(FB 1546961670 Timestamp) YES, PROPERTARIANISM SOLVES THE SUSTAINABILITY PROBLEM. —-“I just realized that Propertarianism solves the problem of sustainability. A propertarian society would prevent over-consumption of resources since to do so would be parasitic upon future generations (and/or on neighbouring states/groups). You’ve done it. Solved a major problem in ecology.”— Alba Rising
Category: Natural Law and Reciprocity
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1547131714 Timestamp) QUESTIONS: FREE MARKET VS RECIPROCAL CAPITALISM by âNoah J Revoyâ Let’s compare the trope “Free Markets” of Free Market Capitalism with “Reciprocal Markets”, of Reciprocal Market Capitalism. Or stated differently, lets compare the IDEAL good of free markets regardless of externality – particularly knowledge, fixed, cultural, and genetic capital, with the MEASURED good of reciprocal markets under rule of law that prohibits the consumption privatization, or destruction, of such precious capital. QUESTIONS: 1. How would you describe the differences between Reciprocal Capitalism as proposed under a propertarianism model and Free Market Capitalism as promoted by libertarians?
What problems does Reciprocal Capitalism solve (vs Free Markets)?
What are the libertarians missing?
How could Reciprocal Capitalism help solve some of the moderate lefts concerns about markets?
Both the left and the right have problems with the current “Free Market Capitalism” as practiced in the west. (Free market is a poor descriptor as its not truly free and often not even a real set of markets).
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1547131714 Timestamp) QUESTIONS: FREE MARKET VS RECIPROCAL CAPITALISM by âNoah J Revoyâ Let’s compare the trope “Free Markets” of Free Market Capitalism with “Reciprocal Markets”, of Reciprocal Market Capitalism. Or stated differently, lets compare the IDEAL good of free markets regardless of externality – particularly knowledge, fixed, cultural, and genetic capital, with the MEASURED good of reciprocal markets under rule of law that prohibits the consumption privatization, or destruction, of such precious capital. QUESTIONS: 1. How would you describe the differences between Reciprocal Capitalism as proposed under a propertarianism model and Free Market Capitalism as promoted by libertarians?
What problems does Reciprocal Capitalism solve (vs Free Markets)?
What are the libertarians missing?
How could Reciprocal Capitalism help solve some of the moderate lefts concerns about markets?
Both the left and the right have problems with the current “Free Market Capitalism” as practiced in the west. (Free market is a poor descriptor as its not truly free and often not even a real set of markets).
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1547242782 Timestamp) EVERYTHING ROTHBARD SAYS IS A LIE
- Rothbard and Hoppe always start with some artificial moral license to property rather than that property produces a division of labor that is more rewarding than predation (for the able) and is the only reason for the able to cooperate, and the only means of cooperation at scale.
In the Free Rider Problem, the answer is that if you are a free rider you are consuming opportunity and resources that could by replaced by those who DO contribute to the commons that they benefit from. This is in fact what people demonstrably do: outcast free riders.
We inherit the investments of our ancestors we do not free ride upon them because they are ours by inheritance, in exchange for persisting the genes, civilization, culture and investments of those previous generations, just as we hope following generations will preserve ours.
—“must therefore be supplied outside the free market, by the coercive force of the government”– No, it is because it is an unsubstitutable good. There is no restitution for lost life nor substitution for risk of life. NONE.
… I can’t even continue refuting rothbard because it makes me so angry that we have lost two generations to (((more lies))). EVERYTHING ROTHBARD SAYS IS A (((LIE))) DEFENDED BY A HALF TRUTH, AND APPEAL TO REASONABLENESS. …. EVERYTHING. YES, ….. EVERYTHING. Rothbard is only useful in so far as we can study his excellence at Straw Manning, Undue Praise, Pilpul and Critique, and by that study, understand why we moral men are vulnerable to that category of (((lies))). It’s just lies. ROTHBARD IS JUST (((A LIAR))) THAT SUCKERS MIDDLE CLASS YOUNG MEN, LIKE MARXISM WORKING CLASS MEN, LIKE POSTMODERNISM WOMEN AND NON-MEN. Everything he says is false. Study rothbard to learn how to lie, so that we can end lying to our people.
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1547242138 Timestamp) One can have an interests in the criminally obtained, or the reciprocaly obtained, or obtained by homesteading (creating). Potential Property consists in those interests that have been obtained under the natural law of reciprocity. Property by norm consists of that which others agree not to impose costs upon. Property rights consist of that which is not only norm but insured by a third party to whom you may appeal for enforcement. It is not JUST that one demonstrates property by what he defends – he demonstrates INTEREST by what he defends, but he cannot defend an interest that which was produced by crime or deceit without violating the natural law of reciprocity. I think what seems circular to you is that you’re not starting with reciprocity first, then evolving property from it, and instead, trying to (impossibly) evolve reciprocity from interest. Reciprocity > demonstrated interest > agreement on scope (property) > insurance of scope (rights)
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1547241878 Timestamp) PROPERTARIANISM: The Power to Deny Power.
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1547242782 Timestamp) EVERYTHING ROTHBARD SAYS IS A LIE
- Rothbard and Hoppe always start with some artificial moral license to property rather than that property produces a division of labor that is more rewarding than predation (for the able) and is the only reason for the able to cooperate, and the only means of cooperation at scale.
In the Free Rider Problem, the answer is that if you are a free rider you are consuming opportunity and resources that could by replaced by those who DO contribute to the commons that they benefit from. This is in fact what people demonstrably do: outcast free riders.
We inherit the investments of our ancestors we do not free ride upon them because they are ours by inheritance, in exchange for persisting the genes, civilization, culture and investments of those previous generations, just as we hope following generations will preserve ours.
—“must therefore be supplied outside the free market, by the coercive force of the government”– No, it is because it is an unsubstitutable good. There is no restitution for lost life nor substitution for risk of life. NONE.
… I can’t even continue refuting rothbard because it makes me so angry that we have lost two generations to (((more lies))). EVERYTHING ROTHBARD SAYS IS A (((LIE))) DEFENDED BY A HALF TRUTH, AND APPEAL TO REASONABLENESS. …. EVERYTHING. YES, ….. EVERYTHING. Rothbard is only useful in so far as we can study his excellence at Straw Manning, Undue Praise, Pilpul and Critique, and by that study, understand why we moral men are vulnerable to that category of (((lies))). It’s just lies. ROTHBARD IS JUST (((A LIAR))) THAT SUCKERS MIDDLE CLASS YOUNG MEN, LIKE MARXISM WORKING CLASS MEN, LIKE POSTMODERNISM WOMEN AND NON-MEN. Everything he says is false. Study rothbard to learn how to lie, so that we can end lying to our people.
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1547242138 Timestamp) One can have an interests in the criminally obtained, or the reciprocaly obtained, or obtained by homesteading (creating). Potential Property consists in those interests that have been obtained under the natural law of reciprocity. Property by norm consists of that which others agree not to impose costs upon. Property rights consist of that which is not only norm but insured by a third party to whom you may appeal for enforcement. It is not JUST that one demonstrates property by what he defends – he demonstrates INTEREST by what he defends, but he cannot defend an interest that which was produced by crime or deceit without violating the natural law of reciprocity. I think what seems circular to you is that you’re not starting with reciprocity first, then evolving property from it, and instead, trying to (impossibly) evolve reciprocity from interest. Reciprocity > demonstrated interest > agreement on scope (property) > insurance of scope (rights)
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1547241878 Timestamp) PROPERTARIANISM: The Power to Deny Power.
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Curt Doolittle shared a link.
(FB 1547237304 Timestamp) GOOD LIVE STREAM ON PROPERTARIANISM Another long video chat with Brave New World Channel’ s Fred van’t Ent (I don’t know when it will be released) Very good. Recommend this one highly for skeptics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge0k-tWQCrA