Not sure why you don’t grasp that like libertarians you’re presuming you have th

Not sure why you don’t grasp that like libertarians you’re presuming you have the choice of moral utility or preference independent of externalities that determine its limits. Immorality exists as universally demonstrated behavior, and therefore morality exists as a universal description of human behavior. Like all scientific propositions you may choose to pay the costs and obtain the benefits of bending or violating those laws in order to achieve a utilitarian end. But you will pay those costs. The trade off is just a matter of choice. That does not mean morality is relative between polities any more than it means morality is relative between individuals in a polity. It means morality, moral utility, and moral preference describe a spectrum of from science to applies science.

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