—“He presents as bumbling intellectual, not rabble rouser – he’s barely coherent for most of us let alone capable of inspiring a mob.”–
Totally agree. Although my behavior as CEO, and as an intellectual consist of very, very different techniques. And I don’t particularly like myself as a CEO, even if I am good at it.
—“He does, however, have training in people management or is naturally good at it. He knows how to bring men into a fold, how to flatter them and make them feel special or important.”—
Um. I use the “king of the hill game” method of teaching.
–“…cult…”—
I would be the worst possible cult leader. I’ve said all along that ‘leadership will emerge’ (and it does). Because I do not see myself, or want to see myself, as other than a mad scientist of political revolution.
If I was a cult leader type I would try to hold all the power myself rather than try to build a cadre of talented people, and train them to go out and be the equivalent of the jesuits and inquisition against the left.
It is very hard to see my constitutional reform as anything other than an extremely practical and thorough reformation of the 20th century postwar order and the redistribution of capital to the middle class from the parasitic classes.
This occurs in every civilization with relative frequency. We must continually incrementally suppress parasitism – because man continually incrementally invents means of parasitism.
Now picketey would say that this is a natural feature of current capitalism. Pareto would say it is a necessary feature of the production of wealth. Evolution would say that it is merely class rotation. And I would say it is merely a failure to maintain the competition of via negativa law and via positiva markets to continuously incrementally suppress new inventions of parasitism whenever new means of rents are invented.
My view, like the georgists, would be that land rents go to the monarchy, and taxation go to the commons.
—-“It’s not a cult. My use of that word was flippant. A better description would be that the primary motivation, at the initial stage for newcomers is to win favour with the big chief (Curt) and less so commit fully to the ideas. You do however delegate to a considerable degree and, as you say, are more than happy to bring others up than hold onto the power base.”—
—“You’re also genuinely motivated by good ideas and not ego which is quite rare. My point really was that it’s extremely difficult to eliminate the negative aspects of ‘Alpha-worship’. Corruption of the initial framework, regardless of how well it began, then becomes inevitable as members less capable of handling the ideas defend the position, or territory, more aggressively in order to maintain their position and remain useful. I notice that followers who seem to actually understand the material are less supplicatory, less aggressive to criticisms by outsiders and are generally less sycophantic.”—
I agree. On the other hand i am very grateful that these devotees prevent gsrm, defend the brand, and save me the time and effort of self defense. This discourages idiots from wasting my time so that we get better criticisms.
the one thing i get from the best people is to not waste time with those who are a waste of time.
It’s just as I’d said in a previous post: Curt’s posts can be exhausting to read, but for the exact opposite of why continental philosophy is exhausting to read: The first is exhausting because so much substance is compressed in so little, whereas in continental philosophy, so little is enshrouded by so much.
by John Mark
YES. When I found Curt the experience was the opposite of when I tried to read philosophy.
Philosophy: “There’s got to be something worthwhile in here somewhere.”
Curt: “OMG I could spend an hour thinking about each paragraph.”
(CD: these guys made my day. not because of my ego. But because when someone understands, I feel ‘validated’ – because the hard work did some good and I didnt end up just writing to myself. Moreover, it means they are becoming leaders – so I don’t have to… lol. 😉 )
OK, how much truth is there to his anti-russian propaganda?
I think americans can’t imagine the size of russia, how spread out people are, and that there are still x% of the people living in ‘villages’. I mean, we got roads only in the late 50s but before then there was ‘wild america’ all over the place. There still is ‘wild canada’. But these numbers don’t sound right to me.
First, while you consider this a warning, it is just extremely good advertising. Because the person who would be as fearful as you are would have no value in altering the status quo, while at the same time those people that listen to this who would have value would merely be driven to interest in our work.
Second, You are a good person, I have known you to be a good person and a moral person. I see nothing in this criticism that is not intellectually honest. I ‘like’ you and I will probably always do so because there is not much else to ask of fellow humans but to be good, moral, and intellectually honest.
Now, except for the whacky stuff about being a fed, or ‘doggy robots’ this isn’t a bad bundle of criticisms.
But, that said, they are just ‘fears’ not ‘faults’ but for some fears are the same as faults. Just as hurt feelings are the same as harms. And so I’m operating under the understanding that what you are evidencing in your argument and demeanor is fear.
1 – No disagreement on your statement of objective. Although my objective is more subtle: the certainty of revolt brings options to the table. This is stated repeatedly throughout the work: the more certain the revolution the more likely it is unnecessary. I set out to produce “a moral license, a set of demands, a plan of transition, and a means to alter the status quo.” This is what is required for political change that would restore the constitution to one of natural law, insulate it from future abuses by legislation from the bench, and to eliminate the predation on our people by the commercial, financial, media, academic, and political classes that have been able to use the media to develop an industrialization of deception on a scale not possible since the formation of the monotheistic religions under their near monopoly on writing.
2 – No. Writing plans was not my job. I have definitely written plans. I talk about both Australia and Hungary. I don’t think I”ve talked about others. Writing plans is part of the job of the general staff and there are tons of them. These plans are used in games to test them. The games are incredibly unsophisticated. You can read about these games. They involve political, bureaucratic, industry, academic, and military folk. This was very common back in the day. I haven’t followed the current nonsense over the past decade. I simply was in ukraine to watch it first hand.
3 – In the battle between opinions i am sure i have more knowledge of the available resources, and this information is not exactly hard to come by if you follow the geostrategic, economic, and military think tanks. If you and any knowledge at all you would have offered it. You don’t. Why? This is the general criticism I have of anything you’d say. If you had a criticism other than fear you would levy it.
4 – I understand you are scared. But many of us are not scared. i understand you have been threatened by Adam and my discussion of metaphysics and the inability of deceits to survive testimonial criticism. I understand you are panicking because our movement is scaling rather rapidly. i understand that we are scaling rapidly because we have material solutions to present serious problems. I understand that you are frustrated because you cannot find a way to preserve your self illusion in a court of law. And that the court could prevent you from spreading those illusions or maintaining those illusions. The difference is that today you and the left can do so. Where we would prevent you and the left from doing so in the commons (conspiracy to conduct fraud). If your illusions are a cost of the eradication of leftism in all its forms then it is a cost I am willing to pay for our people just as depriving a drug addict of his fix is a cost I am willing to pay for our people.
RE The Six Points:
1 – I know you are scared of losing supernaturalism and idealism as your preferred drug of escapism and i do not deny that many of us need means of escapism. That does not mean it is ethical or moral or good or any such positive to conspire to create falsehoods that produce externalities in the commons. I know this is the purpose of your criticism. the rest is cover for your mysticism. I know your world is threatened. it is threatened in fact because the majority will easily trade the end of commercial, financial, academic and political deceit for a return to trustworthy speech. Every random group that we test on buys it.
2 – There is a reason you are not using examples rather than vague critique. That is because if you used examples i could test them and show they are nonsensical fears. Courts are practical. juries are practical. common law accumulates rapidly and adjust rapidly.
3 – Lying? It’s not if you are lying, but failing to perform due diligence against conspiracy to commit fraud. We all err. we cannot know we speak the truth. we can however know we performed due diligence against error, bias, deceit, fraud..
4 – Reciprocity? I cannot find any possibility of anyone falsifying reciprocity except to defraud. maybe you can. but as far as i know, like rational choice it is impossible. Again if you use ideals it is easy to engage in sophism and critique. But I have cataloged every single conflict I can find and all of them are resolvable by tests of reciprocity.
5 – The hard problem of consciousness is not hard which is why people in CS are panicking that we are going to reach it before knowing how to control it. Yes, the difference between knowledge of experience, and the construction of experience and the experience of experience itself is meaningful in the discourse between man and machine, or man and an alternate live form – but it is not meaningful between humans. Or else we could not communicate. That which we cannot communicate must be demonstrated. We are very good at this in all walks of life: it’s called education.
6 – My method is simple: either you can testify to it or not. if you cannot, then we are left with your incentives to determine whether that what is not testifiable is somehow true. It is almost impossible to find an example where one is both arguing for the truth of a proposition and doing so against testifiability, and at the same time not possessed of an incentive to deceive or defraud. I have tried. These questions are all reducible to some variation on the rationality of choice. And in the end all choices are rational in the sense that they are explicable.
So, we have eliminated this stuff from private property disputes, and from some common property disputes, but not from informational commons disputes. The courts are very good at adjudicating failures of due diligence.
7 – I don’t claim i am always right. I claim i don’t make mistakes in my arguments. And I say it to bait. And I state frequently that this is a tactic to bait lazy thinkers. The truth is that if I can construct a formal argument in operational terms it is very hard for me to be wrong. It is very hard for anyone to be wrong. The reason is that operational argument exposes presumptions of knowledge and fictionalisms. I am right a LOT and that’s simply what it is. But it’s because I artfully avoid taking a position on anything I can’t make into a question that’s decidable. The most common being various criticisms of homosexuality, abortion, and christianity. The reason being that the first two are undecidable, the second is decidable but repairable. Not that it’s necessary since it’s disappearing.
8 – Yes there are many of us willing to fight for our civilization, and i know you are not. That does not make you a bad person it means you just do not matter in the quest to save our people from the near immediate conquest. In other words, if you won’t fight you don’t matter.
9 -Assertion? Assertion is how we force counter argument. Otherwise I bear the cost of education. Instead, bring a counter argument. no justification provides truth, only survival from falsification. So i require an argument that would survive in court and i do not consider it my job to educate. So what you and many others do, is attempt to get me to educate you until you an propose a counter argument., This is a fools errand and too costly. I tend to take on arguments that are within a few steps of the next leap in reasoning, and I do not take on the job of bringing people from kindergarten to grad school. Economics in everything. WHat you want me to do is accept your premises except they are premises I cannot, because they are unjustifiable (inadmissible).
You see, I won’t accept anything that isn’t on testifiable (juridical) terms and you won’t accept juridical terms. Sorry. Then don’t debate me.
10 – GSRM as a means of avoiding argument is different from gsrm for not making an argument. I use it to punish circumvention of argument that would survive. There is no contrariness here. I shame people who need shaming because they are not offering an argument. This is something my followers appreciate, and it is something they asked me to stick to, because I was wasting too much time on people below the threshold of potential.
11 – Yes, I know you are therefore unable to make theological, supernatural, fantasy, and non arguments. Yes, and the left can’t make marxist, postmodernist, feminist, and otherwise denialist arguments. That your … needs … to find a way to preserve your investments is a cost that those of us who want to stop the left are willing to bear.
12 – Psychology. My argument is with freudian psychology which is an instance of Critique. I use naturalism, the grammars, acquisitionism, reciprocity and propertarianism to explain human behavior in economic terms. In general I rely on neural economy to explain most issues that are currently explained in … less scientific terms.
So yes we are continuing to grow, yes we will go mainstream sometime in the not too distant future, yes you should feel threatened if you are attempting to spread falsehoods, yes a revolution is possible, yes the best revolutions are those that are contractual rather than physical, yes getting to that point requires fear that the government will lose, no you are a very sill person if you think the state has advanced weapons like ‘robots’ and you are bordering on schizotypal behavior by accusing me of conspiracy of some kind (OMFG…). and you are even more silly if you think the govt can do much except accelerate collapse.
But then cowards abed, shuddering under covers, leave no mark on history, their names are forgotten, their people and their gods are replaced, and the souls of all those yet to be, and all that have been, damn those cowards to the only hell there is for their cowardice, if there is any at all.
Cowards fear truth, and the fight, and the harm that they may come to.
They are of no meaning to those that fear only the passage of their people,
The only thing the state can do to a person who writes as I do is to provide him legitimacy. And for that legitimacy, i could only beg, not fear, when my demands are the cessation of the parasitism of the financial, academic, media, and political classes upon the people I love. Even the cowards.
As for ‘illegal’, I never ever cross the line. And I probably won’t have to.
(BTW: look at john mark’s video from today. he’ puts it out in the open.)
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photos_and_videos/TimelinePhotos_SxeO6JU-xg/50813449_10156925173892264_3080921238470656000_o_10156925173887264.jpg YA WANNA BET THIS MORON DOESN”T QUESTION BUT ACCUSES, OR ENGAGES IN GSRM?Alain DwightPeople seem to lead with their strongest point, doubtful he has anything more to offer.Jan 18, 2019, 11:48 AMLisa OuthwaiteYou are very accessible. It’s a lovely quality you have. Given that you’re likely to be far more productive not spending your hours answering daft questions on Facebook, do you choose to be accessible or do you just find it very difficult not to answer people’s questions? (This is one of those daft question, btw 😉 )Jan 18, 2019, 11:53 AMRob RandallAnd that was an excellent response Curt. Aspies of the world unite, lol!Jan 18, 2019, 12:02 PMCurt DoolittleI figure policing this stuff is a cost, just like auditing the feed. It’s the cost of doing this in public and the value I get from it, because I don’t have a few classrooms full of grad students to experiment on. lol
Unless I’m working on something very difficult, I work in say 50 minute increments, with 20-30 minute breaks, and I do it all day long. When it’s difficult I disappear for hours and then come back. These ‘breaks’ are fun, keep me fresh, satisfy the extrovert, and let me go back to work.
Also, it provides levity.Jan 18, 2019, 12:07 PMCurt DoolittleOh, I don’t take it seriously. Just another young butthurt ancap.
Just having some fun shit-talking. ;)Jan 18, 2019, 12:08 PMChristian WarwickLove Curts intolerance…. No really I love Curts intolerance. In future propetarian world every mouse pad needs to have an electric shock function to deal with the ignorant shitheads.Jan 18, 2019, 12:09 PMHugh McVeyjfc imagine being this wrong. curt will talk to anyone anytime.Jan 18, 2019, 12:12 PMAlain DwightYes, figured it was a rhetorical question.
It’s obvious when people lead with a bunch of empty shit talking (not to be confused with shit talking backed up by arguments)
The ancaps and libertarians are not happy to have their moral high-ground destroyed lolJan 18, 2019, 12:19 PMJames GregoryI’d say Block could give you a run for your money on the accessibility front (at the very least with how much he WANTS to be accessible), he’s just a complete boomer when it comes to tech so you can only reach him via email.
But the idea that it’s somehow hard to get hold of you is ridiculous.Jan 18, 2019, 12:22 PMMikal DukmakPlease keep the intolerance high, I enjoy the clean atmosphereJan 18, 2019, 1:52 PMSolomon VolodymyrCurt What do you do in your breaks?Jan 18, 2019, 2:02 PMFlavio DuminucoEpic, don’t mess with CurtJan 18, 2019, 2:22 PMSteven J. WoronHere ya go. Just change the copy as neededJan 18, 2019, 2:31 PMCurt DoolittleUm. I know walter personally and fairly well. I do not want to debate him because I would win and it would make neither of us look good in the process. I will debate him. And we have come close once. But I would not want to go thru the ghetto ethics and all that other stuff with him. Mostly because aside from being rather misguided he is a decent person.Jan 18, 2019, 2:53 PMJames GregoryI was responding to the “most accessible public intellectual” comment you made, saying that he also makes a significant effort in trying to communicate with people who have questions (just as you do). The two of you are probably the best examples of this on the right.
I know you could smash him in a debate. That’s not what I was talking about. Lovely fellow (met him at a Mises U), would love to have a drink with the guy, but whether you could debate him isn’t even a question I’d bother bringing up anymore.Jan 18, 2019, 3:04 PMRandall PostblockPlease enjoy tearing apart the ancaps on my page. They drive me crazy. Sometimes I can’t believe I’ve managed to stay friends with these guys for nearly three years. We never have agreed on much because I was already alt-libertarian when I met them. I never had an ancap phaseJan 18, 2019, 3:07 PMRandall PostblockI’m Randall Scott Wolfe/Randall Danger by the way. Banned on those accounts. I love what you do and interacting with you. Thanks for being awesome!Jan 18, 2019, 3:08 PMChris MoyerI see hierarchies of markets everywhere now. These people just deflect because of their inability to compete at the higher echelons…creating an excuse that would undermine the legitimacy of the hierarchy in the first place.
And so the pattern just repeats itself again and again across all fieldsJan 18, 2019, 3:11 PMSam WhiteheadThe cultured man has the obligation to be intolerantJan 18, 2019, 4:03 PMCurt DoolittleOh agreed. he is very accessible particularly if you want to write a paper, he will do anything to help you.Jan 18, 2019, 4:19 PMMax AdnerI think these sort of things are missed teaching opportunities.Jan 18, 2019, 4:20 PMCurt DoolittleThat’s only because you haven’t tried to teach enough ancaps below the threshold… lolJan 18, 2019, 4:38 PMMax AdnerCurt Doolittle It is probable. I see it as teaching opportunities of the audiences, not individuals choosing to engage. But while I preach I, myself, don’t always practice — I understand how futile it is sometimes to use some boneheads even as teaching aides and props.Jan 18, 2019, 4:44 PMJames GregoryNicholas Palmer Castle what page? I could use the target practice..Jan 18, 2019, 5:15 PMRandall PostblockMy personal fbJan 18, 2019, 5:15 PMDominic DeLucaThis makes perfect sense. If you tolerated these people, the serious people would have to absorb the cost of your tolerance in the form of reduced accessibility and reduced quality of the discussion. You could say that people who come here for no other reason than to argue like an asshole are engaging in a type of parasitism.Jan 18, 2019, 7:36 PMCurt DoolittleWhat do I do on breaks? Shit talk morons, audit the feeds email, etc, answer questions, riff off comments, read the day’s news, review the day’s ssrn papers and blogs, make coffee/sparkling water/food, run to the shops, visit doctors, make calls, work on a piece of tech, take out the trash, chat with the neighbors, make sure my mother hasn’t fallen, run out of oxygen or gone off the deep end, feel guilty about whatever it is I didn’t get done, talk to family, miss friends, download some b-movie to watch at night – the normal life crap that everyone else does. Dunno why I should be much different from everyone else – other than I take naps most afternoons.Jan 18, 2019, 8:20 PMOdin WehrmanHey I know that guy!Jan 18, 2019, 9:03 PMRandall PostblockHave you seen the thread Doolittle is talking about yet? It’s pretty greatJan 18, 2019, 9:04 PMRandall PostblockIf you like seeing people from LRU get assblasted anywayJan 18, 2019, 9:05 PMEric BurkettGalaxy Brain Bob decided he couldn’t handle hearing what a little bottom bitch he is from me so maybe you all should remind him.Jan 18, 2019, 9:07 PMOdin WehrmanI have, I was just happy to see that Curt thinks he is as dumb as I thought. I’ll hop in if he wants to really double down lmaoJan 18, 2019, 9:07 PMRandall PostblockScrew it, post is public now. Ya’ll have fun https://www.facebook.com/luther.rockwell.37/posts/155826775404253Jan 18, 2019, 9:09 PMOdin WehrmanMake that larper post from 2 weeks ago public too.Jan 18, 2019, 9:10 PMRandall PostblockI’m not sure which one you meanJan 18, 2019, 9:11 PMOdin WehrmanJan 18, 2019, 9:12 PMEric BurkettI’ve told you guys for months how stupid he was, even worse than the mormon.Jan 18, 2019, 9:13 PMRandall PostblockDone: https://www.facebook.com/luther.rockwell.37/posts/149381322715465Jan 18, 2019, 9:13 PMOdin WehrmanThe amount of mental gymnastics they are able to perform just because they are mixed race is baffling.Jan 18, 2019, 9:19 PMEric BurkettI’ve never even seen him actually take a position, any position, about anything. Nor any ancap for that matter, except to merely say ‘abolish the state’ and condemn any and all other words and actions. It’s infinitely dumber than communism.Jan 18, 2019, 9:27 PMOdin WehrmanHe has a weird obsession with projecting sexual insecurity type arguments. He is uncomfortably familiar with blacked. com.
“Lol your just mad your white daughters are going to be raped by Somalians” is the position he has consistently taken.Jan 18, 2019, 9:36 PMOdin WehrmanJan 18, 2019, 11:13 PMLisa Outhwaitelol I read the second one as “audit the Fed” I was thinking “my god, he’s productive!!” 😂Jan 19, 2019, 5:35 AMEric BurkettYes, he told me that anyone who wanted their wife to be able to stay home and raise children was stupid because she would be knee deep in swamp cock all day. It was immediately obvious that he was cuckolded by blacks while in prison, while also being dominated by blacks himself.Jan 19, 2019, 6:02 AMEric BurkettGalaxy Brain Bob on the right there, think I captured it pretty well.Jan 19, 2019, 7:52 AMYA WANNA BET THIS MORON DOESN”T QUESTION BUT ACCUSES, OR ENGAGES IN GSRM?
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