Category: Religion, Myth, and Theology

  • A MUSLIM DEVOTEE’S ARGUMENT (Whats funny is that as I write this i’m berating an

    http://www.amazon.com/Omar-Khayyam-Poet-Rebel-Astronomer/dp/0750947152/EXPLAINING A MUSLIM DEVOTEE’S ARGUMENT

    (Whats funny is that as I write this i’m berating an ignorant american standing in front of me for a similar error. irony is everywhere.)

    I’m going to be generous and suggest the reviewer does not understand what he speaks.

    In the western tradition we have three languages: (a) the anglo, roman and greek empirical and historical, (b) the german and french ‘continental’ and rational, and the (c) Catholic Theological under Natural Law.

    The Islamic tradition has not gone through either the continental or empirical revolutions, and remains an inspirational and mythical construction. Inspiration and myth are indeed a means of communicating ideas. The continental tries to bridge between the inspirational and authoritarian methods of the theological, and the factual and empirical methods of the empirical.

    MANY of the same ideas can be COMMUNICATED and TAUGHT by inspirational/mythological, continental/rational and analytic/scientific means of communication. But it is much harder to error, bias, wish, and deceive in the analytic tradition than in the rational and mythological.

    So just as the young need myth and virtue ethics, the mature need history and deontological(rule) ethics, and the wise need science and teleological (outcome) ethics, civilizations require virtues for the ignorant and laboring class, rules for the educated and managerial class, and science for brilliant and leadership classes.

    Because the virtuous man, the educated manager, and the brilliant leader influence different numbers of people. The man himself, the manager of men, and the leader of men, require greater precision in their knowledge because they must distill information from larger numbers of people, and distribute instruction to larger numbers of people.

    The author of this fine book is speaking in the empirical language of professors, scholars, and leaders of educated men. He is not speaking in the virtues of laborers. Islam is a language of ignorant men because islam has not evolved into a technological society. Christianity was the language of ignorant men before they evolved into a technological society.

    Virtues can be expressed in many languages: that which inspires, that which managers require, and that which leaders require. But the truth required of leaders cannot be expressed by mere inspiration.

    Islam like christianity, like judaism, like zoroastrianism that Muhammed immitated, is a language for the leadership and management ignorant people herding sheep and cattle.

    It worked. But it is not ‘true’ any more than icarus and daedalus are true. They merely teach broad general rules for life. They do not tell us how to transform the universe into a garden of eden.


    Source date (UTC): 2015-10-30 08:21:00 UTC

  • (worth repeating) Islam vs Christianity (via Curt) 1) hatred is required / hatre

    (worth repeating)

    Islam vs Christianity (via Curt)

    1) hatred is required / hatred is prohibited

    2) punishment is required / punishment is prohibited

    3) lies are permissible / lies are not permissible

    4) dual ethics (us and them) / universal ethics (misguided children)

    5) respect a given / respect earned by actions.

    6) knowledge is fixed / knowledge evolves

    7) intolerance is required / intolerance is prohibited

    8) inbreeding is promoted / inbreeding is prohibited

    9) produces low trust societies / produces high trust societies

    10) produces ignorance and poverty / produces knowledge and prosperity

    A religion is what is practiced not what is preached.


    Source date (UTC): 2015-10-29 11:31:00 UTC

  • CHURCH SERVICES? What if your ‘church’, which provided feast and ritual, also pr

    CHURCH SERVICES?

    What if your ‘church’, which provided feast and ritual, also provided services including education, banking, insurance, and a militia? The market serves to provision those functions, but why should they operate for profit? Why is market individualism more advantageous than collective bargaining?


    Source date (UTC): 2015-10-29 04:21:00 UTC

  • THE CROSS .. ……………………THOSE WHO FIGHT ………………………

    ………………………..THE CROSS

    ..

    ……………………THOSE WHO FIGHT

    …………………………….Violence

    ……………………….Organize Property

    …………………………………..|

    …………………………………..|

    THOSE WHO SPEAK —|— THOSE WHO TRADE

    …..Organize Norms…………….Organize Production

    ……….Gossip………………………….Remuneration

    …………………………………..|

    …………………………………..|

    …………………THOSE WHO PRODUCE

    …………………..Labor and Consumption

    …………………………………..|

    …………………………………..|

    …………………..THOSE WHO CARE

    …………………………Reproduction

    ……………………Nurture and Hospital


    Source date (UTC): 2015-10-27 05:34:00 UTC

  • Q&A: “Curt,… I was wondering if you could make a post detailing your analysis

    Q&A: “Curt,… I was wondering if you could make a post detailing your analysis of what the Catholics brought over to America (good or bad), and/or thoughts about Catholicism in general. Thanks.”

    Will do. Take me a while tho.

    (this is to remind me)


    Source date (UTC): 2015-10-26 11:05:00 UTC

  • Notes on The Contents of Western Religion

    (sketch) Christianity consists of Germanic, Mediterranean, Jewish, Egyptian, and Babylonian ideas. If you were to reduce the western ethic to the jeffersonian bible, and natural law, you would have the germanic elements of it. Indo european aristocracy is what separates the west from the rest. Christianity takes much too much credit for the success of Europe which is as much the product of aristocracy (distributed governance) and its dependence upon trade rather than direct organization of production and heavy taxation, as it was the church. The church was weak, and that was a good thing. It provided literacy, administration, status, and licensed the conquest of unbelievers or violators of the church, in a land where the production of outputs was fairly constant, but the rulership readily changed. It is not the church per se that troubles me, but the use of levantine mysticism instead of aristotelianism and stoicism. We mix our philosophers in every civilization: – Chinese use Sun Tzu, Confucius, Lao Tzu, and Mao, but call themselves buddhists. – Americans use Aristotle; Jesus, Peter and Paul; Smith, Hume, Jefferson, Hamilton and Paine, but call themselves christians. Socialists use their false prophets: the marxists, but call themselves atheists and scientific. – Germans use Aristotle, Kant… – French use their authors … – Muslims (judaism 2.0) reduce it to two books … It’s hard to dispute the success of Christianity: – (a) the church desperately worked to rebuild western civilization after the fall of the empire – even if it played a part in the destruction of western civilization itself. – (b) wherever christianity goes today, wealth follows (eventually), because of the extension of kin love and trust to non-kin. – (c) christianity somehow imbues us with idealism and this produces great thinkers. – (d) the institutionalization of kinship love, the extension of property rights to all and to women and the prohibition on cousin marriage were profound advances. I reduce post-medieval ‘scientific’ Christianity to a personal philosophy: – sovereignty (non-submission: each man is the master of his fate), – do no harm: respect property (property-en-toto), and; – chivalry (try to help everyone you possibly can), – paternalism (take personal responsibility for the various commons), – piety (humility and self skepticism as a defense against hubris; the love of all life; the requirement that we create beauty; and awe at the universe great and small). and combine that personal philosophy with a political philosophy: – natural law (universal law, necessary for mutual prosperity) – strict construction (not hermenuetic interpretation) – mono-logism (one logic of ethics, and many contractual adaptations) – universalism (if it is indeed true, then it is true for all men) In other words, a political philosophy of cooperation. And I view all other political models as a failure to solve the problem of politics (cooperation in the production of commons). Everything else is merely theatre. Not that theatre is not important. Theater is ritual, and rituals bind. The more expensive the rituals, the greater the binding. This vision of Christianity is a vision of the empowered. The vision of Christianity for the unempowered, and for the weak must be different. We can have multiple religions to achieve this, we can tell multiple narratives, or we can create multiple ‘saints’ (gods and heroes) for people with different needs to pray to, that symbolize different ends. I prefer: – sovereignty to submission; – prayer as request for will and wisdom from a hero whose soul (memory) lives on in all of us; – seasonal rituals celebrating life on earth rather than lives of prophets – worship of life, beauty, joy and friends, to salvation from suffering; – many gods for many different people to one god for all; – fairies, elves, dwarves, trolls, forests to angels and deserts. – the ancient temple to the medieval church; because one-ness, monopoly, and authority are cancers for the human mind and spirit. I am pretty certain of: – Mindfulness: – – buddhism for the feminine (defensive control of the impulsive mind) – – stoicism for the masculine (offensive discipline in furtherance of action) – western myths and fairy tales – truth telling as the most important normative commons we can construct. – grammar, rhetoric, logic, scientific method (testimonialism), economics, history, as producing higher return in current civilization than our current emphasis on abstract calculation which will soon be replaced by machinery. And the trouble in the modern era is: – these are masculine prophets and philosophers. Women in each civilization, not only ours, seek to restore the matrilineal order, parasitism and de-civilization, through the newfound power of the state. The only solution I can come up with is to make use of voluntary exchange between classes and to give women a house from which to negotiate those exchanges, rather than empower them through democracy to destroy civilization. Science is reversing a century and a half of feminist and socialist pseudoscience. But it is happening slowly. Whether too slowly is the open question. (I am still working on religion. so this is just my current thinking) Curt

  • Notes on The Contents of Western Religion

    (sketch) Christianity consists of Germanic, Mediterranean, Jewish, Egyptian, and Babylonian ideas. If you were to reduce the western ethic to the jeffersonian bible, and natural law, you would have the germanic elements of it. Indo european aristocracy is what separates the west from the rest. Christianity takes much too much credit for the success of Europe which is as much the product of aristocracy (distributed governance) and its dependence upon trade rather than direct organization of production and heavy taxation, as it was the church. The church was weak, and that was a good thing. It provided literacy, administration, status, and licensed the conquest of unbelievers or violators of the church, in a land where the production of outputs was fairly constant, but the rulership readily changed. It is not the church per se that troubles me, but the use of levantine mysticism instead of aristotelianism and stoicism. We mix our philosophers in every civilization: – Chinese use Sun Tzu, Confucius, Lao Tzu, and Mao, but call themselves buddhists. – Americans use Aristotle; Jesus, Peter and Paul; Smith, Hume, Jefferson, Hamilton and Paine, but call themselves christians. Socialists use their false prophets: the marxists, but call themselves atheists and scientific. – Germans use Aristotle, Kant… – French use their authors … – Muslims (judaism 2.0) reduce it to two books … It’s hard to dispute the success of Christianity: – (a) the church desperately worked to rebuild western civilization after the fall of the empire – even if it played a part in the destruction of western civilization itself. – (b) wherever christianity goes today, wealth follows (eventually), because of the extension of kin love and trust to non-kin. – (c) christianity somehow imbues us with idealism and this produces great thinkers. – (d) the institutionalization of kinship love, the extension of property rights to all and to women and the prohibition on cousin marriage were profound advances. I reduce post-medieval ‘scientific’ Christianity to a personal philosophy: – sovereignty (non-submission: each man is the master of his fate), – do no harm: respect property (property-en-toto), and; – chivalry (try to help everyone you possibly can), – paternalism (take personal responsibility for the various commons), – piety (humility and self skepticism as a defense against hubris; the love of all life; the requirement that we create beauty; and awe at the universe great and small). and combine that personal philosophy with a political philosophy: – natural law (universal law, necessary for mutual prosperity) – strict construction (not hermenuetic interpretation) – mono-logism (one logic of ethics, and many contractual adaptations) – universalism (if it is indeed true, then it is true for all men) In other words, a political philosophy of cooperation. And I view all other political models as a failure to solve the problem of politics (cooperation in the production of commons). Everything else is merely theatre. Not that theatre is not important. Theater is ritual, and rituals bind. The more expensive the rituals, the greater the binding. This vision of Christianity is a vision of the empowered. The vision of Christianity for the unempowered, and for the weak must be different. We can have multiple religions to achieve this, we can tell multiple narratives, or we can create multiple ‘saints’ (gods and heroes) for people with different needs to pray to, that symbolize different ends. I prefer: – sovereignty to submission; – prayer as request for will and wisdom from a hero whose soul (memory) lives on in all of us; – seasonal rituals celebrating life on earth rather than lives of prophets – worship of life, beauty, joy and friends, to salvation from suffering; – many gods for many different people to one god for all; – fairies, elves, dwarves, trolls, forests to angels and deserts. – the ancient temple to the medieval church; because one-ness, monopoly, and authority are cancers for the human mind and spirit. I am pretty certain of: – Mindfulness: – – buddhism for the feminine (defensive control of the impulsive mind) – – stoicism for the masculine (offensive discipline in furtherance of action) – western myths and fairy tales – truth telling as the most important normative commons we can construct. – grammar, rhetoric, logic, scientific method (testimonialism), economics, history, as producing higher return in current civilization than our current emphasis on abstract calculation which will soon be replaced by machinery. And the trouble in the modern era is: – these are masculine prophets and philosophers. Women in each civilization, not only ours, seek to restore the matrilineal order, parasitism and de-civilization, through the newfound power of the state. The only solution I can come up with is to make use of voluntary exchange between classes and to give women a house from which to negotiate those exchanges, rather than empower them through democracy to destroy civilization. Science is reversing a century and a half of feminist and socialist pseudoscience. But it is happening slowly. Whether too slowly is the open question. (I am still working on religion. so this is just my current thinking) Curt

  • THE FUTURE OF OUR RELIGION: PAGAN, CHRISTIAN, ARISTOTELIAN (from elsewhere)( imp

    THE FUTURE OF OUR RELIGION: PAGAN, CHRISTIAN, ARISTOTELIAN

    (from elsewhere)( important post)

    In an effort to follow the grand tradition of making everyone equally unhappy: the Germanic west has always been both folk pagan and politically Christian and intellectually Aristotelian.

    Like the Chinese who rely on sun tzu in the aristocracy, Confucius in politics and Buddha and Lao tzu in the lower classes, we are and always have been polytheists.

    The church wrote our history. Philosophers from the middle classes wrote alternatives, prophets sated our lower classes and the family persisted our pagan mythos.

    Democratic secular socialist humanism under the control of the academy, media, and state complex have worked more diligently to eradicate our pagan, Christian and Aristotelian mythos by a deluge of propaganda, lying, pseudoscience and political correctness.

    While it is true that we must eradicate this false religion, it is unlikely that Christianity can survive in its current form except by demotion to folk religion. And other than Christian brotherly love, given that this Christian sentiment is the origin of the new religion of the state, it is difficult to suggest that it should.

    Our pagan history is as protective of our culture as Christianity has made us vulnerable to conquest. But it is insufficient for more than a folk history. It has no equivalent of church, ritual and pulpit. No authority on matters moral and non. No bureaucracy capable of perpetuation, and this is all true because we lack a book: a law upon which to construct ritual, institution and persistent mythos.

    Religions require a book. The book must provide a law. That law must solve real problems of organizing a polity such that it can compete to survive if not excel. That law must be sufficient to place moral limits on any state, government or man, abridgment of which licenses ostracism, punishment, deprivation, conquest, and death.

    But such a book and such a religion must promise a future that provides returns to its followers.

    And following such a religion if we can call it that, must not require contra logical belief that the promised future will be brought into existence.

    We are no longer in the age of gods.

    We are in the age of man who may become gods.

    We need a book that satisfies these criteria.

    Preserving the best of the pre-Germanic, Germanic pagan, Christian monarchical, Aristotelian cults, and delivering us from Babylonian Judaism 4.0: Anglo liberalism, and Germanic neo-Puritanism, United with cosmopolitan Jewish socialism.

    We need to use that book to retake our churches. To retake our governments. To retake control of our destiny. To preserve the Majesty and piety of the church, the universal love of the Nazarene, the heroism of Alexander and Odin, the wisdom of the truth of Aristotle, the beauty of the universe transformed by our will into the Eden we did not fall from but instead desire to bring into being.

    Restorations of past mythos cannot be reconstructed. The incentives do not exist. Appeals to restoration of Protestantism, to Catholicism, to Germanic paganism, or Celtic Druidism are mere admissions of failure.

    We need a revolution not a restoration. We need a book. And with that book moral license and individual and collective incentive to overthrow the state religion, spit its members and advocates upon pikes, hang their followers, crucify our enemies, destroy their monuments, burn their books, and to associate through repetition the names of false gods, false prophets, distributors of falsity, so that none dare speak their names except as a impolitic curse.

    Evolve or perish.

    A book.

    A plan.

    An organization

    And violent action.


    Source date (UTC): 2015-10-16 06:31:00 UTC

  • FOR A NEW FAITH TO EMERGE, WE MUST KILL THE CURRENT ONES: LIBERALISM, DEMOCRACY,

    FOR A NEW FAITH TO EMERGE, WE MUST KILL THE CURRENT ONES: LIBERALISM, DEMOCRACY, FEMINISM

    I disagree that a new western ‘faith’ is possible without first making other faiths as impossible as Darwin made Christianity.

    The chief faith today is postmodern pseudoscience. So I am killing that faith And doing a great gob of it.

    I am not sure what the new faith looks like other than we must return to man and nature, men and achievements, and seek transcendence and to conquer the universe.

    In no small part I make these arguments because every generation of aristocracy has failed to provide resistance against feminism and socialism and progressivism.

    The only means of defeat is science. So I have constructed scientific morality.

    What religion emerges from that defeat will be constrained by truth. I have some suspicions that such a truthful society will return to the production of high culture.

    But that is for other men to achieve.


    Source date (UTC): 2015-10-14 09:02:00 UTC

  • THE UTILITY OF RELIGIONS FOR MANAGING A SOCIAL ORDER. AND JURIDICALISM AS ‘RELIG

    THE UTILITY OF RELIGIONS FOR MANAGING A SOCIAL ORDER. AND JURIDICALISM AS ‘RELIGON’.

    —“Confucianism is a much more useful system for managing social order than either Islam or Christianity”— Michael Philip

    True. But the prohibition on parasitism expressed as the right to property-en-toto, expressed as ‘natural law’, the common english law, and an independent judiciary is the most useful system for managing a social order ever invented. The problem is, how do you create the trust necessary for a juridical system to function without a militia intent upon its construction?

    This is why Confucianism functioned: it was a means of reconciling the tyrannical nobility by providing a means of resisting them, as well as a means of legitimizing their claim to power if they adopted it.

    Christianity is a religion of expansionary cooperation (love). It is an exceptional religion for the development and maintenance of middle classes because trade velocity and trust are reciprocally dependent. Christianity did not seize power in Europe so much as legitimate and delegitimize rulers. If a ruler was delegitimized his lands were open for conquest by others.

    Islam is a religion of expansionary violence. It justifies that expansionary violence. It is an exceptional religion for the lower classes who cannot develop trust. It provided legitimacy to conquerors.

    Judaism is a religion that justifies non contribution to a physical commons, requires contribution to a normative commons, and encourages and parasitism of the normative and physical commons of others.

    So my work, as I understand it, is the completion of the use of the common and natural law as a prohibitionary social order, enforced by a judiciary and a militia. It is effectively a scientific ‘religion’ of law, in which truth, trust, and militial defense of the judiciary, are the necessary costs we bear for its construction.

    Curt Doolittle

    The Philosophy of Aristocracy

    The Propertarian Institute

    Kiev, Ukraine


    Source date (UTC): 2015-10-13 05:07:00 UTC