Category: Commentary, Critique, and Response

  • David Gordon pretty much eviscerates Lester’s argument on Lester’s terms – which

    David Gordon pretty much eviscerates Lester’s argument on Lester’s terms – which is perhaps the most gracious way of doing so. I have a better understanding of Popper’s arguments than David so I’m producing my own criticism, not just of lester but of all cosmopolitan thinkers in the space, Lester included. It’s just odd to see someone so graceful about it.

    What I like about David’s criticism, is it shows just why non-operational, non-testimonial arguments are so open to deception. I suppose that, from Lester’s writing (and my few conversations with him) that he merely applies the ideas of popper in an autistic but uncomprehending attempt to justify libertarianism, while at the same time claiming he does not practice justification. But as Gordon points out, he uses falsification as a means of distraction in the marxist tradition rather than as a means of hardening his theories.

    Further, Popper’s arguments are warnings against the excessive use of certainty in science, where general descriptions of very causally dense theories an appear to be true (Keynesian and post-keynesian economic theory, Freudian Psychology, Cantorian Logic) but are merely useful allegories for conveying meaning. They are not scientific and therefore should not be used for the purpose of persuasion only for the purpose of conveying MEANING. Popper commits this sin everywhere. He conveys meaning, not necessity. ie: he creates meaningful narratives but rarely if ever constructs necessary arguments. Even his Critical Preference is logically but it appears not empirically true. Part of the verbalist era of logic in the early twentieth century: it is not clear that that many of our theories are erroneous, rather that they are as precise as the information we have, and that we seem to be fairly good at increasing precision via testing, even if we are not very good at increasing precision via modeling.

    More later.

    The problem is, we don’t have people in the libertarian movement capable of making these arguments. I think they exist in math and physics, but I kind of suspect that in the libertarian movement we just don’t have the talent.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-21 18:04:00 UTC

  • LESTER’S ARGUMENT STATED ANALYTICALLY So, JCL has written a paper of N pages and

    LESTER’S ARGUMENT STATED ANALYTICALLY

    So, JCL has written a paper of N pages and I’ve distilled it to this:

    PROPOSITION

    “Self identified libertarians normatively use the term liberty but cannot agree upon its meaning”

    “We assume that we can agree that the term liberty refers to an individual constraining another.”

    “We can define cost, as a decrease in satisfaction of the individual.”

    “We can deconstruct constraint into the action and the consequence.

    As such, (for some reason) we can call constraint a born cost.”

    And we can (for some reason) call causing constraint an imposed cost.”

    “The Normative use of the term Self ownership is not false by this definition, since costs born against the self cause a decrease in satisfaction”

    “The Normative use of the term Private property is not false by this definition since costs against private property cause a decrease in satisfaction”

    “Because we use this term Liberty in many cases to refer to the absence of constraint,

    and because we can operationalize constraint as an action (imposed cost) and a reaction (born cost),

    and because we are expressing these terms in words,

    then we can call it a theory.”

    “Because the normative use of the term self ownership is non contradictory,

    and because the normative use of the term private property is non contradictory

    and because the deconstruction of the term constraint into imposed costs and born costs is internally consistent,

    this theory is not contradictory.

    THEREFORE

    A state of liberty is one in which individuals do not bear decreases in satisfaction due to lost opportunities for satisfaction,

    And they do not bear costs of decreased satisfaction because of (some constraint on) private property

    And they do not bear costs of decreased satisfaction against “self ownership” because of (some constraint upon) the self,

    Therefore since our extant terminology is internally consistent,

    then our theory is not false,

    and our theory does not depend upon morality, property, or property rights, only subjective experience of decreased satisfaction.

    ANALYSIS AND CRITICISM

    This argument changes the point of view to that of the individual instead of that of the jurist. Libertarian arguments are generally structured from the point of view of the jurist: the problem of decidability.

    Lester’s position is to some degree a novel argument in that libertarian theory has generally been predicated upon the institutional problem of expressing rules that can be adjudicable under law.

    While his is a novel point of view, if we must return to the question of positive assertions expressible in law, we are left with defining the scope of property, defining the scope of property rights, and the means of violating those rights. Nothing is solved for us.

    Traditional arguments assume violations of property cause individual dissatisfaction, and consider the problem of decidability as to whether a violation has occurred or not. Lester’s theory articulates the individual’s experience (point of view) instead of the jurors point of view. However this theory does not solve the problem of categorizing just what the individual feels loss in regard to, which is the central problem of WHAT violations are open to resolution in court and which are not.

    Or more precisely, what divides low trust “libertine” rothbardian ethics and his prohibition on ‘criminal’ behavior, from high trust ‘western’ ethics and the prohibition against criminal, unethical, immoral and conspiratorial behavior. Nor the fact that it is irrational for individuals to choose high transaction cost, low trust polities where there remains high demand for the state to suppress retaliation for unethical, immoral, and conspiratorial behavior. As such no libertarian polity can rationally form under rothbardian low trust ethics.

    As such, while it is true that individuals prefer not to bear lost satisfaction because of the constraints of others, the problem remains one of property and property rights: what prohibitions, expressed as positive rights, must be defined in order for the rational formation of a voluntary polity in the absence of an authority to suppress retaliation against criminal, unethical, immoral, and conspiratorial behavior. The problem is not in clarifying the reason for the individual, since this has always been assumed, but in what property rights are adjudicable under law such that a state free of constraints that cause decreased satisfaction ***CAN*** exist.

    His argument then while novel, is irrelevant, because it has always been assumed. The question is not the experience of the individual, but what actions we can take to construct institutions formal and informal. What contract can we construct in law? What can and cannot be resolved in court?

    Why? Because humans ACT MORALLY, and therefore will retaliate aggressively against criminal, ethical, moral and conspiratorial violations. As such we must address which disputes are necessary to prevent retaliation. While we all agree that loss of satisfaction is ‘bad’, that doesnt tell us what losses of satisfaction are those we are willing to insure, and which are we NOT willing to insure? Since that is what the formal institution of law does: provide insurance that disputes can be resolved.

    So we can state that:

    – man’s moral intuitions result in normative moral rules,

    – and that testable, and therefore true, moral rules are universally articulable as prohibitions on involuntary transfer (imposed costs, free riding),

    – and that such moral rules can be universally articulated as property rights.

    – That all such rights are adjudicable under organic (common) polycentric law.

    – That ostensibly moral rules that are not articulable as property rights are categorically unnecessary morals, merely signals signals, and not necessary morals.

    – That some groups demonstrate higher moral suppression of imposed costs than other groups, and that some groups are therefore qualitatively more moral than other groups.

    THE SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENT

    Moral intuitions against free riding evolved in parallel with cooperation and antecedent to liberty, since liberty required cooperative organizations which of necessity developed consequent to morality. Without moral rules, cooperation is undesirable and impossible.

    Liberty is merely the name for our original evolutionary moral constraint applied to members of organizations capable of exercising power.

    You have correctly identified the causal property of morality (imposed cost). You have correctly articulated an additional point of view. But perhaps failed to grasp that liberty is merely an application of moral prohibitions and nothing more. And that moral intuition, imposed costs, demonstrated property, and sufficient expression of property rights to make unnecessary retaliatory actions, since all retaliatory actions are expressible as property rights.

    The reason Rothbard chose his method of defining property and morality (aggression) was that as a cosmopolitan he wanted to preserve the prohibition on retaliation for immoral action, thus licensing immoral action. The question is, why would he do that?


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-17 20:30:00 UTC

  • HELP? Anyone want to tell my why this is terribly difficult to comprehend? It’s

    HELP?

    Anyone want to tell my why this is terribly difficult to comprehend? It’s about as dumbed down as I can make it, and apparently it’s not dumbed down enough….

    JCL: In a short sentence, what problem are you trying to solve?

    CD: I want to know if you have solved the question of the definition of private property expressible in law that is necessary for the formation of a voluntary property. I think not.

    JCL: In a short sentence, what solution do you propose?

    CD: That law must mirror high-trust morality, and that morality is defined as a prohibition on imposed costs (parasitism, free riding, et al), leaving only productive, fully informed, warrantied, voluntary exchange free of externality. Conversely, that Rothbardian property (intersubjectively verifiable private property) provides insufficient scope of dispute resolution for the formation of a voluntary polity in the absence of demand for the state. People will demand a state in low trust polities. They do.

    JCL: In a short sentence, how do you think my theory of liberty is relevant–if it is?

    CD: While you have correctly stated the subjective point of view, this does not resolve the problem of obtaining consensus on the necessary scope of property rights, expressed in law, that are required for the rational formation of a voluntary property. (It is apparently not important or clear to you that morality is synonymous with your definition of liberty. This does not matter in your line of reasoning. It matters in determining the scope of rights defined in the law, since humans retaliate against unethical and immoral action, and people demonstrate demand for authoritarian states to suppress retaliation in low trust societies.)

    JCL: In a short sentence, what is mistaken about my theory of liberty?

    CD: As you intend it, nothing. However it does not solve the problem facing libertarians unless it is actionable; and it remains in-actionable without a consensus on the scope of property rights that must be articulated in law. There is nothing erroneous about your theoretical definition of the experience of liberty. But the experience you describe is insufficient for the solution of the problem of decidability.

    I reached the same conclusion that you did, but I did so by asking a different question: what scope of dispute resolution is necessary to eliminate demand for the state as a suppressor of retaliation or an enforcer of rules. And I looked to the evidence.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-17 20:19:00 UTC

  • (Today) “Who is Curt Doolittle and what is he doing to libertarianism?” I’m the

    (Today) “Who is Curt Doolittle and what is he doing to libertarianism?”

    I’m the person who is gutting immoral libertinism, and make it intellectually embarrassing to mention the name rothbard, non aggression, and open borders, so that we can return liberty to the high trust society where it came from.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-17 17:35:00 UTC

  • Untitled

    Reclaiming Conservatism from Libertarians


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-16 19:37:00 UTC

  • MUCH WORTH VIEWING ( I really appreciate Peter’s work in keeping the Austrian ap

    http://new.livestream.com/RethinkNY/reny2014/videos/62102827VERY MUCH WORTH VIEWING

    ( I really appreciate Peter’s work in keeping the Austrian approach alive given the absurdity of the Misesian-Rothbardian abuse of it – even if he remains a universalist. lol)


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-16 16:31:00 UTC

  • Untitled

    http://nationalreview.com/%2Farticles%2F269428%2Fpaul-krugman-prophet-socialism-donald-luskin


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-16 11:48:00 UTC

  • I took me a long time to understand how he could construct such complex fallacie

    I took me a long time to understand how he could construct such complex fallacies, but once I understood that he substitutes accusations of stupidity for all moral resistance it was clear that he is merely an immoral man attempting to apply aggregate inter-state morality to particular intra-state (tribal) groups. He is calling morality and moral man stupid. His argument is that we should prefer wealth over morality.

    Think about that for a minute. **We should prefer wealth over morality.**


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-16 11:16:00 UTC

  • Romantic, Semi Poetic: The Great Unraveling – NYTimes.com

    Romantic, Semi Poetic: The Great Unraveling – NYTimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/opinion/roger-cohen-the-great-unraveling.html


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-15 15:00:00 UTC

  • (Interesting email exchanges with Jan Lester thanks to Lee C Waaks. I don’t thin

    (Interesting email exchanges with Jan Lester thanks to Lee C Waaks. I don’t think it’s going to be fruitful, because really, it’s too much to ask of him to absorb that much content. But I think I understand his frame of reference well enough now. I just need to understand his definition of property that can be transgressed against. And then I can restate his central argument in propertarian language – and agree with him or not. Just confirms that what I’m doing is pretty awesome when you start to work with it, but for the paradigmatically obligated into the enlightenment fallacies and institutional academic philosophy, for other than a few it’s just too much. People just don’t study the full suite of philosophies of, politics, ethics, economics, law and computation and math. )


    Source date (UTC): 2014-09-13 11:47:00 UTC