October 17th, 2018 12:27 PM WHO OWNS THEIR SOUL (INTUITIONS AND SCRIPTS) by Nick Heywood
—“I mean, judaism christianity and islam all but outright manufacture ignorance and deceit.—CD
From a higher cognitive position, yes. But the [less able, those lacking agency] don’t know that! They can’t get past their #npc’ness. [Lack of ability and agency] In fact, That’s a Good! #NPC’s are needed. The problem is, who owns (produces) their soul (instincts and scripts)?
October 17th, 2018 CURT: CAN A SANE PERSON HAVE FAITH?
—“Curt, is it possible for a man to believe in Christian doctrine without being a borderline schizophrenic or a closet atheist with personal issues? Can a sane man of at least average intelligence believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God in good faith?”— Scott Cameron
[W]ell, this confuses Sanity with Agency. Can a sane man do so? Well, evidence that sane and insane people do so. The question is can a man possessed of Agency do so? I mean, for all intents and purposes I ‘believe’ in the characters of history although they are constructed through recursive narrative improvement into myths. That does not stop me, but helps me refer to them (imitate them) in disposition, frame of mind, and method of problem solving. The question is, whether you are imitating a history, a myth, or an occult version of whatever it is, and the assumptions you have about the universe when you imitate each of those criteria. Ergo: are you Relying on Knowledge (techne/history), Seeking Wisdom (general rules), or Seeking false comfort (falsehoods)? Christians tend to make pretty good people – a dumb christian is still a lot better than just about anything else because of its optimism (exhaustive forgiveness) which is the optimum group evolutionary strategy. I’ll refer you to this post (Oath): https://propertarianinstitute.com/2017/11/12/the-oath-of-transcendent-man-a-pagan-a-christian-an-aryan-a-warrior-a-man-transcendent/ And this paragraph:
—“I am a christian if I have adopted the teaching of christianity: 1) the eradication of hatred from the human heart. 2) the extension of kinship love to non-kin. 3) the extension of exhaustive forgiveness before punishment, enserfment, enslavement, death, or war.”—
This is the element of ‘faith’ in christianity. And it turns out to be correct: exhausting opportunities for cooperation before retaliating is the optimum cooperative strategy – there is none better. Nearly all humans (and animals) will cooperate given enough time to learn its value. Faith, in all its forms, is merely a way to circumvent problem solving when the neural (Bayesian) accounting (calculation) is beyond our capacity to reason. So faith allows us to ignore our intuitions and frustrations and calmly continue our efforts, with some semblance of piece of mind (confidence) in the outcomes. The rest of christianity is just nonsense. The act of ‘praying to’ (role playing with) a super-parent (fictional character) that you cannot lie to (omniscience) simply works by taking advantage of our innate abilities to self program our intuitions (pre rational searching). Role playing with Gods (eternal, magical), Demigods (immortal), heroes (simple superiors), and Ancestors and parents (our own heroes as children), works for the same reason talking to priests, shrinks, and friends works: if we can train ourselves not to lie to ourselves the role playing will ‘work’. We consist of a physical body, a set of physical (cognitive) biases, a set of intuitions that are limited by those biases, and our ability to reason, and speak. Speech allows us to program our intuition and therefore compete with our genetic biases that evolved under primitive circumstances of the pack and tribe. THere is nothing terribly magical about this process. Nor need there be. The stoics learned how to do it without superstition. The buddhists did not. There is no reason we cannot ‘train ourselves’ in stoicism on the one hand, and role playing with heroes, demigods, and gods on the other, while not understanding what it is that we do. It is far better than allowing ourselves to be constantly manipulated by priests, politicians, public intellectuals, and marketers of all kinds. Fairy tales -> Myths and Legends -> Historical Biographies -> Histories -> Legal Histories + Economic Histories + Technological Histories -> The Sciences -> Mathematics.I talk to my god every day. I largely do what he informs me. I do not however mistake his existence for his function. The simpleton cannot do such a thing. But he can worship nature, ancestors, and not be taught lies.
October 17th, 2018 11:44 AM THIS OATH IS VERY CLOSE TO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE OPTIMUM RELIGION [I] think of it (the oath) as christians do the lord’s prayer (oath of fealty) https://propertarianinstitute.com/2017/11/12/the-oath-of-transcendent-man-a-pagan-a-christian-an-aryan-a-warrior-a-man-transcendent/
October 17th, 2018 11:42 AM SOLVING RELIGION: THE ULTIMATE TEST OF AGENCY [S]olving religion was the hardest problem. Truth was trivial by comparison. The reason being that we are less invested in truth (reason) than we are in intuitions (training). I solved religion. The question is, what can be done about it for the masses, when the purpose of faith is to circumvent reason and to relieve the individual of all sorts of calculation, particularly STATUS (self image), which is the human’s instinctual accounting system. So, people malinvest in religions (wisdom narratives) for the purpose of cognitive and signaling discounts, and as such they defend their malinvestments like they defend all forms of investment (property). Hence why religion is the ultimate test of Agency.
October 17th, 2018 11:32 AM LAW AND THE LIMITS TO WISDOM LITERATURE (CULTS)
—“I’m concerned that you are unwilling to allow anything outside of your materialist paradigm Curt.”— Claire Rae Randall
No, I am limiting the imaginary (Fictions) to the non-harmful. 😉 I write about the science and LAW of religion. What religions emerge from the science and consequential LAW is not something that terribly much bothers me. It just can’t be as destructive as the abrahamic religions, or as limiting as the hindu or buddhist, but must do the opposite: provide ability to act, rather than escape. Stoicism + Mythology + Literature + History will work. I WRITE SCIENCE OF LAW (TRUTH). It is a via-negativa. A set of LIMITS. WHat people do within those limits is simply another market for productive, fully informed (truthful), warrantied, voluntary exchange, absent imposition upon the accumulated intersets of others by externality. That which is OUTSIDE of the law violates one of those tests.
October 17th, 2018 11:01 AM RELIGIOUS JUSTIFICATION (EXCUSE) VS SCIENTIFIC FALSIFICATION (SURVIVAL)
—“Accepting scientific authority without conducting the experiments and doing the research yourself is an expression of faith.”— Clay Caldwell
[L]ikewise, accepting supernatural authority without direct, testifiable, experience of the people and events, and miracles(magic) is an act of faith. Whereas due diligence in science is an effort to disprove a theory, not prove one. we cannot prove science. We can only find possibilities and seek to falsify them until we can’t. When we can’t falsify them (because of coherence, consistency, and correspondence, and explanatory power, and parsimony) then we have to admit to ourselves that it’s likely true. So it’s not true that one has ‘faith in science’ but one simply does the hard work of falsifying our fantasies such that only that which we cannot make false remains – that’s the entire point of scientific research: to perform due diligence against your imagination, by producing measurements that eliminate the possibility of your imaginings. The problem is that one can read either the research or other’s fictionalism or sensationalism of that research. And it takes great knowledge to understand such research, while only takes the mind of a child to understand mythology by intuition and imitation. So knowledge < wisdom < parable describe a means of graceful failure from those who possess knowledge and ability to those that possess neither. We can train people’s intuition many ways, and it turns out that abrahamic religion, like marxism, postmodernism, and feminism, is just the worst way possible.
October 17th, 2018 CURT: CAN A SANE PERSON HAVE FAITH?
—“Curt, is it possible for a man to believe in Christian doctrine without being a borderline schizophrenic or a closet atheist with personal issues? Can a sane man of at least average intelligence believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God in good faith?”— Scott Cameron
[W]ell, this confuses Sanity with Agency. Can a sane man do so? Well, evidence that sane and insane people do so. The question is can a man possessed of Agency do so? I mean, for all intents and purposes I ‘believe’ in the characters of history although they are constructed through recursive narrative improvement into myths. That does not stop me, but helps me refer to them (imitate them) in disposition, frame of mind, and method of problem solving. The question is, whether you are imitating a history, a myth, or an occult version of whatever it is, and the assumptions you have about the universe when you imitate each of those criteria. Ergo: are you Relying on Knowledge (techne/history), Seeking Wisdom (general rules), or Seeking false comfort (falsehoods)? Christians tend to make pretty good people – a dumb christian is still a lot better than just about anything else because of its optimism (exhaustive forgiveness) which is the optimum group evolutionary strategy. I’ll refer you to this post (Oath): https://propertarianinstitute.com/2017/11/12/the-oath-of-transcendent-man-a-pagan-a-christian-an-aryan-a-warrior-a-man-transcendent/ And this paragraph:
—“I am a christian if I have adopted the teaching of christianity: 1) the eradication of hatred from the human heart. 2) the extension of kinship love to non-kin. 3) the extension of exhaustive forgiveness before punishment, enserfment, enslavement, death, or war.”—
This is the element of ‘faith’ in christianity. And it turns out to be correct: exhausting opportunities for cooperation before retaliating is the optimum cooperative strategy – there is none better. Nearly all humans (and animals) will cooperate given enough time to learn its value. Faith, in all its forms, is merely a way to circumvent problem solving when the neural (Bayesian) accounting (calculation) is beyond our capacity to reason. So faith allows us to ignore our intuitions and frustrations and calmly continue our efforts, with some semblance of piece of mind (confidence) in the outcomes. The rest of christianity is just nonsense. The act of ‘praying to’ (role playing with) a super-parent (fictional character) that you cannot lie to (omniscience) simply works by taking advantage of our innate abilities to self program our intuitions (pre rational searching). Role playing with Gods (eternal, magical), Demigods (immortal), heroes (simple superiors), and Ancestors and parents (our own heroes as children), works for the same reason talking to priests, shrinks, and friends works: if we can train ourselves not to lie to ourselves the role playing will ‘work’. We consist of a physical body, a set of physical (cognitive) biases, a set of intuitions that are limited by those biases, and our ability to reason, and speak. Speech allows us to program our intuition and therefore compete with our genetic biases that evolved under primitive circumstances of the pack and tribe. THere is nothing terribly magical about this process. Nor need there be. The stoics learned how to do it without superstition. The buddhists did not. There is no reason we cannot ‘train ourselves’ in stoicism on the one hand, and role playing with heroes, demigods, and gods on the other, while not understanding what it is that we do. It is far better than allowing ourselves to be constantly manipulated by priests, politicians, public intellectuals, and marketers of all kinds. Fairy tales -> Myths and Legends -> Historical Biographies -> Histories -> Legal Histories + Economic Histories + Technological Histories -> The Sciences -> Mathematics.I talk to my god every day. I largely do what he informs me. I do not however mistake his existence for his function. The simpleton cannot do such a thing. But he can worship nature, ancestors, and not be taught lies.
WHO OWNS THEIR SOUL (INTUITIONS AND SCRIPTS)
by Nick Heywood
—“I mean, judaism christianity and islam all but outright manufacture ignorance and deceit.—CD
From a higher cognitive position, yes.
But the [less able, lacking agency] don’t know that?!
They can’t get past their #npc’ness. [Lack of agency]
In fact? That’s a Good! #npc’s are needed.
The problem is, who owns (produces) their soul (instincts and scripts)?
Source date (UTC): 2018-10-17 12:27:00 UTC
https://propertarianism.com/2017/11/12/the-oath-of-transcendent-man-a-pagan-a-christian-an-aryan-a-warrior-a-man-transcendent/THIS OATH IS VERY CLOSE TO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE OPTIMUM RELIGION
I think of it (the oath) as christians do the lord’s prayer (oath of fealty)
https://propertarianism.com/2017/11/12/the-oath-of-transcendent-man-a-pagan-a-christian-an-aryan-a-warrior-a-man-transcendent/
Source date (UTC): 2018-10-17 11:44:00 UTC
SOLVING RELIGION: THE ULTIMATE TEST OF AGENCY
Solving religion was the hardest problem. Truth was trivial by comparison. The reason being that we are less invested in truth (reason) than we are in intuitions (training).
I solved religion. The question is, what can be done about it for the masses, when the purpose of faith is to circumvent reason and to relieve the individual of all sorts of calculation, particularly STATUS (self image), which is the human’s instinctual accounting system.
So, people malinvest in religions (wisdom narratives) for the purpose of cognitive and signaling discounts, and as such they defend their malinvestments like they defend all forms of investment (property).
Hence why religion is the ultimate test of Agency.
Source date (UTC): 2018-10-17 11:42:00 UTC