My kingdom. May be only my mind. May be only my self May be only my family. May be only my business. May be only my army May be only my polity. And sovereign in all And king in as many as I can be. And bring deprivation, suffering and death to any who seek my submission.
Any description of any political system must include a population model, an economic model, a commons producing model. If you can’t state all three of those, then you aren’t stating anything that makes any sense at all.
Any description of any political system must include a population model, an economic model, a commons producing model. If you can’t state all three of those, then you aren’t stating anything that makes any sense at all.
—“The Conan the Barbarian stories are interesting, especially when he is confronted with a wizard who has the ability to cast spells to control minds. The warrior is often arrayed against the wizard, and he may wish that wizards didn’t exist, but wizards do exist, and they are a force to be reckoned with.”— Bill Anderson
photos_and_videos/your_posts/34324888_10156399886852264_1418466417551867904_n_10156399886847264.jpg Scott ThroneAgreed. There are only 2 options for the genuinely noble to impose the correct positions.
Words
Warfare
When words absolutely stop being effective. When reason stops swaying people. When basic moral principles cannot be argued for to the masses. When basic reality becomes “hate”. When the unreasonable (that can never be reasoned with) vastly outnumber the reasonable. When you have huge portions of the pupulace demanding for their own enslavement and believing they are noble for doing so.
Words are over. Talking is done. Nothing more needs said.
I totally agree.Jun 03, 2018 11:59amRichard NikoleyThat was intended to expose you, Curt.Jun 03, 2018 2:44pmCurt DoolittleYou can’t be doxxed if you’re shouting from a mountaintop. You can only be promoted.Jun 03, 2018 3:12pmNeil A. Bucklewnever counter signal what must be done.Jun 03, 2018 3:16pmRichard NikoleyEveryone can easily find my home address. I even give it out to pussy boys now and then right in comments, to shut their pussy boy mouths.Jun 03, 2018 3:49pmHoward Van Der KlauwCan the war be accomplished through law or has that horse bolted?Jun 03, 2018 4:37pmScott ThroneWe are about to find out in Europe. More and more nationalists and right-wingers/anti-immigration parties and candidates are winning.
I hope for a legalistic solution.
I doubt one however.Jun 03, 2018 4:40pmHoward Van Der KlauwScott law is de facto violence. The law pendulum has swung a long way towards permissiveness and away from retribution. It will be interesting to see whether the pendulum swings back (with or without a bit of a push). Me Too for instance can potentially swing law in one of two directions. There are now calls to relax defamation laws so that people can make public unsubstantiated allegations without repercussions. Some people also want a relaxation in standards of evidence when there is only two conflicted testimonies available.Jun 03, 2018 4:45pmScott ThroneI know. Legalistic Warfare by the proxy of the State is still warfare. It’s still violent and still potentially deadly.
I do not however, see a legalistic solution without wide spread civil war. The “forces” are too entrenched.
It won’t be settled in a court or at a Senate.
It will be settled on the street and in the field.
I hope the West is not too far gone to solve this without barbarism and brutality. I just doubt it to be true.Jun 03, 2018 4:57pmRadu M Oleniuc”And when we thought Liberty simply and solely can create civilization, we were bitterly wrong, because civilization creates liberty, and not the other way around” – P.P. Carp, a Romanian Conservative, in 1879.
”Și când noi am gândit că libertatea pur și simplu poate crea civilizațiunea, ne-am înșelat amar, căci civilizațiunea creează libertatea, iar nu libertatea civilizațiunea.” (P.P Carp, 1879)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=920393444638483&set=a.156953574315811.35814.100000035095938&type=3&theaterJun 03, 2018 7:51pmScott ThroneLiberty is the prize.
Not the strategy.
This is why Libertarianism is insufficient,Jun 03, 2018 7:53pmGenevieve HarrisPhilip i think this is the one i was talking aboutJun 03, 2018 8:40pm
photos_and_videos/TimelinePhotos_43196237263/34324888_10156399886852264_1418466417551867904_n_10156399886847264.jpg Dmitry NikolovJun 03, 2018 9:25amScott ThroneAgreed. There are only 2 options for the genuinely noble to impose the correct positions.
Words
Warfare
When words absolutely stop being effective. When reason stops swaying people. When basic moral principles cannot be argued for to the masses. When basic reality becomes “hate”. When the unreasonable (that can never be reasoned with) vastly outnumber the reasonable. When you have huge portions of the pupulace demanding for their own enslavement and believing they are noble for doing so.
Words are over. Talking is done. Nothing more needs said.
I totally agree.Jun 03, 2018 11:59amRichard NikoleyThat was intended to expose you, Curt.Jun 03, 2018 2:44pmCurt DoolittleYou can’t be doxxed if you’re shouting from a mountaintop. You can only be promoted.Jun 03, 2018 3:12pmNeil A. Bucklewnever counter signal what must be done.Jun 03, 2018 3:16pmRichard NikoleyEveryone can easily find my home address. I even give it out to pussy boys now and then right in comments, to shut their pussy boy mouths.Jun 03, 2018 3:49pmHoward Van Der KlauwCan the war be accomplished through law or has that horse bolted?Jun 03, 2018 4:37pmScott ThroneWe are about to find out in Europe. More and more nationalists and right-wingers/anti-immigration parties and candidates are winning.
I hope for a legalistic solution.
I doubt one however.Jun 03, 2018 4:40pmHoward Van Der Klauw@[100022007057096:2048:Scott] law is de facto violence. The law pendulum has swung a long way towards permissiveness and away from retribution. It will be interesting to see whether the pendulum swings back (with or without a bit of a push). Me Too for instance can potentially swing law in one of two directions. There are now calls to relax defamation laws so that people can make public unsubstantiated allegations without repercussions. Some people also want a relaxation in standards of evidence when there is only two conflicted testimonies available.Jun 03, 2018 4:45pmScott ThroneI know. Legalistic Warfare by the proxy of the State is still warfare. It’s still violent and still potentially deadly.
I do not however, see a legalistic solution without wide spread civil war. The “forces” are too entrenched.
It won’t be settled in a court or at a Senate.
It will be settled on the street and in the field.
I hope the West is not too far gone to solve this without barbarism and brutality. I just doubt it to be true.Jun 03, 2018 4:57pmRadu M Oleniuc”And when we thought Liberty simply and solely can create civilization, we were bitterly wrong, because civilization creates liberty, and not the other way around” – P.P. Carp, a Romanian Conservative, in 1879.
”Și când noi am gândit că libertatea pur și simplu poate crea civilizațiunea, ne-am înșelat amar, căci civilizațiunea creează libertatea, iar nu libertatea civilizațiunea.” (P.P Carp, 1879)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=920393444638483&set=a.156953574315811.35814.100000035095938&type=3&theaterJun 03, 2018 7:51pmScott ThroneLiberty is the prize.
Not the strategy.
This is why Libertarianism is insufficient,Jun 03, 2018 7:53pmGenevieve Harris@[100003168052955:2048:Philip] i think this is the one i was talking aboutJun 03, 2018 8:40pm
SOVEREIGNTY, LIBERTY, FREEDOM, AND MARKETS FOR SURVIVAL OF A POLITY
Sovereignty in fact – because a group has enough capacity for violence to produce sovereignty over the will or ability of any and all competitors.
Liberty by request – because a group does not have enough capacity for violence to produce sovereignty, but can purchase liberty with fees (taxes).
Freedom by permission – because an individual has too little violence to produce sovereignty, and too little violence to request liberty, but can purchase freedom through non-interference and payment of fees (taxes).
Sovereignty is produced as a commons(Polity/Executive).
Liberty is produced as a commons(Business/Managerial).
Freedom is given to produce commons (Trades/Labor).
Serfdom is imposed to produce commons at cost(Labor).
Slavery is imposed to produce commons at high cost(labor).
Whether one demonstrates a condition of Sovereignty(Aristocracy: Polity/Territory), Liberty(Citizen : capital), or freedom (Freeman: body), the production of such must be constructed top down: from commons to degree of property ownership (responsibility) since while it is most productive to have the greatest distribution of property, it is also most productive to limit the distribution of property to those who produce commons.
Since productivity determines the ability for a polity to compete for sovereignty and territory the distribution of property therefore productivity and responsibility is determined by competitive necessity versus the abilities of the population.
Hence the need for growth to defeat the red queen of technology and productivity, against men, and to defeat the red queen of evolution (or devolution, or extinction).
UPDATE.
I have just finished editing the second draft of “Sovereignty: Reforming Libertarianism”. It’s 235 pages. I have a little work to do on the first page (introduction) that I will finish in the next day or two – I’m a little drained at the moment.
Last summer I extracted this work from the “big book”, when I understood it was simply too big, wold distract from the work because of it, and as such required a separate treatment.
For the vast majority of people who will conduct arguments in the space, and reposition sovereignty under natural law as a successor to classical liberalism and libertarianism, this book is ‘enough’.
At present the big book (“Truth”) is still hovering at 900 pages and will clearly take me over 1000, for the simple reason that my sections on grammar are nearly 100 pages.
This bigger book will be overwhelming. it is overwhelming to me. It is something that will be studied. Studied for years perhaps. It’s literally an encyclopedia of thought on every discipline.
In publishing this shorter work first, I will run the risk of releasing something incomplete that may weaken the opportunity for the later work – because by its brevity it will not include the very technical aspects of my work, nor the rather vast series of essays on every subject..
But I feel it will fulfill the market need that we (all of us) have created until I can get the major work out the door (which is a crushing bit of work).
And I do feel the ‘collective demand’ so to speak.
Hopefully this shorter work will provide a stepping stone for you all to work with and at least in my most optimistic dreams, it will reduce the burden.
I have not approached publishers yet. I have my own biases but I’m open to suggestions from the community.
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute.
Kiev, Ukraine.
UPDATE.
I have just finished editing the second draft of “Sovereignty: Reforming Libertarianism”. It’s 235 pages. I have a little work to do on the first page (introduction) that I will finish in the next day or two – I’m a little drained at the moment.
Last summer I extracted this work from the “big book”, when I understood it was simply too big, wold distract from the work because of it, and as such required a separate treatment.
For the vast majority of people who will conduct arguments in the space, and reposition sovereignty under natural law as a successor to classical liberalism and libertarianism, this book is ‘enough’.
At present the big book (“Truth”) is still hovering at 900 pages and will clearly take me over 1000, for the simple reason that my sections on grammar are nearly 100 pages.
This bigger book will be overwhelming. it is overwhelming to me. It is something that will be studied. Studied for years perhaps. It’s literally an encyclopedia of thought on every discipline.
In publishing this shorter work first, I will run the risk of releasing something incomplete that may weaken the opportunity for the later work – because by its brevity it will not include the very technical aspects of my work, nor the rather vast series of essays on every subject..
But I feel it will fulfill the market need that we (all of us) have created until I can get the major work out the door (which is a crushing bit of work).
And I do feel the ‘collective demand’ so to speak.
Hopefully this shorter work will provide a stepping stone for you all to work with and at least in my most optimistic dreams, it will reduce the burden.
I have not approached publishers yet. I have my own biases but I’m open to suggestions from the community.
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute.
Kiev, Ukraine.