldview”.”– Adam Voight


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 10:09:00 UTC

  • UNIVERSAL ANTI LIBERTINE ARGUMENT: (good) It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact: I am

    UNIVERSAL ANTI LIBERTINE ARGUMENT:

    (good)

    It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact: I am a libertarian, and you are a libertine trying to dress-up respectably in libertarian verbal costume. And just as stamping your products with a false weight and measure, or attempting to imitate another consumer brand, or giving an oath you have no intention of fulfilling, lying that you are a libertarian rather than a libertine is not a matter of debate. It us a matter of you lying, in order to avoid paying the high cost of ethical and moral behaviour so that you can export costs for the social order into others.

    In other words you are just trying to use a lot of excuses to skate on s debt.

    Libertines who claim they are libertarians are just debt evaders. Thieves. Liars. Fools.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 08:11:00 UTC

  • Val told me that I have improved in the past six months, but I want to turn that

    Val told me that I have improved in the past six months, but I want to turn that around and suggest that if you randomly selected twenty posts from each member of this group a year ago and compared them to the last twenty they have made – particularly in the past three weeks – you would notice dramatic improvements in the sentence structure, informational density, length, analytic content, empirical references, and sheer confidence of each writer. What were expressions of criticism or advocacy have evolved into arguments.

    It’s moving. Spiritually.

    100 is all we need.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 07:57:00 UTC

  • Operational – Empirical Ratio – Empirical Economically empirical. Experimentally

    Operational – Empirical

    Ratio – Empirical

    Economically empirical.

    Experimentally Empirical

    Ratio – Historical

    Ratio – Moral

    Moral / Religio-moral

    A-rational Sentimental.

    Expressive

    … Ok I can write the operational method now, showing that the scientific method consists of a subset of that method.

    Took me almost a year an a half to figure this out. 🙁 and in retrospect it should have been obvious.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 07:50:00 UTC

  • Democratic governance works for aristocratic nuclear families, as a means of adv

    Democratic governance works for aristocratic nuclear families, as a means of advocating for compromises only possible within families.

    Remove the family and add individualism and democracy is a war against the family and aristocracy. (Liberty)


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 07:08:00 UTC

  • is an excellent example of low cost progressive lying and the high cost to refut

    http://slnm.us/LmMp0pwThis is an excellent example of low cost progressive lying and the high cost to refute it.

    I can refute it but the cost is too high.

    This is why the commons must be defensible in court so that we raise the cost of lying.

    Conservative are largely right and progressives are largely wrong. And libertarians are partly wrong.

    But our languages are opposite to our beliefs.

    It’s humorously ironic if you can get past that it’s tragic.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 07:06:00 UTC

  • The west’s wealth was due in so small part to both prohibiting single parenthood

    The west’s wealth was due in so small part to both prohibiting single parenthood AND delaying reproduction until you could afford a house.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 04:10:00 UTC

  • Salon is Jerry Springer For Liberal Arts Grads. You know I love to read about cr

    Salon is Jerry Springer For Liberal Arts Grads.

    You know I love to read about crazy human behavior and watch accident and fight videos, and to catch the occasional jerry springer re-run. But it never occurred to me before that Salon was just Jerry Springer for those with an undergraduate degree outside of the STEM fields.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 04:08:00 UTC

  • Inequality? Again: 1) feminism and single motherhood along racial lines generate

    Inequality?

    Again: 1) feminism and single motherhood along racial lines generates theft from those with good discipline and who create a single household cost, to those with poor discipline and who generate two household costs. The “fair answer” then is to ignore all marriage corporation in taxation, everyone file individual taxes, and halve the income and double the deductions of married cohabiting people, so that married people who co-habitate are not unfairly taxed. If we did that, then taxes would have to be adjusted higher on everyone now that money was not stolen from efficient families to expensive single mothers.

    2) companies left the states because we are no longer the exclusive members of the wealth club, able to export products to others. And did so because overpaid labor in the postwar period tried to further increase their take. So rather than lose other markets or lose this market to others, Americans had no choice but to move production to companies with new markets.

    I left for that reason. Plus government employees are predatory members of the lower classes. And I am sick of living in fear of them.

    3) Education never was able to compensate for racial differences in ability and preference, and cannot now compensate for both biological differences and cultural differences as well.

    Educators are overpaid given the statistical relationship between teacher compensation and other graduates with same iq, especially given that teachers do not marginally improve in performance after the first six months of employment.

    Our children are largely taught indoctrination and falsehoods and we can prove that by testing against other cultures.

    So we can no longer produce employment asymmetrically from the rest of the world.

    If we examine voting history we see that without women voters, none of these policies would have been possible to pass. So this state of affairs is due to feminists and socialists.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-10-26 04:02:00 UTC