“Q: Curt: You posted that arguments favoring a typical God are quite possible..I

–“Q: Curt: You posted that arguments favoring a typical God are quite possible..Interested to know more..”—

There are four surviving arguments across the spectrum that posit the possibility of a god. They are not all satisfactory to the devoted. But just as we have learned more about the universe changing our perception of it’s simplicity, we have also learned more about what possibilities exist for a god to ‘exist’ in one way or another. The most obvious is that the universe and god are one (God of the universe), the other three require explaining: god in the universe, god of man, god by man.

My personal issue with this discusion is the human arrogance that we can or must know how a god exists so that we can justify our mythologies and scriptures. Rather than observe the universe god gave us and ‘read his words written in its laws’. For example, while it’s difficult to separate what jesus said from what others said about him, what he said, was both quite simple, and the solution to the hard problem of cooperation at scale (the prisoner’s dilemma problem of social science.).

I don’t have any problem with “I don’t know”. And that’s because I undersetand that the natural law is what not to do, and the example of jesus of nazareth is what to do. As far as I know this is the science – the truth we can testify to – of the laws of the universe applied to human cooperation. And so I have a problem with human religious arrogance in presuming that there are any answers to the will of god other than the natural law and christian love.

That’s my theological mode so to speak. People often presume that I am an atheist (false) or that I cannot discuss theology (false) as well as I can an other subject that requires a test of truth.

I just am not arrogant enough to pretend I know more than I can testify to – and I an testify to the natural law and christian love, and know I testify to the science, which, without reservation, I testify is the will, the hand, and the word of any god that exists.

Even more so if no god exists, other than in the mind of man, then these are the laws of the universe anyway.

The end result is we know the laws of what not to do and what to do. And we need not claim god exists, or we know his will by some other measure than the evidence we have before us that is not the work of man – and man’s tendency to ‘make it up’.