—“Honestly though, there needs to be a debate between Curt and Stefan.”— [L]ook I love Stefan Molyneux. I don’t want to debate him. I think the two of us together to could radically transform the libertarian and conservative movements for the better. I think we could have a panel discussion with the two of us, where we both answered questions from libertarians. I think what you’d find is that I answer some things differently. But the overlap is enormous. Stefan is an exceptional advocate and educator. I’m a pretty hard core philosopher. I wish I could communicate as well as Stefan. I can’t. I never will. Heck, there are already guys that are better at communicating my ideas than I am. It’s just like debating Hoppe. The argument would be terribly technical but in the end it’s matter of profound agreement (at least on my end). I would like to have a panel discussion maybe to show people how we would *say the same thing* differently. I have a luxury these guys dont. I didn’t start out with a libertarian cause. I started out trying to solve the problem of communicating the western group evolutionary strategy in ratio-scientific terms. And I’ve been working with software a long time to support myself so to speak. Software is an existentially demanding and very precise language. So habituating strict construction while avoiding rationalism and justificationism made it easier for me to fix Hoppe’s kantian arguments, and not fall into the justificationary problem Stefan Molyneux has faced. I had to attack libertarianism for three reasons: 1) I had to test my theories against criticism – I”m a scientist. There is just no other way than to get into a street fight and win without all the Queensbury rules that support the entrenched paradigm. 2) I had to end the immorality of Rothbardianism as a distraction for libertarians, NRx, and conservatives. Otherwise I couldn’t unify conservatives and libertarians again behind a single movement. I had to deprive libertines of moral ground. 3) (Honestly) I knew it would draw fire and attention and it was good marketing. I don’t think it takes any work to attack Conservatism. Movement conservatism so evidently failed, that no one even argues using it.
Category: Commentary, Critique, and Response
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Debating Molyneux isn’t Useful for Either of Us. Discussion Is.
—“Honestly though, there needs to be a debate between Curt and Stefan.”— [L]ook I love Stefan Molyneux. I don’t want to debate him. I think the two of us together to could radically transform the libertarian and conservative movements for the better. I think we could have a panel discussion with the two of us, where we both answered questions from libertarians. I think what you’d find is that I answer some things differently. But the overlap is enormous. Stefan is an exceptional advocate and educator. I’m a pretty hard core philosopher. I wish I could communicate as well as Stefan. I can’t. I never will. Heck, there are already guys that are better at communicating my ideas than I am. It’s just like debating Hoppe. The argument would be terribly technical but in the end it’s matter of profound agreement (at least on my end). I would like to have a panel discussion maybe to show people how we would *say the same thing* differently. I have a luxury these guys dont. I didn’t start out with a libertarian cause. I started out trying to solve the problem of communicating the western group evolutionary strategy in ratio-scientific terms. And I’ve been working with software a long time to support myself so to speak. Software is an existentially demanding and very precise language. So habituating strict construction while avoiding rationalism and justificationism made it easier for me to fix Hoppe’s kantian arguments, and not fall into the justificationary problem Stefan Molyneux has faced. I had to attack libertarianism for three reasons: 1) I had to test my theories against criticism – I”m a scientist. There is just no other way than to get into a street fight and win without all the Queensbury rules that support the entrenched paradigm. 2) I had to end the immorality of Rothbardianism as a distraction for libertarians, NRx, and conservatives. Otherwise I couldn’t unify conservatives and libertarians again behind a single movement. I had to deprive libertines of moral ground. 3) (Honestly) I knew it would draw fire and attention and it was good marketing. I don’t think it takes any work to attack Conservatism. Movement conservatism so evidently failed, that no one even argues using it.
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Walter Block’s Libertine Immorality
[H]ere in Ukraine, speculators buy up appointments to apply for visas, and then sell them for 1000UAH (about $50, in a country where people make $200 a month and raise children on it.) Now, according to libertarianism this is moral, ethical, and non-aggression. According to propertarianism (and human nature) this is not a productive, fully informed voluntary exchange free of negative externality. But so called ‘parasitic’ libertine rothbardianism claims this is moral. Yet that which is moral is that which incentivizes us to cooperate rather than incentivizes us to prey upon one another. Why doesn’t the government require that all appointments scheduled are for the individual applying for the visa? Well, because they’re in on the parasitism (corruption). Now, I want to know why I don’t kill you and take your stuff. The only reason not to is if we engage in fully informed, productive, voluntary transfer free of negative externality. Libertinism is just an excuse to continue usurious parasitism of the ghetto. It’s not moral. It’s immoral.
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Walter Block’s Libertine Immorality
[H]ere in Ukraine, speculators buy up appointments to apply for visas, and then sell them for 1000UAH (about $50, in a country where people make $200 a month and raise children on it.) Now, according to libertarianism this is moral, ethical, and non-aggression. According to propertarianism (and human nature) this is not a productive, fully informed voluntary exchange free of negative externality. But so called ‘parasitic’ libertine rothbardianism claims this is moral. Yet that which is moral is that which incentivizes us to cooperate rather than incentivizes us to prey upon one another. Why doesn’t the government require that all appointments scheduled are for the individual applying for the visa? Well, because they’re in on the parasitism (corruption). Now, I want to know why I don’t kill you and take your stuff. The only reason not to is if we engage in fully informed, productive, voluntary transfer free of negative externality. Libertinism is just an excuse to continue usurious parasitism of the ghetto. It’s not moral. It’s immoral.
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Systems of Thought…
—“Curt Doolittle’s ‘propertarian’ ideology is the culmination of hyper rationalist Anglo-American libertarian attempts at reconciling White racial interests with a nominalistic and deracinated worldview. It’s only appealing to sperg dinks and it will fail”—Anonymous
RESPONSE [T]his is a great conversation to have. I welcome the criticism. I understand your interpretation. You’re wrong. but I understand it. smile emoticon 1) SYSTEMS OF THOUGHT Religion, Ideology, Philosophy, Law. Science A religion consists of a set of myths and rules the purpose of which is to resist outsiders, and to set limits on behavior or to be treated as an outsider and deprived of opportunity and insurance of the in-group. Hence most religions evolve with the weak, who have no means of competition except resistance and exclusion. An ideology consists of a set of ideas the purpose of which is to excite subclasses to act under democracy to obtain political power. Ideologies are used to obtain followers. Likewise followers, follow ideologies. Hence most ideologies if not all ideologies are lower and working class ideologies, and most followers from the lower and working classes. A philosophical system provides criteria for making judgements in the pursuit of preferences. Philosophies are used to obtain peers. Likewise peers seek philosophies with which to pursue preferences together with their peers. hence all philosophies are class philosophies, and most philosophies are middle class philosophies. A scientific system provides for making truthful (true) statements for the description of operations (transformations instate). Scientific systems are used to decide, create, invent, and to provide power over nature and man. Hence, science . Hence science is a largely professional or upper middle class philosophy. A legal system provides a means of resolving differences so that a group can cooperate in the production of generations, goods and services. Legal systems are used to rule others. But require strength to enforce. Hence most legal systems are the product of the upper classes that rule by force, and make use of scientific, philosophical, ideological, and religious systems to speak to classes while ruling them with law and violence. War is a scientific not emotional process. It is only the men at the bottom who need inspiration. And it is the foot-soldier at the bottom whose tenacity most determines a battle. So the relationship between the top and the bottom is necessary, and this is why non-martial polities cannot compete with martial polities – we fight together even if we conceptualize differently. (more…) 2) RACIAL / GROUP ARGUMENTATIVE STRATEGIES American Empirical-Legal vs German Rational Pseudo-Religious vs French Moral Reasonable vs Jewish Pseudoscientific. Over the past two centuries it has been the use of Jewish Pseudoscience (Boaz-anthropology, Marx-socilism, Freud-psychology, Cantor-math, Mises-economics, Frankfurt-politics, Rothbard-ethics, Rand-philosophy, Strauss-Neocons) that has been the most demonstrated success in the reconquest of the west. Just as the first conquest of the west was accomplished by Jewish Mysticism (“The Great Lies”). And mysticism and pseudoscience were distributed in the ancient world by pulpit, and in this world by press and media. But they were distributed primarily to women and slaves (minorities), for the consumption of women and slaves (minorities). Over the past three centuries, french, german, british and american traditionalists have attempted to retain germanicised christianity in some for or other, by pseudoscientific (economic) and pseudo moral means. And empirically speaking (and rationally explicable) all four cultures advocating conservative (aristocratic, meritocratic, paternalistic) have failed – bringing us to the current condition. Every single conservative movement has failed. That is because science and pseudoscience, not morality and pragmatism, not myth and mysticism, are the languages under which complex decisions are rationally made, complex arguments rationally conducted, and complex institutions rationally constructed. Beliefs are sold to women and slaves. Armies operate and govern not on beliefs but on actions, decidability, and cooperation:rules. Because rules that produce organization and prosperity consequently determine the resources available to an army -whether that army fights or governs. So it is not that I will fail (because I think the evidence is building already) but that what you ‘believe’ and ‘sense’ has failed for centuries. And the very fact you retreat into it for self empowerment demonstrates it is a minority ideology without a method of organizing those that must be ruled. You are useful to people like me for the purpose of conducting battles, and you can win when we work together. But you have no solution to implement only passion and advocacy. You are good soldiers, but like good soldiers you must leave generalship to those who practice strategy and logistics. Because while man on man it may be passion and skill that determine an outcome, when it is many men against many men in war, it is strategy and logictics , that win the day. We are not equal. You are good soldiers. But you are not generals. Or you would be offering competing solutions of the same depth and institutional veracity rather than ‘reaching’ to nonsense words for inspiration. I may need you but you need me more. And I know it. You’ve “got nothing” except criticism that I’m not telling the story the way you want me to, and confirming your emotions. But one teaches the young to learn what he must, he does not cow to the childish impulse. 3) RACE My position on race, which I have stated over and over again, is: a) groups must be homogenous in order to engage in redistribution b) groups who engage in redistribution can create commons, because a commons is a method of redistribution. c) commons are competitive advantage and few groups can create them d) western whites can create them because we demonstrate a demand for productivity, a demand for truth telling, an implied warranty, and we punish alternatives. Every man is in the militia, as such every man a sheriff. Every sheriff policing the commons. Every sheriff at least marginally equal in rights for having policed the commons. We have higher trust, higher economic velocity, greater differences, more competition, and therefore more creativity and invention. e) invention is what allowed a minority population on the fringe of the bronze age to conquer nearly all of the know world both in pre-history, in ancient history, and in the modern world. We need technological superiority to succeed in small numbers against the hordes. f) we have been using eugenics for all of our known history and it appears our pre-history. We invented aristocratic egalitarianism (enfranchisement through military service in reciprocal insurance of life and property.) We hung vast numbers of our underclasses. And we kill off more in war. For multiple reasons we have domesticated (culled) the evil 80’s from our populations and achieved high sexual dimorphism (gender differences). This has led to a superior gene pool for all intents and purposes. g) however, any other group that practiced the same has the potential of eliminating the lower demographics and improving their family, tribe and race. So my position is that we need many small homogenous nations. Now it is true that I think some peoples would be worth exterminating in practice if not in fact (gypsies, arabs). But from what I can see a dumb christian is still a good man, and a dumb muslim is not. A black christian with an education and an IQ over 110, is a pretty damned good thing. So my solution is to direct the families, races, and tribes to ‘take care of their own’ rather than ‘suckle off the west’, or to conquer the west through immigration of inferior genetics at scale. I am not sure why you can argue with this position other than you want to feel that your emotional nonsense in which you take apparent great pride is somehow left unsatisfied. I accept you as you are for the rank you must play. But I understand you think, feel, and are incentivized as a man of lower rank. We are not equal. I must to my job. You must do yours. It is only when all of us do so that we are together the unstoppable army we have been for 5000 years. I hope this has been clear. I prefer to avoid this kind of discourse and simply stick with science. But sometimes generals must discipline the men. Curt Doolittle The Philosophy of Aristocracy The Propertarian Institute Kiev, Ukraine
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Systems of Thought…
—“Curt Doolittle’s ‘propertarian’ ideology is the culmination of hyper rationalist Anglo-American libertarian attempts at reconciling White racial interests with a nominalistic and deracinated worldview. It’s only appealing to sperg dinks and it will fail”—Anonymous
RESPONSE [T]his is a great conversation to have. I welcome the criticism. I understand your interpretation. You’re wrong. but I understand it. smile emoticon 1) SYSTEMS OF THOUGHT Religion, Ideology, Philosophy, Law. Science A religion consists of a set of myths and rules the purpose of which is to resist outsiders, and to set limits on behavior or to be treated as an outsider and deprived of opportunity and insurance of the in-group. Hence most religions evolve with the weak, who have no means of competition except resistance and exclusion. An ideology consists of a set of ideas the purpose of which is to excite subclasses to act under democracy to obtain political power. Ideologies are used to obtain followers. Likewise followers, follow ideologies. Hence most ideologies if not all ideologies are lower and working class ideologies, and most followers from the lower and working classes. A philosophical system provides criteria for making judgements in the pursuit of preferences. Philosophies are used to obtain peers. Likewise peers seek philosophies with which to pursue preferences together with their peers. hence all philosophies are class philosophies, and most philosophies are middle class philosophies. A scientific system provides for making truthful (true) statements for the description of operations (transformations instate). Scientific systems are used to decide, create, invent, and to provide power over nature and man. Hence, science . Hence science is a largely professional or upper middle class philosophy. A legal system provides a means of resolving differences so that a group can cooperate in the production of generations, goods and services. Legal systems are used to rule others. But require strength to enforce. Hence most legal systems are the product of the upper classes that rule by force, and make use of scientific, philosophical, ideological, and religious systems to speak to classes while ruling them with law and violence. War is a scientific not emotional process. It is only the men at the bottom who need inspiration. And it is the foot-soldier at the bottom whose tenacity most determines a battle. So the relationship between the top and the bottom is necessary, and this is why non-martial polities cannot compete with martial polities – we fight together even if we conceptualize differently. (more…) 2) RACIAL / GROUP ARGUMENTATIVE STRATEGIES American Empirical-Legal vs German Rational Pseudo-Religious vs French Moral Reasonable vs Jewish Pseudoscientific. Over the past two centuries it has been the use of Jewish Pseudoscience (Boaz-anthropology, Marx-socilism, Freud-psychology, Cantor-math, Mises-economics, Frankfurt-politics, Rothbard-ethics, Rand-philosophy, Strauss-Neocons) that has been the most demonstrated success in the reconquest of the west. Just as the first conquest of the west was accomplished by Jewish Mysticism (“The Great Lies”). And mysticism and pseudoscience were distributed in the ancient world by pulpit, and in this world by press and media. But they were distributed primarily to women and slaves (minorities), for the consumption of women and slaves (minorities). Over the past three centuries, french, german, british and american traditionalists have attempted to retain germanicised christianity in some for or other, by pseudoscientific (economic) and pseudo moral means. And empirically speaking (and rationally explicable) all four cultures advocating conservative (aristocratic, meritocratic, paternalistic) have failed – bringing us to the current condition. Every single conservative movement has failed. That is because science and pseudoscience, not morality and pragmatism, not myth and mysticism, are the languages under which complex decisions are rationally made, complex arguments rationally conducted, and complex institutions rationally constructed. Beliefs are sold to women and slaves. Armies operate and govern not on beliefs but on actions, decidability, and cooperation:rules. Because rules that produce organization and prosperity consequently determine the resources available to an army -whether that army fights or governs. So it is not that I will fail (because I think the evidence is building already) but that what you ‘believe’ and ‘sense’ has failed for centuries. And the very fact you retreat into it for self empowerment demonstrates it is a minority ideology without a method of organizing those that must be ruled. You are useful to people like me for the purpose of conducting battles, and you can win when we work together. But you have no solution to implement only passion and advocacy. You are good soldiers, but like good soldiers you must leave generalship to those who practice strategy and logistics. Because while man on man it may be passion and skill that determine an outcome, when it is many men against many men in war, it is strategy and logictics , that win the day. We are not equal. You are good soldiers. But you are not generals. Or you would be offering competing solutions of the same depth and institutional veracity rather than ‘reaching’ to nonsense words for inspiration. I may need you but you need me more. And I know it. You’ve “got nothing” except criticism that I’m not telling the story the way you want me to, and confirming your emotions. But one teaches the young to learn what he must, he does not cow to the childish impulse. 3) RACE My position on race, which I have stated over and over again, is: a) groups must be homogenous in order to engage in redistribution b) groups who engage in redistribution can create commons, because a commons is a method of redistribution. c) commons are competitive advantage and few groups can create them d) western whites can create them because we demonstrate a demand for productivity, a demand for truth telling, an implied warranty, and we punish alternatives. Every man is in the militia, as such every man a sheriff. Every sheriff policing the commons. Every sheriff at least marginally equal in rights for having policed the commons. We have higher trust, higher economic velocity, greater differences, more competition, and therefore more creativity and invention. e) invention is what allowed a minority population on the fringe of the bronze age to conquer nearly all of the know world both in pre-history, in ancient history, and in the modern world. We need technological superiority to succeed in small numbers against the hordes. f) we have been using eugenics for all of our known history and it appears our pre-history. We invented aristocratic egalitarianism (enfranchisement through military service in reciprocal insurance of life and property.) We hung vast numbers of our underclasses. And we kill off more in war. For multiple reasons we have domesticated (culled) the evil 80’s from our populations and achieved high sexual dimorphism (gender differences). This has led to a superior gene pool for all intents and purposes. g) however, any other group that practiced the same has the potential of eliminating the lower demographics and improving their family, tribe and race. So my position is that we need many small homogenous nations. Now it is true that I think some peoples would be worth exterminating in practice if not in fact (gypsies, arabs). But from what I can see a dumb christian is still a good man, and a dumb muslim is not. A black christian with an education and an IQ over 110, is a pretty damned good thing. So my solution is to direct the families, races, and tribes to ‘take care of their own’ rather than ‘suckle off the west’, or to conquer the west through immigration of inferior genetics at scale. I am not sure why you can argue with this position other than you want to feel that your emotional nonsense in which you take apparent great pride is somehow left unsatisfied. I accept you as you are for the rank you must play. But I understand you think, feel, and are incentivized as a man of lower rank. We are not equal. I must to my job. You must do yours. It is only when all of us do so that we are together the unstoppable army we have been for 5000 years. I hope this has been clear. I prefer to avoid this kind of discourse and simply stick with science. But sometimes generals must discipline the men. Curt Doolittle The Philosophy of Aristocracy The Propertarian Institute Kiev, Ukraine
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Confidence in Ignorance
CONFIDENCE IN THEIR IGNORANCE (you see this kind of stupidity from the left and their followers, the muslims)
—If socialism is the next stage of human society, why bother fighting for it?—
Socialism is impossible. It cannot be the next stage of human society. So the question is not meaningful.
–But look at this quote: “…….”—- (moronic sophist drivel that conflates economic and political models, ie: verbalisms.)
Definitions: Socialism: the involuntary organization of investment, production, distribution, and trade and the absence of rational incentives. Capitalism: the voluntary organization of investment, production,m distribution and trade, and the presence of rational incentives. “Mixed Economy“: the voluntary organization of production distribution and trade, and a ‘fee’ collected by the government for use in the production of commons by legislative means. Rule of Law: the market economy in which all actions must be voluntary, fully informed, productive, and free of negative externality Democracy: (economic or unitary) the selection of legislation by majority rule. Republic: the selection of representatives who determine legislative outputs by majority rule as proxy for citizens. Totalitarianism: the choice of commands at the discretion of some elite. So whomever is writing what you quote is a very ignorant person. I have another question: Why do you think you are either smart enough or knowledgeable enough to discuss these topics, and hold an opinion on these topics? This is the interesting question.
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Confidence in Ignorance
CONFIDENCE IN THEIR IGNORANCE (you see this kind of stupidity from the left and their followers, the muslims)
—If socialism is the next stage of human society, why bother fighting for it?—
Socialism is impossible. It cannot be the next stage of human society. So the question is not meaningful.
–But look at this quote: “…….”—- (moronic sophist drivel that conflates economic and political models, ie: verbalisms.)
Definitions: Socialism: the involuntary organization of investment, production, distribution, and trade and the absence of rational incentives. Capitalism: the voluntary organization of investment, production,m distribution and trade, and the presence of rational incentives. “Mixed Economy“: the voluntary organization of production distribution and trade, and a ‘fee’ collected by the government for use in the production of commons by legislative means. Rule of Law: the market economy in which all actions must be voluntary, fully informed, productive, and free of negative externality Democracy: (economic or unitary) the selection of legislation by majority rule. Republic: the selection of representatives who determine legislative outputs by majority rule as proxy for citizens. Totalitarianism: the choice of commands at the discretion of some elite. So whomever is writing what you quote is a very ignorant person. I have another question: Why do you think you are either smart enough or knowledgeable enough to discuss these topics, and hold an opinion on these topics? This is the interesting question.


