—“CURT, I’M SORRY I SAID…”— Guess what. You didn’t offend me. I understand what it is to be a man, and you are being a man. You are trying to speak truth to power so to speak (not that I have much power). And this is what men do, what and cowards do not do. They shame, ridicule, gossip, rally, and undermine the person rather than defeat the argument. My work is extremely complicated because what I produce is self organizing, and via-negativa, rather than deliberate – and self organizing systems are hard to understand. We express a series of limits, and all else is possible within them rather than proposing an ideal. This means that instead of tracing a single line of thought through it’s various conditions (like a software program), we have to learn all the systems of limits, and run cases through those limits until we understand how all those limits work together. Criticism is good. Systematically trying to undermine me hurts my message, because it decreases the willingness of people to pay the high investment cost of learning a self organizing system – and therefore hurts our people. So by disagreeing with me we find a man’s way of learning – not by submission and obedience, but by demonstration of commitments to truth even to the powerful. Now, I prefer critical questions rather than attacks, but I can tell the difference between intellectually honest and moral criticism, and the opposite. There is a very great difference between criticism because something doesn’t make sense to you, or you disagree with it, and undermining because it conflicts with a malinvestment that you have made, and are desperately trying to protect from the truth. In that case, it is me who must speak truth to your power (assuming I have the time and energy and you some degree of intellectual honesty. -Cheers
Category: Commentary, Critique, and Response
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We Are Men, and Learning from Truth to Power Is Heroic
—“CURT, I’M SORRY I SAID…”— Guess what. You didn’t offend me. I understand what it is to be a man, and you are being a man. You are trying to speak truth to power so to speak (not that I have much power). And this is what men do, what and cowards do not do. They shame, ridicule, gossip, rally, and undermine the person rather than defeat the argument. My work is extremely complicated because what I produce is self organizing, and via-negativa, rather than deliberate – and self organizing systems are hard to understand. We express a series of limits, and all else is possible within them rather than proposing an ideal. This means that instead of tracing a single line of thought through it’s various conditions (like a software program), we have to learn all the systems of limits, and run cases through those limits until we understand how all those limits work together. Criticism is good. Systematically trying to undermine me hurts my message, because it decreases the willingness of people to pay the high investment cost of learning a self organizing system – and therefore hurts our people. So by disagreeing with me we find a man’s way of learning – not by submission and obedience, but by demonstration of commitments to truth even to the powerful. Now, I prefer critical questions rather than attacks, but I can tell the difference between intellectually honest and moral criticism, and the opposite. There is a very great difference between criticism because something doesn’t make sense to you, or you disagree with it, and undermining because it conflicts with a malinvestment that you have made, and are desperately trying to protect from the truth. In that case, it is me who must speak truth to your power (assuming I have the time and energy and you some degree of intellectual honesty. -Cheers
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Peterson and Such: They Do Their Best.
—“Curt, Is Peterson still….”— In the choice of grammars between: Aristotelian Scientist (description), Stoic Self Authoring (education and training), Platonist Philosopher (literature), and Abrahamic Theologian (Religion), Peterson cherry picks from each for support, but is narrative (what he argues with) is pure platonism (literature). My hope was that he would favor the scientific and stoic, but he pulls from each discipline as needed. My understanding of him (as well as most others) is that they lack the method of description obtained from (micro) economics (incentives). So they do their best. We should not expect perfection of an individual, but that he advances the cause. And instead we should expect that a field of individuals supply a range of arguments
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Peterson and Such: They Do Their Best.
—“Curt, Is Peterson still….”— In the choice of grammars between: Aristotelian Scientist (description), Stoic Self Authoring (education and training), Platonist Philosopher (literature), and Abrahamic Theologian (Religion), Peterson cherry picks from each for support, but is narrative (what he argues with) is pure platonism (literature). My hope was that he would favor the scientific and stoic, but he pulls from each discipline as needed. My understanding of him (as well as most others) is that they lack the method of description obtained from (micro) economics (incentives). So they do their best. We should not expect perfection of an individual, but that he advances the cause. And instead we should expect that a field of individuals supply a range of arguments
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Ivar Diederik: thanks for the intelligent argument. It is much easier and pleasu
Ivar Diederik: thanks for the intelligent argument. It is much easier and pleasurable to debate meaningfully with someone whose thought is consistent and is merely a problem of precision rather than someone who is intellectually dishonest, intellectually inconsistent, and trying to justify a malinvestment by shallow sophisms.
Source date (UTC): 2018-05-14 10:34:00 UTC
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I think I understand. He saw the path to the future but through a scanner darkly
I think I understand. He saw the path to the future but through a scanner darkly so to speak.
Source date (UTC): 2018-05-13 23:13:22 UTC
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“Vlad did everything right.”
“Vlad did everything right.”
Source date (UTC): 2018-05-13 22:47:03 UTC
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“Vlad did everything right.”
“Vlad did everything right.”
Source date (UTC): 2018-05-13 18:46:00 UTC
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No no no, I meant only that I’m not interested in popularity for popularity’s sa
No no no, I meant only that I’m not interested in popularity for popularity’s sake. 😉
Source date (UTC): 2018-05-13 11:16:40 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/995623857636724736
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“A thought: this want of a pack leader; Do you think it is forever changing? At
—“A thought: this want of a pack leader; Do you think it is forever changing? At first thought it would be a projection onto another, for whatever the reasons, then once one has acquired or matured those parts within themselves to a point they no longer need that leader, they move onto the next and repeat. Do you feel a link between internal maturation of the organism and projection onto another?”— Scott Claremont
Scott,
I’m not exactly sure what you are trying to say but if I’m guessing correctly, then yes, it’s forever changing both at the macro (group) and personal(individual) level, and that’s the evidence anyway if we look across time.
I usually use the example of ethics:
> infantile(selfish) > heroic(imitative), virtue(character) > rule (law, norm > discipline-rules) > and outcome.
And that our ‘gods’ mature just like our ethics.
But what does that mean for education, commons production, and justice (law)?
I mean, if we acknowledge the needs of men we supply them with what they need to transition (mature), until that point they no longer can.
How do we stop the propagation of falsehoods while preserving the utility of parable?
How do we fulfill the pack leader demand, while not creating falsehoods?
So far I can’t get past the homogenous polity and the king/emperor as pack leader. The universe as ‘divine order’ without divinity. And man’s purpose to become the universe’s gods.
Source date (UTC): 2018-05-13 10:23:00 UTC