Gods don’t exist. Addicts do defend their suppliers tho. ;)-CD
—“The effect of Gods discounts the necessity of the existence of gods.”—Jim Snyder
^the correct answer.
Source date (UTC): 2019-10-30 16:02:28 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1189573292237168641
YOU HAVE IT BACKWARDS – CHRISTIANS DO NOT PROFESS P-LAW
A Christian does not profess P. A christian professes Christianity, and assists the implementation of a P-constitution, Because p is… https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=496027914327437&id=100017606988153
Source date (UTC): 2019-10-30 16:00:06 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1189572695744241664
NO, P-LAW IS NOT ‘SUPERIOR’ TO CHRISTIAN FAITH
P-Law is not ‘superior’ to Christian Faith – we have no say over such things. P-Law is compatible with Christian ethics and morality, and… https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=496027664327462&id=100017606988153
Source date (UTC): 2019-10-30 15:59:37 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1189572573782261761
THE MARKET DEMAND FOR SERVICES PROVIDED BY RELIGION
1. The market demand for personal mindfulness (Spiritualism) whether empathic-femining (theological), moral-masculine(rational), or analytic-masculine(scientific) exists, and all three demands exist for most of us. The question is, given how the various religions solved mindfulness (Stoicism-epicureanism, buddhism, hinduism, abrahamism) which produces agency (stoicism), which produces optimism (hinduism), which produces withdrawal from reality (buddhism) and which denies and escapes reality (abrahamism).
2. Religions must provide interpersonal mindfulness by creating a standard dialog, set of signals, and manners that are costly to learn and practice, but that by practicing display to others you are worthy of honest cooperation on the same terms.
3. Religions must also provide social mindfulness (limitation of fear and comfort in the ethical, and moral. These are moral rules that serve the group’s competitive strategy – and all reflect the environmental challenges of the age of transformation in which men invented religions.,
4. Religions must also provide political mindfulness (limits on political action and on rulers actions). I won’t cover each of them here.
5. Religions must also provide a group strategy – gypsy parasitism, jewish parasitism, muslim parasitism, predation and conquest, christian undermining of the truth, knowledge, reason, law, property, aristocracy by rallying the peasantry and women and slaves against all and being as expansionary as islam – to counter islam. Buddhist submission and obedience Hindu class duty and function in the ‘harmony’. Chinese hierarchical family (bureaucracy). Anglo aristocratic egalitarianism (entrepreneurship and corporation).
So 1. personal mindfulness (peace of mind), 2. interpersonal, 3. social, 4. political, 5. strategic.
All of these are served by training in stoicism and epicureanism(realism, naturalism, reciprocity, living within your means, surrounding yourself with family and friends, and insulation from competitive status signaling), training interpersonal reciprocity, social reciprocity, training in political reciprocity, and training in group strategic reciprocity.
The fact that we train people in reading, writing, arithmetic, mathematics, and the sciences, and indoctrinate them into falsehoods of marxism (class undermining), feminism(male undermining), and postmodernism (group undermining), but DON”T train them in stoic mindfulness, epicurean happiness, basic money, household finance, and accounting, basic law of contract and reciprocity, the testimony, the grammars, logics, rhetoric, and produce holidays that celebrate our seasons and heroes, thinkers, and saints is just a choice.
The only addiction christianity adds is the transformation of western paternalism of masculine aristocracy, to the feminine submission to a false god, the pretense of equality of all, and the one good thing: the feminine emulation of jesus in the extension of forgiveness instead of semitic hypersensitivity to insult and slight – we call this christian love. It’s just self virtue signaling in exchange for immunity from offense by petty people endemic among the desperate, poor and ignorant.
The real reason people rely on abrahamic religion is to disintermediate themselves from others status signals so that they can preserve mindfulness and self image despite continuous rejection. The reason we want to live in the christian world is because we are not subject to continuous rejection but continuous tolerance and forgiveness (love).
The program of the marxists, feminists, and postmodernists, is to UNDERMINE christian love from within. Undermine the faith. Undermine the ethics Generate envy and hatred between genders, classes, and identity groups, in order to sew discord that creates demand for an authoritarian state which can extract almost unlimited income from the population to resolve the conflicts that the government created.
This is all you need to understand about (a) religion, (b) christianity in politics (c) how we can state christianity in legal terms, (d) how we can teach stoicism and epicureanism and history and truth rather than semitic lies, and (e) how we are undermined because christians will not fight the enemy.
Source date (UTC): 2019-10-30 12:26:00 UTC
THE CONTINUOUS GERMANIZATION OF CHRISTIANITY
—“Protestantism happened because christianity was never a perfect fit for us. The normal evolution of our civilization was disrupted when we encountered civilizations more developed. We had writing and metallurgy, but our stories and myths hadn’t become a codified law and spiritual system. It’s time for us to do this; it’s long overdue.”— Andrew M Gilmour
Source date (UTC): 2019-10-30 12:24:00 UTC
ARGUMENTUM AD THEOLOGICUM
(yes it’s possible. it’s just almost impossible)
We all defend our investments. it’s irrational to think we won’t defend our investments. As long as that’s what we’re doing, it’s not ir-reciprocal.
In my understanding, theology is just one of the grammars. it’s both conflationary, and fictionalist, using the supernatural fictionalism, but that doesn’t mean statements within it can’t be disambiguated, de-fictionalized, operationalized, and converted to statements of physical and natural law.
We only come into conflcit when the disambiguated, defictionalized, operationalized, and tested for reciprocity exposes an involuntary transfer.
When disambiguating, defictionalizing, nd operationalizing we take for granted we can test for:
(a) identity (b) internal consistency, (c) rational choice, (d) and reciprocal rational choice, and possibly (e) full accounting …
… Even if we cannot test for (f) external correspondence, (g) operational possibility, and (h) parsimony.
… And within reciprocity we may test for (j) productivity, (k) voluntary transfer of demonstrated interests, and (l) involuntary transfer by externality, (m) and whether one has performed that due diligence, and (n ) whether one can perform restitution.
So it’s not like we can’t largely test theological words. It’s mostly whether any argument demanding deduction that is dependent upon theological terms is possible. In other words, it may be possible to make ethical statements in theology it is however, extremely difficult to make arguments from them. It’s not impossible. It just appears very uncommon.
There are many true and reciprocal statements in theology.
There are very few if any true and reciprocal arguments.
That’s the nature of the problem of fictional premises.
Not much to do about it.
Source date (UTC): 2019-10-30 12:23:00 UTC
I love christian manners: “god bless you” et all. I am equally happy with ‘the gods’ instead of ‘god’, and equally unhappy and hostile to the other semitic gods. I love christian ethics. and I love christian behavior. And I love the church experience. And i love its role in birth, adulthood, marriage, care-taking, suffering, and death. I wish it still retained juris over the matters of the family.
And My experience with education by the church was far superior to that of the state – by orders of magnitude. Personally I would prefer a military experience more suitable to males. And I know some would value sports, or arts, or commercial experiences. And I know I would prefer to find old gods, heroes, artists, scientists, and saints in my Church with Jesus but one among them. And I would find prayer to them more valuable than to those I find feminine. And yes I would prefer the stoic method of discipline rather than submission to a semitic god. I would prefer we celebrate love our heathen(nature) and pagan(masculine) as well as christian (feminine) holidays.
But that said, while there are many good social and personal consequences of the religion, christianity failed us politically – it had to – the church could not survive the restoration of aristotelianism and its consequences no matter how hard the theologians tried.
And worse, the church failed to reform. And the catholic church’s pope has now our declared the church our enemy. Orthodoxy is too weak in the west. Protestantism thankfully has evolved into a folk religion, especially with the advent of American evangelicals. I think I understand where this will lead and it is beautiful.
But first we must solve real problems that are unavoidable: ending another conquest by hostile alien political systems masquerading as religions. Ending the destruction of our civilization by the second attempt at undermining us using the abrahamic methods of deceit – this time in secular prose, as well as fundamentalist semitic prose. And second we must solve the failure of our religion to merge the aristotelian-legal, moral-rational-political, masculine religion, and feminine religion.
I can only describe the problem I do not have the skill or talent or mind to provide a solution other than the incentives for others with appropriate skills and talents, to bring a religious system across that spectrum into fruition. Although maybe if I live long enough it will be possible.
Source date (UTC): 2019-10-30 12:23:00 UTC
TWO ANSWERS ON RELIGION
—“You are clearly analyzing religion as some kind of intentional civilization building thing rather than a set of existential beliefs that individuals possess in light of the full human ignorance of the origins and purpose of reality.”—John Marshall
A) Yes I understand human demand for mindfulness. I simply observe that this particular means of mindfulness is catastrophically destructive, and that there are scientific and philosophical means of achieving the same ends, without the same side effects. So did the conquering christians – which is why they closed all the stoic schools, and killed or chased off the philosophers, and destroyed the arts letters and architecture of the ancient world – to prevent men from independence they would gain by stoic training, and epicurean lifestyles, rather than abrahamic mindfulness submission and slavery.
B) You don’t think each and every institutional religion was designed to employ suggestion, empathy, and false promise as a means of coercing primitive illiterate ignorant petty people into a politically beneficial behavior?
I mean, I’m pretty well read on the development of every religion and by and large there isn’t any difference between the development of a logic, a science, a philosophy, a work of literature, a work of mythology, and a theology. it’s all engineering the human experience by a combination of techniques.
There is no difference between the script writer and director provoking an experience, than that of Saul of Tarsus trying merge the various Roman, Greek, Persian, Mesopotamian religions into a jewish rebel’s narrative, in order to replace the primary religious works of the Mediterranean (Homer and Achilles), with an anti-hero (Abraham and Jesus).
The fact that we desire the provisions of science, history, literature, philosophy, and theology and that we have produced religions for different classes in every civilization except islam is rather obvious. it’s just that the underclasses are better governed by theological superstition, the middle by philosophical sophism, and the upper by exercise of power, is nothing more than evidence of the need for a system of achievement accessible to classes possessed of different degrees of agency. Escapism and supernaturalism; justification and sophism; empiricism and power.
You need to feel you aren’t manipulated by those with greater agency – I understand.It’s just false.
Religion largely provides sedation as a means of mindfulness, while buddhism, stoicism, and wisdom(science, history) incrementally provide mindfulness by providing one with agency – rather than sedation.
Just because drugs feel good doesn’t mean that they are good for you. Just because theology makes you feel good doesn’t mean it is good for you. Just because lying feels good doesn’t mean it is good for you.
Source date (UTC): 2019-10-30 12:22:00 UTC
IT’S BECAUSE BAD RELIGIONS LIE AND LAG, GOOD RELIGIONS USE TRUTH AND LEAD
—“All religions are made up bullshit to control people”—Joanna
Hmmm… Let’s look at this:
PERSONAL DEMAND
. Demand for personal mindfulness
. . Demand for interpersonal mindfulness
. . . Demand for social mindfulness
. . . . Demand for political mindfulness
POLITICAL DEMAND
.. organization (control, conflict suppression)
.. .. vs educate (helpful system of measurement)
.. .. .. vs create a polity (helpful system of measurement)
.. .. .. .. vs create a justification for conquest (not so helpful)
TECHNOLOGICAL DEMAND
…Religion (oral parable) is the optimum means of education prior to writing.
… … Organized religion (written parable) is dependent upon writing and argument, but not literacy
… … … Natural Law is dependent upon literacy, logic and science.
CURRENT CONDITION
So yeah, but they were the only technology available.
We have
… Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (Repair)
… … Self Authoring Virtues (Stoic Method) (improve)
… … … Self Choice (epicureanism – living well within means)
… … … … Natural law of Reciprocity, Independent Judiciary
… … … … … History, Reason, science, technology, prosperity.
CURRENT TECHNOLOGY
And we can use:
… Heroic History of Western (or man’s) Ascent
… … Stoic Ritual, Hero/Saint ‘worship’ (thanks, counsel)
… … … Religion: Lesson (history), Play (ritual), Thanks (worship, prayer), Oath(promise), Feast (communal reward), Festival (communal celebration), Sport (community bonding).
… … … … Civic Participation: Family, Jury, Commons Production, emergency service production; Hospitaliers Production, and Defense (war) production.
… … … … … The Natural Law of Reciprocity, an independent judiciary, and a jury of our peers.
REASON
… Because we have ancestors worthy of our debt to them, and because we can create (easily) our debt to one another.
STRATEGY
“Embrace, conquer, and domesticate reality – together – do not cower from it.”
Source date (UTC): 2019-10-30 12:20:00 UTC
WHY IS CURT GOING EASY ON RELIGION NOW?
The reason I’m more accommodating lately is because my work on investigating religion, education, and government is done, it’s just a matter of updating the constitution, switching our daily discourse to advocacy of that constitution and it’s solutions. I’m sorry having your sacred cows questioned so aggressively (prosecutorally) whether theological, philosophical, sophomoric, normative, or pseudoscientific was painful – but that’s what prosecutors do: falsify everything possible so that only the truth remains. Once the truth is understood, then we can search for compromises while motioning the truth between us. This is what we all need, and it’s a condition we all prefer, but we are always trying to ‘get a better deal by hook or by crook’ and sorry – everything is a reciprocal exchange.
Source date (UTC): 2019-10-30 12:18:00 UTC