September 11th, 2018 8:58 PM
—“Calling someone a purity spiraler is the Right’s equivalent of calling someone a racist.”—Marie Woods
September 11th, 2018 8:58 PM
—“Calling someone a purity spiraler is the Right’s equivalent of calling someone a racist.”—Marie Woods
(notes) 1) You (and jonathan) are correct that the internet has had the suggested effect, but incorrect that it has created a false impression. Instead, we all have a much more HONEST and UNFILTERED view of each group’s narrative and ambitions when absent curation by filters. The fact that you’re discounting this is rather odd, and I’ll expand this in a moment. 2) Pinker’s work misses (or artfully avoids the fact) that while violence has seemingly decreased, it has simply moved from physical attack on physical property to financialization and political parasitism that has redistributed middle and working class reproduction familial insurance, and retirement to the underclass and immigrants, and destroyed the nuclear family central to the USA’s groups strategy by malincentives in the name of virtues. 3) The principle problem in primary education is that the differences between racial groups is largely one of neotonic evolution in response to geographic demands. And that we mature at different rates, some faster and some slower, and that the rates of aggression and sensitivity to existential differences in irreversible sexual, social, economic, political, and market value come into play at different times, to different intensities. One cannot have any knowledge of the classroom and understand the violence that children are exposed to. Compare this to my current home in Ukraine where the homogeneity of the 1950’s is everywhere and conformity mandated everywhere, and civility still exists, despite being the only poor european country remaining. As far as I know the bottom has been repaired to wealth, health and nutrition and the Flynn effect is reversing. Why? It is more important to remove negative influences than try to create positive influences. We have lost vast portions of the always-troublesome white laboring and working classes to malincentives already. 4) The university isn’t as much a problem as pseudoscience: teach basic accounting, credit, micro and macro economic principles so that people undrestand the world we live in and why no alternative is possible. The university does not teach that the principle problem of differences in national income have to do with (a) degree of homogeneity, and (b) size of the underclass vs the middle class. Lastly is to cut the pseudosciences that women in particular create demand for, in exchange for vast student debt and no increase in calculative capacity. 5) The right does not see eugenic organization of society as oppression but domestication of humans just like all other animals and plants. Western civilization has been aggressively eugenic for all of its recorded history, with no myth of equality whatsoever. Limiting the damage of the bottom is seen as a necessary good. (The male reproductive strategy, versus the left’s female reproductive strategy.) 6) Neither of you take the position that just as the scandinavians naturally diverge in specialization under equality of choice and opportunity rather than converge, (despite being tiny homogenous 5-10m populations), that in larger groups it is in the intersets of groups of separate interests of separate strategies, to separate and produce norms, traditions, commons, and institutions, that are preferable for each group. 7) The Jewish question is driven almost entirely by (a) the jewish continuous advocacy for leftism and records of what they have done elsewhere, (b) activism in the process of undermining the constitution as a document of reciprocity (natural law) by selective advancement of cases before the court, and activism in suppression of western identitarianism (SPLC), (b) dominance in media and entertainment, and (c) demonstrated superiority at extemporaneous discourse in an era of high demand for extemporaneous speech in the media. It’s very easy to survey any publication for ant-white posts and determine the ethnicity of the authors, and this drives the perception. The use of argumentative techniques of poly-ethicalism, ir-reciprocity, relativism, combined with shaming, rallying, gossip, and reputation destruction, and of Pilpul(sophism) and Critique(straw manning extension of rallying shaming etc); 8) The right is terribly empirical AND hyperbolic in its interpretation of empirical evidence. The denial of HBD, the Negative consequences of diversity, the reality of IQ and the value of every single point of IQ in the standard of living of the people, the uniqueness of high trust in northern europeans, the general hostility against white people is endemic. (Moreover, you are mistaken about the percentage of the population that is aggressively advancing revolutionary activism. It’s just underground, and like all underground movements produces status signaling as a reward for participants. (The zero turnout in DC was by design.)) 9) There is no evidence that the mutli-culturalism in this country will succeed any more than hit has in any other region, particularly the middle east, south america, india, and africa – or europe for that matter. All data I know of says it INCREASES DEMAND FOR AUTHORITARIANISM, which, as I understand it, is, and has been, the left’s objective. 10) Peoples demonstrate kin selection except at the top, are more dependent on shared information and the discounts on kin vs non-kin cooperation at the bottom, differ in the distribution of the two traits most influential in social, economic, political, and technological development. Those of us in the high standard deviations from the mean are too insulated from the perceptions of common people – and the relative immutability of those perceptions as necessary for preservation of their will to continue to act in service of themselves and others. 11) Outside of china there is no evidence that the human capital reserves that existed prior to 1900, exist any longer, and the period by which a backward State could use pre-existing western technology and local resources to leverage a growth of the middle class has passed. (Note: I do not understand why chinese intelligence doesn’t pay the rural IQ cost like the rest of us, or if there is something in the collection of data or effect of literacy in character memorization that I don’t understand.). 12) The value of women added to the economy has been completely absorbed by increases in taxation. Ergo we have merely engaged in reproductive redistribution, and to the right wing white male, that just translates into genocide. Which is what is driving the right. “We were too kind, and let them win. With just that one law under johnson, they lied and we let them win.” My observation of both of you which is my observation of most people in the academy, is that understanding of economics in incentives, in behavior, in the micro economics that are perceptible to each of us, and macro economics that are not observable are counter to our intuitions, is as necessary a method of cognition as reading and mathematics, and that programming, being an operational and existential rather than sets and ideal is superior to mathematics. There is no commons possible to construct that is superior to upward redistribution of reproduction, and no harm that can be done to a polity other than it’s reversal. Lastly: We were wrong about south africa. The same is happening in southern brazil. And unless these are corrected the narrative will continue to accelerate.
(notes) 1) You (and jonathan) are correct that the internet has had the suggested effect, but incorrect that it has created a false impression. Instead, we all have a much more HONEST and UNFILTERED view of each group’s narrative and ambitions when absent curation by filters. The fact that you’re discounting this is rather odd, and I’ll expand this in a moment. 2) Pinker’s work misses (or artfully avoids the fact) that while violence has seemingly decreased, it has simply moved from physical attack on physical property to financialization and political parasitism that has redistributed middle and working class reproduction familial insurance, and retirement to the underclass and immigrants, and destroyed the nuclear family central to the USA’s groups strategy by malincentives in the name of virtues. 3) The principle problem in primary education is that the differences between racial groups is largely one of neotonic evolution in response to geographic demands. And that we mature at different rates, some faster and some slower, and that the rates of aggression and sensitivity to existential differences in irreversible sexual, social, economic, political, and market value come into play at different times, to different intensities. One cannot have any knowledge of the classroom and understand the violence that children are exposed to. Compare this to my current home in Ukraine where the homogeneity of the 1950’s is everywhere and conformity mandated everywhere, and civility still exists, despite being the only poor european country remaining. As far as I know the bottom has been repaired to wealth, health and nutrition and the Flynn effect is reversing. Why? It is more important to remove negative influences than try to create positive influences. We have lost vast portions of the always-troublesome white laboring and working classes to malincentives already. 4) The university isn’t as much a problem as pseudoscience: teach basic accounting, credit, micro and macro economic principles so that people undrestand the world we live in and why no alternative is possible. The university does not teach that the principle problem of differences in national income have to do with (a) degree of homogeneity, and (b) size of the underclass vs the middle class. Lastly is to cut the pseudosciences that women in particular create demand for, in exchange for vast student debt and no increase in calculative capacity. 5) The right does not see eugenic organization of society as oppression but domestication of humans just like all other animals and plants. Western civilization has been aggressively eugenic for all of its recorded history, with no myth of equality whatsoever. Limiting the damage of the bottom is seen as a necessary good. (The male reproductive strategy, versus the left’s female reproductive strategy.) 6) Neither of you take the position that just as the scandinavians naturally diverge in specialization under equality of choice and opportunity rather than converge, (despite being tiny homogenous 5-10m populations), that in larger groups it is in the intersets of groups of separate interests of separate strategies, to separate and produce norms, traditions, commons, and institutions, that are preferable for each group. 7) The Jewish question is driven almost entirely by (a) the jewish continuous advocacy for leftism and records of what they have done elsewhere, (b) activism in the process of undermining the constitution as a document of reciprocity (natural law) by selective advancement of cases before the court, and activism in suppression of western identitarianism (SPLC), (b) dominance in media and entertainment, and (c) demonstrated superiority at extemporaneous discourse in an era of high demand for extemporaneous speech in the media. It’s very easy to survey any publication for ant-white posts and determine the ethnicity of the authors, and this drives the perception. The use of argumentative techniques of poly-ethicalism, ir-reciprocity, relativism, combined with shaming, rallying, gossip, and reputation destruction, and of Pilpul(sophism) and Critique(straw manning extension of rallying shaming etc); 8) The right is terribly empirical AND hyperbolic in its interpretation of empirical evidence. The denial of HBD, the Negative consequences of diversity, the reality of IQ and the value of every single point of IQ in the standard of living of the people, the uniqueness of high trust in northern europeans, the general hostility against white people is endemic. (Moreover, you are mistaken about the percentage of the population that is aggressively advancing revolutionary activism. It’s just underground, and like all underground movements produces status signaling as a reward for participants. (The zero turnout in DC was by design.)) 9) There is no evidence that the mutli-culturalism in this country will succeed any more than hit has in any other region, particularly the middle east, south america, india, and africa – or europe for that matter. All data I know of says it INCREASES DEMAND FOR AUTHORITARIANISM, which, as I understand it, is, and has been, the left’s objective. 10) Peoples demonstrate kin selection except at the top, are more dependent on shared information and the discounts on kin vs non-kin cooperation at the bottom, differ in the distribution of the two traits most influential in social, economic, political, and technological development. Those of us in the high standard deviations from the mean are too insulated from the perceptions of common people – and the relative immutability of those perceptions as necessary for preservation of their will to continue to act in service of themselves and others. 11) Outside of china there is no evidence that the human capital reserves that existed prior to 1900, exist any longer, and the period by which a backward State could use pre-existing western technology and local resources to leverage a growth of the middle class has passed. (Note: I do not understand why chinese intelligence doesn’t pay the rural IQ cost like the rest of us, or if there is something in the collection of data or effect of literacy in character memorization that I don’t understand.). 12) The value of women added to the economy has been completely absorbed by increases in taxation. Ergo we have merely engaged in reproductive redistribution, and to the right wing white male, that just translates into genocide. Which is what is driving the right. “We were too kind, and let them win. With just that one law under johnson, they lied and we let them win.” My observation of both of you which is my observation of most people in the academy, is that understanding of economics in incentives, in behavior, in the micro economics that are perceptible to each of us, and macro economics that are not observable are counter to our intuitions, is as necessary a method of cognition as reading and mathematics, and that programming, being an operational and existential rather than sets and ideal is superior to mathematics. There is no commons possible to construct that is superior to upward redistribution of reproduction, and no harm that can be done to a polity other than it’s reversal. Lastly: We were wrong about south africa. The same is happening in southern brazil. And unless these are corrected the narrative will continue to accelerate.
humans.
Source date (UTC): 2018-09-10 09:57:33 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1039090494691860480
Reply addressees: @dagmar_schmitt @MartianHoplite
Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1039031519224848384
IN REPLY TO:
@GudistGrug
@MartianHoplite @curtdoolittle That is an interesting take on the concept. With this in mind what would make herd animals inherently dysgenic?
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1039031519224848384
would it add value if i hung out there on mute while working?
Source date (UTC): 2018-09-10 00:08:45 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1038942316734701568
Reply addressees: @ThePomen
Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1038936873866092544
IN REPLY TO:
@ThePomen
@curtdoolittle It is fine, It was a great stream. I should have warned beforehand. https://t.co/jQd77eYAaV It is mostly banter, but I tried to explain as much Swedish politics as I could
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1038936873866092544
(regarding vox on ireland)
Get over it. Do something to improve your condition in the world. The only thing you do by rallying against others is demonstrate your inferiority in demographic, intellectual, economic, scientific, political, and military ability. Why isn’t ireland Finland? What is lacking in irish culture, education, economics and politics that separates ireland from finland (or any other small scandinavian country). Are you saying that the irish are an inferior people? Because that’s all this comes across as. The british have been in continuous decline for 70 years because they learned to blame others as you have. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS ALWAYS THE PERSON IN THE MIRROR. Stop whining and stop virtue signaling and do something competitive that produces returns for your people.
Source date (UTC): 2018-09-09 09:28:00 UTC
(We knew this but the mainstream didn’t.) He declared that ‘national socialism was based on Marx’ Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger —“It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. The evidence before 1945 was more private than public, which is perhaps significant in itself. In public Hitler was always anti-Marxist, and in an age in which the Soviet Union was the only socialist state on earth, and with anti-Bolshevism a large part of his popular appeal, he may have been understandably reluctant to speak openly of his sources. His megalomania, in any case, would have prevented him from calling himself anyone’s disciple. That led to an odd and paradoxical alliance between modern historians and the mind of a dead dictator. Many recent analysts have fastidiously refused to study the mind of Hitler; and they accept, as unquestioningly as many Nazis did in the 1930s, the slogan “Crusade against Marxism” as a summary of his views. An age in which fascism has become a term of abuse is unlikely to analyse it profoundly. “His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. “I have learned a great deal from Marxism” he once remarked, “as I do not hesitate to admit”. He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that “they had never even read Marx”, implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been “a private Russian affair”, whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun”, adding revealingly that “the whole of National Socialism” was based on Marx. “That is a devastating remark and it is blunter than anything in his speeches or in Mein Kampf.; though even in the autobiography he observes that his own doctrine was fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason that it recognised the significance of race – implying, perhaps, that it might otherwise easily look like a derivative. Without race, he went on, National Socialism “would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground”. Marxism was internationalist. The proletariat, as the famous slogan goes, has no fatherland. Hitler had a fatherland, and it was everything to him. “Yet privately, and perhaps even publicly, he conceded that National Socialism was based on Marx. On reflection, it makes consistent sense. The basis of a dogma is not the dogma, much as the foundation of a building is not the building, and in numerous ways National Socialism was based on Marxism. It was a theory of history and not, like liberalism or social democracy, a mere agenda of legislative proposals. And it was a theory of human, not just of German, history, a heady vision that claimed to understand the whole past and future of mankind. Hitler’s discovery was that socialism could be national as well as international. There could be a national socialism. That is how he reportedly talked to his fellow Nazi Otto Wagener in the early 1930s. The socialism of the future would lie in “the community of the volk”, not in internationalism, he claimed, and his task was to “convert the German volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists”, meaning the entrepreneurial and managerial classes left from the age of liberalism. They should be used, not destroyed. The state could control, after all, without owning, guided by a single party, the economy could be planned and directed without dispossessing the propertied classes. “That realisation was crucial. To dispossess, after all, as the Russian civil war had recently shown, could only mean Germans fighting Germans, and Hitler believed there was a quicker and more efficient route. There could be socialism without civil war.”—
(We knew this but the mainstream didn’t.) He declared that ‘national socialism was based on Marx’ Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger —“It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. The evidence before 1945 was more private than public, which is perhaps significant in itself. In public Hitler was always anti-Marxist, and in an age in which the Soviet Union was the only socialist state on earth, and with anti-Bolshevism a large part of his popular appeal, he may have been understandably reluctant to speak openly of his sources. His megalomania, in any case, would have prevented him from calling himself anyone’s disciple. That led to an odd and paradoxical alliance between modern historians and the mind of a dead dictator. Many recent analysts have fastidiously refused to study the mind of Hitler; and they accept, as unquestioningly as many Nazis did in the 1930s, the slogan “Crusade against Marxism” as a summary of his views. An age in which fascism has become a term of abuse is unlikely to analyse it profoundly. “His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. “I have learned a great deal from Marxism” he once remarked, “as I do not hesitate to admit”. He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that “they had never even read Marx”, implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been “a private Russian affair”, whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun”, adding revealingly that “the whole of National Socialism” was based on Marx. “That is a devastating remark and it is blunter than anything in his speeches or in Mein Kampf.; though even in the autobiography he observes that his own doctrine was fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason that it recognised the significance of race – implying, perhaps, that it might otherwise easily look like a derivative. Without race, he went on, National Socialism “would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground”. Marxism was internationalist. The proletariat, as the famous slogan goes, has no fatherland. Hitler had a fatherland, and it was everything to him. “Yet privately, and perhaps even publicly, he conceded that National Socialism was based on Marx. On reflection, it makes consistent sense. The basis of a dogma is not the dogma, much as the foundation of a building is not the building, and in numerous ways National Socialism was based on Marxism. It was a theory of history and not, like liberalism or social democracy, a mere agenda of legislative proposals. And it was a theory of human, not just of German, history, a heady vision that claimed to understand the whole past and future of mankind. Hitler’s discovery was that socialism could be national as well as international. There could be a national socialism. That is how he reportedly talked to his fellow Nazi Otto Wagener in the early 1930s. The socialism of the future would lie in “the community of the volk”, not in internationalism, he claimed, and his task was to “convert the German volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists”, meaning the entrepreneurial and managerial classes left from the age of liberalism. They should be used, not destroyed. The state could control, after all, without owning, guided by a single party, the economy could be planned and directed without dispossessing the propertied classes. “That realisation was crucial. To dispossess, after all, as the Russian civil war had recently shown, could only mean Germans fighting Germans, and Hitler believed there was a quicker and more efficient route. There could be socialism without civil war.”—
by Emanuel Venator (solid gold) Nietzsche, Rand, Evola, etc. are useful because they show that it is possible for rightists to tell an alternate story about the world and, in doing so, give permission to think differently. However, they are limited in that they speak in the language of stories rather than falsifiability and therefore cannot be said to deal in truth, strictly defined. In that way, they are like artists and are useful for the same things, propaganda and personal reflection. Still, insightful as they may be, they are not useful as evidence for the goodness of restoration or as justification for taking coercive measures to achieve it. For that only truth will do. The sooner we discipline our minds for truth telling the sooner we will get there.
by Emanuel Venator (solid gold) Nietzsche, Rand, Evola, etc. are useful because they show that it is possible for rightists to tell an alternate story about the world and, in doing so, give permission to think differently. However, they are limited in that they speak in the language of stories rather than falsifiability and therefore cannot be said to deal in truth, strictly defined. In that way, they are like artists and are useful for the same things, propaganda and personal reflection. Still, insightful as they may be, they are not useful as evidence for the goodness of restoration or as justification for taking coercive measures to achieve it. For that only truth will do. The sooner we discipline our minds for truth telling the sooner we will get there.