@roger_penrose Ukrainian people claim Ukraine for themselves. We insure their ri

@roger_penrose Ukrainian people claim Ukraine for themselves. We insure their right to self-determination by self-determined means free of imposition of hardship on others, just as we insure our own, and every other we possibly can. Because that is the first right of natural rights, and the foundation necessary for all human rights.

WHether you understand it or not the foundation of our entire civilization and the reason for our continuous rapid evolution faster than all the rest, is our reciprocal insurance of self-determination by self-determined means by sovereignty in demonstrated interest, reciprocity in display word and deed, including truth before face, and duty and loyalty before self. This was developed on the steppe, but first manifested by the greeks, and is a tradition that is 6000 years old.

Ukraine is not special. They have chosen self-determination by self-determined means. And if we wish others to defend their and our self-same right we must defend theirs.