“WE ACCEPT RECOVERING ROTHBARDIANS”
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Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 11:09:00 UTC
“WE ACCEPT RECOVERING ROTHBARDIANS”
We understand. We are here to help you. Propertarianism.
Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 11:09:00 UTC
(It’s really obvious living over here that americans spend too much time alone. no wonder 40% of women are on anti-depressants and our older men are committing suicide in record numbers.)
Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 11:05:00 UTC
THE GREEKS SET US ON A PATH. Math isn’t the ideal, economics is.
The reason we got hooked on deduction was mathematics. In math, the means of exploration (mathematical operations) and the means of testing (mathematical operations) are the same (except in very rare circumstances).
The greeks ran with this. And we followed.
The problem is, (as Popper showed us) this convenience in mathematics is an exception due to the simplicity of mathematical operations, and is not a rule. Whereas, in every other field we must use guesses (induction) to arrive at hypotheses, then criticize them for internal consistency(logic), external correspondence(testing), existence (operations), and scope (falsification).
We test our words to be free of imagination (logic), we test our correspondence with reality to be free of imagination (actions) we test our premises to be free of imagination (operations) and we test our conclusions to be free of imagination (Falsification). (still working on how to say this bit, and not quite there yet.)
Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 11:00:00 UTC
ON THE VIRTUE OF CRITICISM
Without something to criticize I would have nothing to calculate. My reasons for trying to improve upon critical rationalism are external to physical sciences and partly external to epistemology: they’re in ethics and politics. Meaning, that there is a difference between permissible argument in pursuit of the most parsimonious truth (analytic or platonic truth) where no external costs are imposed upon others, and pursuit of truthful statements along the journey wherever external costs are imposed upon others. But the central ideas are still the same: seek criticism, and criticize. When you do – and especially if others do you the favor of defending their positions, and criticizing yours – you learn. I intuit a set of patterns on the very edge of perception, and just criticize whatever fragments I can sense on the way getting there. And that takes an absurd amount of patience and discipline, because (as followers probably can tell) it can take you YEARS to make incremental improvements in important theories. You cannot make a baby in less than nine months and it seems you cannot make a philosophy in less then seven to ten years.
Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 10:30:00 UTC
CRITICISM OF HOPPE’S ARGUMENT AGAINST RIGHT TO VALUE
Regarding:
http://kinsella.liberty.me/…/hoppe-on-property-rights-in-p…/
All property must represent value to its owner or the statement ‘own’ has little sense.
–“a common mistaken belief is that one has a property right in the value, as opposed to the physical integrity of, one’s property.”–
Correctly stated:
Others cannot promise you that the value of any property will remain constant. However, likewise, they *CAN* promise you that they will take no criminal (physical), unethical, immoral or conspiratorial action to damage that value or transfer that value to themselves.
–“the basis of many fallacious notions of property rights, such as the idea that there is a right to a reputation because it can have value.”–
This is unclear at best, false under scrutiny. I can, and do value my reputation; and my reputation demonstrably has value to me and to others. But that is not to say that I can control that reputation – it is information. Only that I may act to claim restitution for the use of false statements in the actions of defamation, libel and slander. Just as I cannot claim to control the market price of an asset, but I can act to protect against others damage to it.
–“According to this understanding of private property,”–
That statement contains no truth proposition. It posits a straw man as a means of criticism. This is a marxist technique developed in the art of deceptive argument we call “Critique”. The author posits a straw man as a vehicle for criticism of an opposing position rather than defending one’s proposition as incontrovertibly true. (See Rockwell’s most recent book which promises an hypothesis but never delivers, just consists of chapter after chapter of critique.)
–“property ownership means the exclusive control of a particular person over specific physical objects and spaces.”–
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—“property rights invasion means the uninvited physical damage or diminution of things and territories owned by other persons.”–
There is no evidence of this anywhere in the world. Humans demonstrate universally that they consider the following categories of relations their property: physical and mental, kin, allies and useful relations, and private property, corporeal property, common property, and normative property.
So to state that any definition of property is other than those demonstrated by man requires that we define some utility – some purpose, for which we select some subset of demonstrated property to be enforced by consent (under law); or even that some subset of demonstrated property is only possible to enforce by consent under law. But we cannot without dishonesty state that the definition of property is other than that which is demonstrated by man to be evidentially categorized as property.
As for the entire paragraph: –“According to this understanding … …complete ignorance of others’ subjective valuations.”–
It is difficult to tell if this is a disingenuous argument (politically utilitarian), an incomplete argument, or a mistaken argument. Why?
Let’s start with what humans demonstrate to be non-parasitic beneficial cooperation: the prevention of imposed costs (what term free-riding) expressed as the requirements for: (a) Productive, (b) Fully informed, (c) Warrantied, (d) Voluntary Exchange free of (e) Negative Externality.
In various polities, one or more of these attributes can be violated for the purpose of practical expediency. The less conformity to these properties the lower the trust and slower the economic velocity, and the greater conformity the higher the trust and higher economic velocity. And this is in fact what we see.
Now, why do people tolerate competition on price, when competition on price causes losses? Well, they don’t. In fact, it was very hard to break natural ‘price’ cartels, and in many agrarian cultures the trend persists. Humans naturally seem to tolerate competition on quality but not on price.
Early market owners understood by practice what we have learned through the study of economics: that competition forces positive incentives to innovate, which rewards all consumers while increasing stress on producers. Just as we have learned that suppression of unethical and immoral activity increases trust.
So, now lets look at Hoppe’s argument: he talks about the market effects that we cannot control, and that we had to learn are positive consequences of what we may intuit as unethical and immoral.
But he falsely categorizes ALL activity under the EXCEPTION of competition – which produces beneficial externalities, instead of under the RULE of the prevention of free riding – which we evolved as cooperative organisms to prevent negative actions and externalities. He conflates the minor exception with the major rule.
So his argument is either dishonest or false: just because we cannot control and do not want to control prices, does not mean that we cannot control and do not want to control criminal, immoral, and unethical actions, particularly those actions which impose costs upon one another.
Just as we bear a cost by forgoing opportunities for personal gain by engaging in criminal, unethical, immoral and conspiratorial behavior, and in doing so we construct property rights, we bear the cost of forgoing opportunities for prosecution of competition on prices in order to create the normative incentive, and the consumer economy.
As such, price competition is the exception to moral intuition, not the rule from which moral intuition can be deduced. **Period.**
Furthermore, since prices are the exception to the prohibition on parasitism necessary for the rational formation of cooperation and the abandonment of violence in exchange for the benefits of trade, then all other non-price, non-production assets retain their prohibition on criminal, ethical, moral, and conspiratorial actions that cause the involuntary imposition of costs; and therefore the use of violence for the purpose of punishment and restoration is categorically ethical, moral, and rational. Because cooperation is not logical or in one’s interest, and violence is useful and necessary preference in order to prevent parasitism.
The virtue of suppression of criminal, unethical, immoral, and conspiratorial imposition of costs other than those conducted under the constraints of productive, fully informed, warrantied, voluntary, exchange, is that individuals are forced exclusively into productive activity rather than parasitism. Whether that parasitism be physical, deceptive, indirect, or conspiratorial.
By contrast, Rothbardian ethics, argue for the expressed legalization of unethical, immoral, conspiratorial parasitism, because such moral rules, embodied in law, by logical necessity, legalize and prohibit retaliation for unproductive, unethical, immoral, conspiratorial, actions.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev Ukraine
December 2014
Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 10:27:00 UTC
(1) Almost every single rationalist argument Hoppe makes is false.
(2) Almost every analysis of incentives Hoppe makes is true.
The Economics and ethics of private property is disposable nonsense. Democracy the god that failed is mostly tolerable.
His most recent essay (short book/long essay) abandons rationalism entirely, which is why its worth reading.
I am unafraid of debate with skilled opponents. I’ll win. Just how it is.
Science wins.
Every time.
Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 10:23:00 UTC
YOU SEE, WE NEVER “KNOW” ANYTHING. WE JUST TRY.
This is why the rationalist argument is a straw man. Critical Rationalism won. In propertarianism I focus on truthful speech as an IMPROVEMENT on critical rationalism’s narrow focus in the absence of ethical and moral constraints (imposed costs, such as creating a hazard). So operationalism is an existential test – a further criticism, on top of falsification, that is necessary when we speak of matters that may impose costs upon one another.
I can never know that I speak the ultimate truth, but I can know if I speak truthfully (morally). I can warranty truthful speech but I cannot warrant a statement is true.
And in publishing information into the commons I am distributing a product which may do harm or good. And I can be held accountable for unwarrantable speech, or unwarranted speech, but if I have warrantied my speech I cannot be held accountable in law for the negative consequences of it.
Conversely, if I did, then I CAN be held accountable for it.
So it is by these means I have tried to:
….(a) Extend critical rationalism by adding the additional requirement of operational description – something scientists already do but outside of psychology do not recognize as necessary criticism, and something that is necessary for all political questions, since only political questions require by definition transfers.
….(b) Redefine the scientific method as the method of speaking truthfully (warrantably).
….(c) Incorporate the principle of the voluntary exchange of property as the only test of moral action.
UNIVERSAL STANDING
Under universal standing each of us can protect his or her commons from lies, cheats, socialization of losses, privatization of gains, and even the use and abuse of others – we an all act as sheriffs. We cannot resort to political favoritism.
The only problem is in creating judges. And we seem to be far better at creating judges than economists and philosophers.
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine
Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 10:18:00 UTC
OVERSING
Market sort of looks like this now:
Email->Facebook->Yammer->Facebook@work->
………………………………………->Asana->Mavenlink->
…………………………………………………………………….->Oversing
We will have the top of the market, but then, as in anything, that’s probably not area of peak demand. Which is fine with me. I’d rather be at the top of the market with customers at the top of the market. 🙂
Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 07:46:00 UTC
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/may/18/anti-intellectualism-us-book-banning?CMP=share_btn_fb
Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 07:07:00 UTC
HAYEK AND HOPPE – INSUFFICIENT
Hayek is right that a condition of liberty can only be constructed by organically evolutionary (common) law of property. Hoppe is right that institutions can replace monopoly bureaucracy.
However, Hayek has no solution to making such a condition universally preferable; and Hoppe has no solution to the provision of the commons, nor for constructing a condition of liberty. Neither address the influence of the family or the intergenerational means of reproductive production or the entry of women’s socialistic biases into the sphere of politics – and neither addresses the problem of the conflict between the reproductive interests of the classes. Neither solves the problem of a heterogeneous post-agrarian, and possibly post familial, institutional system. Yet that is the set of conditions that we find ourselves in.
I think I have persuasively argued that over the long term (anyone can benefit from implementing technology that was invented by others in the sort term), high velocity economies are only possible under liberty, and that liberty is only possible under high trust, and that only law under universal standing can construct high trust and liberty, and that those most interested in maintaining this structure are those in the lower middle class and upper proletariat, who are willing to fight to un-constrain their superiors, so that they can gain the privileges of the group with the best leaders. This is why the working classes are conservatively biased – they will fall in status and material possession without the advantages given them by support – the enablement – of their elites.
So we can look at the successes of philosophers but also look at their failures. Hoppe tries to both preserve cosmopolitan separatism and reconstruct the hanseatic league. But this is not possible without the use of violence, exclusion, and the taking of territory sufficiently advantageous to produce the incentives to join such a polity, nor the economic advantage necessary to see it persist.
Hoppe’s solution of starting a clean polity isn’t a solution at all. It’s the equivalent of communism for libertines.
Territory is obtained, held, informal institutions constructed, formal institutions implemented, and monuments built, by the use of violence to do so by those desirous of obtaining advantage for themselves and their people.
Peace, is not an intrinsic good. The intrinsic good is the perpetuation of your family, tribe, and people in competition with other families tribes and peoples.
Everything else is just a better way of getting there.
And the alternative is conquest and suicide. Both of which we are victims of.
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine
Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 06:41:00 UTC